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Old August 27, 2012, 12:24   #1
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762x39 Bolt

I have been thinking alot lately about the usefulness of a 762x39 bolt action rifle. Very cheap to shoot, cast bullets, mild report with mild loads, etc..

A rifle of this type could be loaded in so many ways, and offer great utility. My question is, what would be the most cost effective (cheap) action to build this on?
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Old August 27, 2012, 13:59   #2
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been there done that best course of action purchase a CZ527 in 7.62 X 39, you might be able to do it cheaper but not better. YMMV
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Old August 27, 2012, 14:55   #3
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been there done that best course of action purchase a CZ527 in 7.62 X 39, you might be able to do it cheaper but not better. YMMV
This.

Although the Remington 799 (and Interarms MiniMauser Mark X before that - same gun) was available in 762x39

I've also seen NEF single shots in the caliber, but they disappeared years ago.

You can also convert a Carcano - the bolt face is right, and you can use an Enfield barrel since the 303 chamber is a "long" version of the x39 cartridge - check the gunsmithing forum, theres a guy there doing this conversion now.
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Just over 20 years ago I purchased a Ruger M77 Mark II stainless steel bolt action chambered for the 7.62x39 round. It was one of 5000 made for Davidson's as I recall. It has the Zytel fiberglass stock with wooden inserts in the handguard. These days Ruger calls their stainless and fiberglass rifles "All Weather" models.

I equipped mine with a Bushnell 3x9 variable scope using the supplied Ruger rings. I have shot various US made factory ammo in and a variety of handloads. The Winchester white box USA 123 grain FMJ does 1.5 inch at 100 yards off the benchrest. My best handloaded round uses the Hornady 123 grain JSP over AA#1680. This load does one inch at 100 yards and chrono's just over 2350 fps from the 22 inch barrel.

I bought a RCBS mold for a 130 grain bullet designed for the 7.62x39. I cast up two hundred of them and then heat treated them for extra hardness. Swaged on .30 gaschecks. I really didn't expect much in the way of accuracy but this bullet did better than I expected. It chrono'd at a modest 1800 fps and put five rounds into 2.6 inches at 100 yards. Good enough for inexpensive plinking at clay pigeons set up on the 100 yard berm.

I found that milsurp rounds aren't reliable in the Ruger. The extra hard primers won't detonate without repeated hits. Not important to me. I shoot the milsurp rounds in my SKS and MAK-90....

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Old August 27, 2012, 20:25   #5
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I to have always kept an eye out for a bolt 7.62x39 but havent ran across one yet. On day I think one will find me, mabye one of thoes Ruger all weather models
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Old August 27, 2012, 21:58   #6
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I to have always kept an eye out for a bolt 7.62x39 but havent ran across one yet. On day I think one will find me, mabye one of thoes Ruger all weather models
There are a couple on gunbroker right now... no affiliation, etc. with the auctions
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Old August 27, 2012, 23:08   #7
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Bolt, what th HAIL IS that dang thing, anyway? Don't look like ANYthing I ever seen!
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what is that, kinda looks like a riger but not, fill me in.
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Old August 28, 2012, 09:54   #9
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similar thread a few years back on a bolt action 5.45x39.

I've wanted one in both calibers as a fair test platform for comparing ammo.
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For testing loads for velocity and accuracy I've considered building a large, heavy steel block that I could mount or clamp to a bench with one or more holes in it that I could mount various barrels into.
Maybe even something using 5c collets or a three jaw chuck and as simple a firing mechanism as is possible.
I doubt I'll live long enough to pursue all the ideas I have.
Maybe no one does.

All it takes is money...

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ok, that is a pretty nice daggone rifle, i need to findone,lol...actually just missd one on an auction sit

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I like my Mauser conversion. - uses WASR single stack mags
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For testing loads for velocity and accuracy I've considered building a large, heavy steel block that I could mount or clamp to a bench with one or more holes in it that I could mount various barrels into.
Maybe even something using 5c collets or a three jaw chuck and as simple a firing mechanism as is possible.
I doubt I'll live long enough to pursue all the ideas I have.
Maybe no one does.
How about a Mann Accuracy Device?
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Old August 29, 2012, 19:44   #14
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Zastava made the ones imported as Remington 799, saw a post about them in 22 hornet now being brought in by Century, checked the website, the 762x39 is coming.. unfortunately for me, this means it is time to start saving my nickles the get one
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My question is, what would be the most cost effective (cheap) action to build this on?
Savage if you have a source or have a lathe to make a 7.62x39 barrel. Or a small ring mauser where 7.62x39 barrel is available at around $100. I built 2 small ring 7.62x39 and had one 799 in 7.62x39, sold my 799 and keep my mausers. Want to find a Savage barrel but no one making one in 7.62x39.
For those who are capable on lathe, would you please make a few for us. .308 and .311barrel blanks are quite cheap!
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I have a lathe/end mill despite having tooling and knowledge, would much rather go buy a CZ rifle in the caliber wanted and be shooting it right away. Life is too short.

I wonder if the US and UK gun makers have some kind of restrictions on making commie round rifles and pistols(Tokarev), are they afraid one might do it before them and make a chit pot full O $$$$$ ,, They must not be very good business men or just plain stupid?
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Old September 08, 2012, 11:21   #17
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CZ 527 in x39 as others have said. A nice little carbine, got mine off gunbroker used for $450 with 5 mags
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Old September 08, 2012, 16:30   #18
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somebody sent me a flyer.... century I think .... with the Zastava mini mauser listed in 762x39. check their web site it may be listed on there. one of those with some hand loads using heavy tips meant for 762x54 might really thump as a brush gun.
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I have a 93 Mauser action and a Numrich 7.62 x 39 conversion barrel and mag block at the gunsmith right now. I should have it back any day. I like the WASR single stack mag, might have to look into that. I'll post pics when I get it.

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I have a 93 Mauser action and a Numrich 7.62 x 39 conversion barrel and mag block at the gunsmith right now.
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Old September 10, 2012, 19:02   #21
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I have a 93 Mauser action and a Numrich 7.62 x 39 conversion barrel and mag block at the gunsmith right now. I should have it back any day. I like the WASR single stack mag, might have to look into that. I'll post pics when I get it.

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Interarms use to import the Zastava mini-Mauser in 7.62 x 39 many years ago, I believe.

CZ would be the best bet for a new bolt rifle in 7.62 x 39.
The ones I've handled have been very nice.
No idea how they actually shoot though.
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Is a '93 strong enough for this?
Well, the Mauser M1893 was originally chambered for a full-size 7x57 which according to SAAMI spec has a maximum chamber pressure of 51,000 PSI. Compare this to the 7.62x39 which is rated at 45,000 PSI (assuming it is not being stuffed into an undersized .308" bore).

Personally, I think a Mauser M1893/95 conversion to 7.62x39 would be great fun, and the WASR mag conversion looks especially appealing. Many of them have already been converted to 7.62x51 NATO which is arguably beyond the safety limit the early actions. As a result, downgrading to the smaller cartridge is almost a public service.

I wonder if using a take-off barrel from an Argentine Mauser in 7.65x53 might be the way to go? IIRC, the bore on those is correct at .311" and there are plenty of cheap barrels around from sporterized M1909 Argies. Of course you still get to cut and chamber, but the barrels themselves are almost throw-aways due to the odd caliber (to American tastes).
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CZ would be the best bet for a new bolt rifle in 7.62 x 39.

No idea how they actually shoot though.
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the WASR mag conversion looks especially appealing.
The only problem is the single stack AK mag is getting hard to find!
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OK...I finally got my Mauser back. Here's what we got......





Had it out for function test and it cycled well. Gonna try to get it to the range today to see how she prints.

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The only problem is the single stack AK mag is getting hard to find!
I have one of the CZ527 'Carbine Rifles' in 7.62x39mm, which I'm quite happy with...

Keep in mind that the mags for the CZ527 aren't available at every 711 either, nor are they cheap.

Just sayin'...

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ftierson, a friend of mine has been mulling over the idea of buying one of the CZ 527s in 7.62 x 39.

He hasn't pulled the trigger because he is unsure how it will shoot with current import ammo.
Or, what of it the carbine might actually shoot well and what to stay away from ?

Any input or suggestions ?
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best to load you own, I use Hornady 123 grain v-max with reloader #7 , Winchester case and primers, velocity 2350 fps. groups around a inch from by CZ 527 depending on the day. you will need to do some work on the set trigger to get it right, otherwise great rifle.
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Loading data for an M43 Bolt gun with a .308 bore but raises interesting possibilities of an AR or AK with a .308 bore.

Suggests equal o greater utilty than a .300 AAC? Noveske .300 AAC bbl rechambered to .308 x 39mm?

http://www.accuratereloading.com/76239.html
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Haven't some manufacturers, maybe Ruger ?, actually produced their 7.62 x 39 rifles with .308 barrels ?

And then, how did they work out, and how might they have worked out with .308 bullets instead of .310 ?
If they did it.
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The advantages of 300 AAC Blackout are AR-15 friendliness (due to smaller rim size and less taper) and subsonic and supersonic loads cycling the same semi-auto action. I was under the impression 7.62x39 is actually a very capable cartridge when hand-loaded and fired from a quality rifle.
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Haven't some manufacturers, maybe Ruger ?, actually produced their 7.62 x 39 rifles with .308 barrels ?

And then, how did they work out, and how might they have worked out with .308 bullets instead of .310 ?
If they did it.
The mini-30 did it by having a tapered bore, starting at 311 and going down to 308 at the muzzle. Dunno if they still do that or not, or what teh 77 Mk II did/does.
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With 150 gr bullets the X39 can easily maintain 1k+ ftlbs at 200 meters making it a good clean deer killer at 200 meters as long as you can place your bullets.

Both Speer and Sierra make .310 150s In use the Speer Hot Cors and VVN130 very very accurate in all my AKs.

.308 Bore raises a very interesting possibility with the Hornady 160 gr LEVEREVOLUTION bullet, Boatailed for better velocity retention flatter trajectory as long as you can maintain 1000 ft lbs and place your bullet you've got a useful hunting round, alot cheaper~easier than .300 AAC brass
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Nice lookin Mauser re-do! Especially like that scope mounting job.. so much better, and better looking than the sight-mounted EER scopes. I would imagine it will serve you well. Was the bolt difficult to move out of the way?
Got me wondering how one of the smaller Spanish 93 mausers would do in 7.62X39... the carbines considered too hot for commercial .308 ammo. It would need re-chambering and headspacing? Maybe some adjustment of the extractor and ejector... Any one put any thought or work along these ideas? Thought about it some years ago and dropped it for an SKS....
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The advantages of 300 AAC Blackout are AR-15 friendliness (due to smaller rim size and less taper) and subsonic and supersonic loads cycling the same semi-auto action. I was under the impression 7.62x39 is actually a very capable cartridge when hand-loaded and fired from a quality rifle.
http://www.ebr-inc.net/762x39JackhammerSubsonic.html

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I had the 1893 out to test her legs. First outing was dissapointing, shotgun pattern and the adjustments on the scope were fruitless. Then I discovered the scope was wobbly...My buddy who did the hand guard work had to take the scope off to install. So after tightening and re-zeroing, things worked out much better. The rifle actually shot a group with Barnaul FMJ. I had a 10 shot group that measured about 2-1/2", which was better than the guy next to me with a 760 in .270 Win. Things opened up to about 3-1/2" for the next 20 rounds, but I was running them with no break and the barrel was starting to heat up. Deer season is next week and the Fudds at the range were kind of annoyed at my sending 10 rounds down range to their one. Overall I'm pretty happy. I have what I set out to do which is make a bolt action 7.62 x 39 rifle that is utilitarian and will work if called upon with whatever ammo is available. The other thing that makes me happy is that this receiver was Gunga Din's. I got it as a barrelled action project he was working on after he passed away and it sat lifeless for a number of years. I know he would be happy knowing it was making fire again.

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Congratulations, you did a great job and built a great utilitarian rifle!

If you get around to trying any of the Silver Bear 154 gr. or the CorBon 150 hunters please let us know how they shoot! My personal favorite bullet is the Speer HotCor 150 .310, very accurate bullet, if you handload you may want to find out what they can do in your '93.

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I built 2 small ring 7.62x39 mausers with Numerich barrels. I believe they are 308 bores. Shoot well with Wolf ammo. Had a Remington 799 Mini Mauser in 7.62x39 and it can shoots group size covered by a quarter with Wolf MC Hollow Point at 50 yds. Sold the 799 since my Mausers are not far behind and much cheaper! Mini Mauser parts are hard to find too.
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