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Old August 06, 2018, 09:03   #1
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73 years ago today

73 Years ago today, August 6, 1945:



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Old August 06, 2018, 09:37   #2
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It save the lives of so many American soldiers, who would have died during the invasion and occupation of Japan, that it boggles the mind.

We would have easily lost a million men, like the Germans did at Moscow in one battle.

Without the bombs, Japan would not have surrendered, and it would be a wasteland yet today.

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Old August 06, 2018, 10:00   #3
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The truth is it not only saved American lives, it saved a lot of Japanese lives as well.
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Old August 06, 2018, 10:14   #4
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It saved Japanese lives and Soviet lives. It also put Japan in the US sphere of influence, rather than the Soviet. The US was not going to be able to mount an invasion before the Soviets could take it.
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Old August 06, 2018, 10:58   #5
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Old August 06, 2018, 11:01   #6
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a primary reason that influenced the decision to drop it


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Old August 06, 2018, 13:29   #7
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Whenever folks say something negative about the dropping of Nukes on Japan, I ask if they know what a purple heart is.

Of course, almost everyone does.

Then I remind them that we are STILL handing out the ones minted in preparation for the Invasion of Japan.

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Today's Purple Hearts were first made for the invasion of Japan


Operation Downfall — The Campaign to Conquer Japan Would Have Dwarfed the D-Day Landings
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Old August 06, 2018, 17:00   #8
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How many people on this board would never have been born if their Dads had participated in the conquest of the Japanese homeland?
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Old August 06, 2018, 17:56   #9
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How many people on this board would never have been born if their Dads had participated in the conquest of the Japanese homeland?
Me and all my siblings, as well as all our children and grand children.
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How many people on this board would never have been born if their Dads had participated in the conquest of the Japanese homeland?
My dad was transitioning from B17's to B29's when Hiroshima was nuked.
Most likely, I would not be here at all.
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Today is the 76th for Guadalcanal.
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Today is the 76th for Guadalcanal.
Makes me want to go watch The Pacific tonight.
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Old August 07, 2018, 11:30   #14
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My Dad had just finished B29 gunnery training and was set to embark to Tinian when they pulled the trigger. Needless to say, I'm glad they dropped it.

My understanding is that while the Emperor of Japan was at least considering surrender, ( something a lot of folks use to decry the dropping of the bomb ) by all accounts the Japanese military were having none of that kind of talk. The loss of life on both sides would have been staggering.
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Well, I'd still be alive most likely.

My grandpa was drafted (actually found his card on Ancestery.com which was pretty neat), then sent home to die because he had 'tuberculosis'.

Except it was a misdiagnosis.

So they just scared a few years off of his life instead.
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How many people on this board would never have been born if their Dads had participated in the conquest of the Japanese homeland?
One grandfather was a Marine whose first combat was going to be the invasion of Japan. He plainly told me once that he knew he wouldn't come back. Yup would have left a wife and 3 daughters behind, and my mom hadn't come along yet.
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Old August 08, 2018, 00:57   #17
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How many people on this board would never have been born if their Dads had participated in the conquest of the Japanese homeland?
I am one of those kids as are my brother and sister, three of us. All turned out pretty good, me in the end.
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As others have stated, few people today realize how many JAPANESE lives were saved by the early ending of the war. Look at Okinawa and how the battle ended for the civilians and translate that to the Japanese homeland. Millions.

Wonder how many Japanese would not have been born if their parents would have been forced into the defense of their homeland?
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Since I brought it up, I should mention why I probably would have been okay. My Dad was 30 years old and a captain by V-E Day. He was a German speaker and had been his battalion's S2. After that, he was kept busy interviewing POWs - everyone from the lowest soldaten thru some of the lower general officer ranks - all with an eye and ear to figure out who might be a Nazi worthy of a higher level of interest. He finally ended up in the Sudetenland before being repatriated in early 1946.

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Wonder how many Japanese would not have been born if their parents would have been forced into the defense of their homeland?
Excellent point and one I was remiss in not acknowledging, too.
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Old August 09, 2018, 16:59   #20
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Old August 09, 2018, 18:09   #21
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Took two for the message to sink in; but in the long run, many more lives were saved than lost.

RIP to all who lost their lives in WWII.
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Old August 09, 2018, 18:33   #23
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How many people on this board would never have been born if their Dads had participated in the conquest of the Japanese homeland?
I would have. Both grandfathers saw their kid for the first time after returning.

But your point is well taken.

Just remind anti Hiroshima fruits that two bombs saved a million JAPANESE lives.
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Old August 09, 2018, 20:59   #24
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How many people on this board would never have been born if their Dads had participated in the conquest of the Japanese homeland?
It is interesting to ponder. Dad was stationed in the Pacific Theater. I honestly don't know when he mustered out. Supposedly the Army's records of his service (and a lot of other people) were destroyed so I guess I will never know.
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The data, if anyone is interested:

Hiroshima (Little Boy):
Uranium 235 gun type (previously untested)
Yield: 15 Kiloton
Airburst at 1,870 feet
Detonated at 8:16 local time
Casualties: 90,000-146,000
Population: 330,000


Nagasaki (Fat Man):
Plutonium implosion type (Same as Trinity test device “Gadget”)
Yeild: 21 Kilotons
Airburst at 1,968 feet
Detonated at 11:02 local time
Casualties: 39,000-80,000
Population: 250,000
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