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Old June 18, 2017, 22:51   #51
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You know, the scenarios you are describing are not worldwide. If you are so concerned about computers, get them from a country that was not affected and move on.

Unless it is a solar-based event, EMPs will be localized.
I think most of us were speaking about a natural event, a world wide event.

But, it does give me pause to think or believe that if we, just the USA were hit by a few man made EMP's how fast the world world left unaffected would be to come to our aid?

When the man said we're only 9 meals away from anarchy, he was foretelling the future.

Once anarchy takes hold, look at Hugo Chavez's old country, people starving in the streets today, don;t see a lot of countries rushing in to provide aide or put a stop to it.

One thing about being the most powerful country on earth, can think of 20 that would like to see us replaced, so why offer assistance at all???
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Old June 18, 2017, 23:05   #52
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If that thing lets go in my lifetime, my lifetime will be cut short, not that I got more in front than behind me!

Read somewhere, we here in southern AZ, what a 1000 miles from that caldera, would be under a foot of ash???

It ever blows, I would need to give up smoking, that's for damn sure.
I've picked up debris from last time down in Raton at Whittington.

Then again, there's been volcanic activity down in the Raton area a lot more recently than the last big Yellowstone event.

When Yellowstone blows again like the last big one, pretty much everything west of the Mississippi is toast...

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Old June 18, 2017, 23:26   #53
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I've picked up debris from last time down in Raton at Whittington.

Then again, there's been volcanic activity down in the Raton area a lot more recently than the last big Yellowstone event.

When Yellowstone blows again like the last big one, pretty much everything west of the Mississippi is toast...

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Just noticed you're in Colorado Springs, a whole lot closer than I am to Yellowstone.
If it were to blow, not sure I'd even bother hitting the road.
Somethings are so big, ya just can't outrun them.
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Old June 19, 2017, 15:29   #54
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Will, everything you say above it completely and 100% true.

"It was done before without computers, why not again?"

Short answer, panic and complete breakdown in society as we know it today.

We are on a "just in time delivery" system to supply for all needs to 320,000,000 people.

Anything that breaks that fragile chain, anything at all, will kill off ??? 300,000,000 of our people within 12 months, maybe less.

People of the past did everything you mentioned above, but they did it all in times of relative peace and stability, without having to introduce a totally NEW system from the ground up, all the while millions are dead daily from lack of water, medical care, food stuffs.

We have the talent to pull off a return to the past without computers, but human beings will not stand by and die in place while it was being put into place.

New Orleans was a perfect example of what everyday human beings will be like when the power and everything that makes up normal society goes away overnight.

If what happened in New Orleans hits nation wide, game over.
If what happened in New Orleans hit the whole of the East coast, our major population center, game over.
If we loose the West Coast, California, Oregon, Washington state, we might be able to hold on long enough where it all does not go ten toes up, but the financial hit will ruin this country for lifetimes.

We're not that well prepared to handle the destruction of one major population center, like NYC or Chicago, anything hits a dozen or more at one time, game over.
I don't dispute there'd be a massive loss of life and/or a severe period of incredible hardship, be it the "big one" earthquake on the west coast, which will happen eventually. Or there being a nationwide event, a massive loss of life for the reasons you've stated here.
However I don't think it'd be the end of the country in terms of wiping out the population entirely, "..game over.." as you put it, if that is your position.
I do believe there would be portions of the country literally achieving such a condition, but not the entire country.
It is undeniable there'd be a massive upheaval for however long a period of time, however at some point people would have the desire to rebuild some kind've life again, and there would be enough to build on.
That is simple human nature and people would do so.
Criminals and/or predatory types would exist for a while but it wouldn't take long for that to change. No more of the current legal system hanging over a law-abiding individuals life? Welcome to the old west and bonafide immediate justice. Peoples behavior would change very quickly.
If there were a nationwide event, emp most likely, I suspect life in this country would, when people begin to start over, go back to a very localized level of living such as existed up until about the 1950's.
I suspect the massive loss of life might be one of the things which makes it possible for a resurgence on a local level possible.
There would be likely enough salvageable things left within the depopulated areas such that it would allow those areas that have survived to continue on rebuilding while still relying on salvaged items to just keep going.
Drinkable water, how much HTH pool chlorine will be laying around in empty stores? Quite a bit, nobody in those areas to either use it or know how to use it. Salvage that out of the area and it is easy to use for water purification.
I used HTH pool chlorine to "tune" the chlorine level in the storage tanks when I worked municipal water. Nope, no computers, did the math manually, used a metal coffee can to measure out how much chlorine I needed in the tank & broadcast it into the tank with the coffee can. Very high tech.......
I admit there will be a curve life will have to get past in order to rebuild but I do think the massive loss of life will be a blessing in disguise.
This should NOT be confused with the notion of thinking those people deserve to die so things can be "rebuilt" or "restoration" of proper law or such.
I do not hold to such a view and this should not be construed as such.
There is one thing which I think might be the major killer in the face of people rebuilding a life, simple economics.
Clean, safe, water & reliable electricity, those two things are the major building blocks of modern life. Without those, life as we know it today would not exist as it does.
It is possible there'd be enough technical know-how to get things moving again, first on an improvized level, then on a permanent level.
However water & electricity as provided now are a service, they are not free.
Fuel for power generation costs money, electricity for water treatment and pumping costs money.
How would people pay thier water & electric bill or how would those entities generate a return for themselves in order to keep functioning?
Diesel fuel for RR locomotives to run things? A good improvizational idea and it would work. However at some point oil has to be procured to refine more diesel or what oil is immediately leftover runs out.
If there were a nation-wide event, there will be no money, nobody will have any. A nationwide event, emp? The dollar as it exists will be destroyed and nobody will be coming to the rescue.
No money to purchase oil, either domestically or overseas.
A massive earthquake on the west coast would be a terrible event, but it would not take the country down, the country would take a hit but keep going.
It is the national level event, with the destruction of the dollar and no means to restart economically, which might be the real killer.
Given human nature, I suspect gold & silver jewelry, or silverware, alongside bartering might become an improvised money and a functioning economy start from that point.
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Old June 19, 2017, 16:09   #55
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Wil, we have the know how to rebuild anything and everything.

When Anarchy and Chaos takes over on a grand scale, very little if anything will get done on a large scale to rebuild anything.

My "game over" comment, was not meant to imply loss of ALL life, humans are resilient to the extreme, but more so, as we all know life today.

We'd have a little enclave here, there would be more around the country, and as time goes by, these little enclaves would be linked together and a generation or two or three later, things would begin to improve, maybe, I hope, and pray.

If or when anything goes off, still plan to hunker down, get real hard and mean, with plan to come out the other side upright.
I pray I never see any of it ever occur.
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