Soft Point 7.62 X 51 RADWAY GREEN

**MK ULTRA** · January 13, 2013, 17:16

Anyone ever seen any soft point 7.62 X 51 radway green on strippers in bandolers. I have some I got like that awhile back.

Anyone know the history?

I'll have to check but I think it has the NATO cross. SP would not be legal for battle would it?? Suppose to use FMJ in battle.

thanks

ammolab · January 14, 2013, 19:15

Hirtenburger (a Radway Green Contract supplier) loaded some Soft Points in GI Brass in the 1980s or so. These were brought into the US and other places... from European Police Stocks most likely.

This ammo was in 20rd boxes so someone could have put the rounds on strippers. Of course someone could have pulled GI bullets and replaced them with some soft point ones.

JasonB · January 14, 2013, 21:02

Think it is just Radway Green that someone figured out a way to crack a little of the copper tip off(it looked about the same as Norinco 7.62x39 "soft points") to expose the lead to deceive customers due to HP being a more recognizeable name than RG. The stuff I bought had a piss poor Hirtenberger knock off label on it that when peeled off carefully would expose the original marking which indicated it was L2A2. Or at least that was the berdan variant since there was also (according to adds selling the HP "hunting ammo") a boxer type they were peddling.

**LAFAL** · January 16, 2013, 12:36

All my .308 hunting ammo is RG that's had the 150gr FMJBT removed and a Hornady BTSP set on it and recrimped.

**MajHenryWest** · January 20, 2013, 15:12

As for a knock off label, was that the stuff packed in 20rd Military brown cardboard boxes with a red label with "Hirtenberger Patronen 150gr Softpoint" and the HP in circle logo on it?

I still have some of it somewhere, I think.

JasonB · January 20, 2013, 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by MajHenryWest

As for a knock off label, was that the stuff packed in 20rd Military brown cardboard boxes with a red label with "Hirtenberger Patronen 150gr Softpoint" and the HP in circle logo on it?

I still have some of it somewhere, I think.

Can't recall the color, but the wording and logo sound right. And it was of very poor quality....kind of a copy of a copy look to it. At the time I thought it was just a Euro thing vs. slick US commercial packaging.

yovinny · January 20, 2013, 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by MajHenryWest

As for a knock off label, was that the stuff packed in 20rd Military brown cardboard boxes with a red label with "Hirtenberger Patronen 150gr Softpoint" and the HP in circle logo on it?

I still have some of it somewhere, I think.

I had some of that, and it was HOT,,or their primers sucked.
It would produce flattened, pierced primers at the rate of about 4-6 rds per box.
When every other ammo worked fine and firing pin protrusion was spot on.

January 13, 2013, 17:16	#1
MK ULTRA Curio & Relic Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 2382 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 3,249	Soft Point 7.62 X 51 RADWAY GREEN Anyone ever seen any soft point 7.62 X 51 radway green on strippers in bandolers. I have some I got like that awhile back. Anyone know the history? I'll have to check but I think it has the NATO cross. SP would not be legal for battle would it?? Suppose to use FMJ in battle. thanks __________________ O $HIT MK ULTRA.....OUT..... They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin, Statesman and Inventor: 1759 Improvise, Adapt, Overcome..... Last edited by MK ULTRA; January 13, 2013 at 21:32.

January 14, 2013, 21:02	#3
JasonB Registered FALaholic #: 7430 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 90° N 0° W Posts: 9,282	Think it is just Radway Green that someone figured out a way to crack a little of the copper tip off(it looked about the same as Norinco 7.62x39 "soft points") to expose the lead to deceive customers due to HP being a more recognizeable name than RG. The stuff I bought had a piss poor Hirtenberger knock off label on it that when peeled off carefully would expose the original marking which indicated it was L2A2. Or at least that was the berdan variant since there was also (according to adds selling the HP "hunting ammo") a boxer type they were peddling. __________________ On Romney's being anti-gun.."If Barney Frank ran for president, I wouldn't need him to tell me in a debate that he'd still be gay if elected."-Shlomo

January 16, 2013, 12:36	#4
LAFAL Veteran Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 85 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Pineville, LA Posts: 1,848	All my .308 hunting ammo is RG that's had the 150gr FMJBT removed and a Hornady BTSP set on it and recrimped. __________________ -to AR is human. to FAL is divine!

January 20, 2013, 15:12	#5
MajHenryWest Senior Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 11906 Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 656	As for a knock off label, was that the stuff packed in 20rd Military brown cardboard boxes with a red label with "Hirtenberger Patronen 150gr Softpoint" and the HP in circle logo on it? I still have some of it somewhere, I think. __________________ ****************************** "Steel is Strong because it Knows the Hammer and White Heat." - Johnny Cash, These Things Shall Pass

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January 14, 2013, 19:15	#2
ammolab Registered FALaholic #: 10923 Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,690	Hirtenburger (a Radway Green Contract supplier) loaded some Soft Points in GI Brass in the 1980s or so. These were brought into the US and other places... from European Police Stocks most likely. This ammo was in 20rd boxes so someone could have put the rounds on strippers. Of course someone could have pulled GI bullets and replaced them with some soft point ones.