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Old April 03, 2018, 06:28   #1
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HAC 7 Up for Sale

This isn't mine, but a local FFL's here in MA. Kind of a rare bird. Test fired only and has all of the accessories with it. Too spendy for me at $4K, but if you ever wanted one, this may be a good specimen.

https://www.northeastshooters.com/xe...-rifle.334136/

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Old April 03, 2018, 06:33   #2
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Old April 03, 2018, 07:02   #3
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Kinda cool rifles but nearly every one I’ve ever encountered was way over-valued by the seller on the assumption that rarity automatically means value. The one nwobhm linked is obviously more realistic.
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Old April 03, 2018, 07:32   #4
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I like the folder. Its like a cool, dystopian SCAR17.
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Old April 03, 2018, 08:23   #5
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While an interesting design, it was never fully worked out and suffers from many flaws. Like many new designs, only testing and lots of shooting will ever make a reliable gun. This one was not that gun.
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Actually, the one linked to was way underpriced. That's why it sold in a day with Buy Now. If it hadn't had that option it would have passed 3k easily. Not the greatest rifle in the world but it is more rare than you think. I don't remember total production and don't feel like looking it up, but want to guess around 300,....and I know one guy in WV who owns more than half of them. That doesn't leave too many available.
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Old April 03, 2018, 10:56   #7
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You can keep it.
I paid less that $4k for BOTH of these.
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Old April 03, 2018, 12:08   #8
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I had two of the HAC7 carbines. Neither one worked very well. Sold 'em a long time ago.
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Actually, the one linked to was way underpriced. That's why it sold in a day with Buy Now. If it hadn't had that option it would have passed 3k easily. Not the greatest rifle in the world but it is more rare than you think. I don't remember total production and don't feel like looking it up, but want to guess around 300,....and I know one guy in WV who owns more than half of them. That doesn't leave too many available.
Way under priced or properly priced?

Bidders:

marioc11 A+(35)
WAMCollection A+(21)
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8 people were involved in bidding on that rifle. 7 of them must not have thought it was going to hit $2,000.
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Way under priced. You can't tell anything from a 7 day listing that ended in a day. Seven bidders tried to steal it until the eighth bidder did. People will throw a low bid on almost anything. I swear if you auctioned a hundred dollar bill and opened it at a penny with a BN of $50 you'd see the exact same thing. I'm constantly buying items on GB with absurdly low BN prices and there are usually a whole list of people bidding on it.

I looked at the bidder list before posting. First thing I noticed was that the winning bidder is an FFL,......wanna bet he flips it for a hefty profit? There's some room there between the $2k that he paid and the $5k for the one on there now.
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Old April 18, 2018, 23:49   #11
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Buying something for 30-40% less than the going rate on a buy it now when others are bidding on it makes me giggle every time.

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Looking at the Forgotten Weapons video of this now, I'm not so sure I like it. That side cover held on with two flimsy tubular rivets is pretty lame.
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Old April 19, 2018, 07:48   #13
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You can keep it.
I paid less that $4k for BOTH of these.

That's, what I'm talking about!!!!
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Old April 19, 2018, 09:53   #14
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Might be misremembering, but I seem to recall Peter Kokalis liked the HAC in an SOF article he wrote ? Not that that is saying much, even if I am remembering correctly.
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Well regardless of whether this thing sold for too much or too little or its a great design or a poor design...I got to learn something new today. I had no idea such a thing existed and what little history there is out there about this is pretty interesting. a by-gone era for sure. I enjoy learning about things like this that were going on while I was growing up around firearms but that I knew absolutely nothing about. Kind of reminds me of the history I read about Interarms a while back. So much went on that I was unaware of.
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Old April 20, 2018, 19:16   #16
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Here is some great info and a full scan of the original Firepower magazine interview:

http://aftermathgunclub.com/2014/01/...olloway-hac-7/

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Old April 20, 2018, 19:26   #17
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Very cool read- thanks for posting this up Bubacus
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Old April 22, 2018, 09:51   #18
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I paid less that $4k for BOTH of these.
Hmm, I remember the Galil 7.62 being available in 1984, but not the SCAR. And in 1984, the 7.62 Galil cost more than a HAC-7. And 7.62 Galil mags were even more scarce than HAC-7 mags. For that matter, they still are.

I was really pulling for the HAC-7 to sort out it's problems. Sadly, the company folded before they got it really ready for prime time.

I can't see anyone today actually planning on relying on either the HAC-7 or 7.62 Galil as a primary weapon. In the US, they are both really collector's items. Eventually, even my beloved FALs will end up in that category.
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Hmm, I remember the Galil 7.62 being available in 1984, but not the SCAR. And in 1984, the 7.62 Galil cost more than a HAC-7. And 7.62 Galil mags were even more scarce than HAC-7 mags. For that matter, they still are.

I was really pulling for the HAC-7 to sort out it's problems. Sadly, the company folded before they got it really ready for prime time.

I can't see anyone today actually planning on relying on either the HAC-7 or 7.62 Galil as a primary weapon. In the US, they are both really collector's items. Eventually, even my beloved FALs will end up in that category.
The SCAR was not available in 84.
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Regardless of the pros/cons of the HAC-7 or SCAR, it is hard to beat a 7.62 Galil ARM for cool factor IMO.
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Regardless of the pros/cons of the HAC-7 or SCAR, it is hard to beat a 7.62 Galil ARM for cool factor IMO.
Hear, hear !!!

I've owned a couple in both calibers and always liked them. As my need for optics increased, the Galils got sold as they are not particularly easy to put a good, practical scope mount on. The mounts I tried were always way high. Great rifles, though !
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I'd love to see a version of the HAC-7 with all of the kinks ironed out. Seems like a very well-thought-out rifle, and it's certainly unique.
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Looks like a FAL that had an orgy with a Galil, HK, Armalite and a VZ58
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There were only 300 HAC7s built. A number of those were left handed.
I do not know why Bob Holloway stopped production of these rarities.
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Looks like a FAL that had an orgy with a Galil, HK, Armalite and a VZ58
Holloway took what he considered the best of several rifles and put those features into one.
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There were only 300 HAC7s built. A number of those were left handed.
I do not know why Bob Holloway stopped production of these rarities.
The usual reasons: lack of funding and poor sales. Most small business fail in their first two years for lack of funding, inadequate cash flow and several similar reasons. When I worked at LWRC, I learned several valuable lessons about business in general and the gun business in particular. The very first is that you need at least 6 to 12 months of operating funding in hand prior to starting. Without that, you are screwed and will have an uphill fight to be successful, especially if you are in manufacturing.

I was fortunate to attend an industry conference in Richmond VA with many major players from Colt, Picatinny and other groups on the future of small arms acquisition. Many speakers were very interesting including Reed Knight Jr. Knight stated "I don't think you really know everything about the guns you make until you've made at least a thousand of them." At the time, I was pretty arrogant and thought "hah, we know all there is to know about our guns."

However, moving from a boutique manufacturer of maybe 300 guns per year to 1000 guns a month soon illuminated issues with LWRC International (the successors to the company I worked for) rifles that proved Reed Knight to be right. You can make one of anything that will work; production is entirely different.
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There were only 300 HAC7s built. A number of those were left handed.
I do not know why Bob Holloway stopped production of these rarities.
Ian at Forgotten Weapons did an excellent video on this rifle. There were a few teething and durability issues with it, which could have been fixed had production not folded.
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Speaking of Ian:



They Also have a Registry for the HAC-7 at http://hollowayarms.com/

BiggerHammer.net message board has been slow on these for years, but if you are interested in checking out the owners manual and lots of pics:

http://www.biggerhammer.net/hac7/
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I remember the HAC-7 very well.. a buddy and myself were involved in a personal arms-race at the time they came out... we came close to droppin the dollars for a couple of them but for whatever reason shelved the idea and bought a passel of Mitchell Arms Yugo AK's instead. Glad we did, the HAC-7 never came close to living up to the hype in the firearms media of the time. The HAC was alas another fallen by the wayside "almost-was" American firearm. The Mitchell Yugos on the other hand have given trouble-free service for the last 30+ years. What the Yugos didnt accomplish was filled in by M1A's, FALs and H&K...
It has been a good time to enjoy firearms in America.. and for those just coming on to the firearms scene, may your journeys be as free and varied as we have enjoyed!
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I agree, but I feel that we are teetering on the end of the golden age of firearms in the US. I actually feel like we have had two golden ages: The 70's, 80's, & early 90's gave us the likes of Galils, FNCs, HKs, FALs, SIG 550s, Valmets, Daewoos, AKs, Beretta AR 70s, AUGs, Uzis, etc. That age ended with the '89 and '94 bans. The second golden age started some time around 2000 and has much less variety but I think it has a much larger following. This second golden age is centered around ARs, AKs, and a few other varieties adding some spice like the SCARs, Tavors, Galil Aces, CZ Bren, Beretta, etc.

With the current push by the left it feels like this could all come to an end, again. And this time it would probably be permanent. All of my favorite firearms are a result of that first golden age. So much rich history behind all of those cold war service rifles. That period and those firearms will always be THE golden era for me.
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I agree, but I feel that we are teetering on the end of the golden age of firearms in the US. I actually feel like we have had two golden ages: The 70's, 80's, & early 90's gave us the likes of Galils, FNCs, HKs, FALs, SIG 550s, Valmets, Daewoos, AKs, Beretta AR 70s, AUGs, Uzis, etc. That age ended with the '89 and '94 bans. The second golden age started some time around 2000 and has much less variety but I think it has a much larger following. This second golden age is centered around ARs, AKs, and a few other varieties adding some spice like the SCARs, Tavors, Galil Aces, CZ Bren, Beretta, etc.

With the current push by the left it feels like this could all come to an end, again. And this time it would probably be permanent. All of my favorite firearms are a result of that first golden age. So much rich history behind all of those cold war service rifles. That period and those firearms will always be THE golden era for me.
As to the "second golden age," that you speak of, I feel like it began in 2004-05 with the sunset of the '94 Clinton-era ban. And I agree, much less variety by comparison but def good if you're a newbie to the hobby.
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One of the best things to come out of the ban era was the Robinson M96. It was a victim of cirumstance and poor support. I think that if Robinson was to make a run at these today, they would be quite popular.
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