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Old October 14, 2018, 19:33   #1
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Red face Hurricane Michael Looter Shot, Killed Trying to Steal LEO Vehicle

The old saying "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" just doesn't seem to cathartic enough. This idiot survived the hurricane and his first thought was to steal a police vehicle? Seriously?!


Would-be looter in Hurricane Michael-ravaged Florida shot, killed after trying to steal law enforcement vehicle: report
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Old October 14, 2018, 21:25   #2
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Is it legal to shoot someone for stealing your car in Florida?

Or is this a case of police get special rights?
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Old October 14, 2018, 21:46   #3
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Don't matter for him any longer, does it?

One less low-life we have to endure . . .

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Old October 14, 2018, 23:28   #4
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Old October 15, 2018, 11:39   #5
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amazing how stupid people are .......
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Old October 15, 2018, 13:46   #6
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Some might say that the only good looter is a dead looter. Of course the BLM bunch would strongly disagree with that. After all, the hurricane was Trump's fault. They heard that on CNN....

And so it goes.


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Old October 15, 2018, 14:43   #7
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Looters should be open season. Or have a bounty.
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Old October 15, 2018, 15:44   #8
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Looters should be open season. Or have a bounty.
$5.00 per cut off nose bounty, salt heavily send in for payment

3-S policy on remainder of looter (Shoot, Shovel, Shutup)
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Old October 15, 2018, 21:57   #9
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Looting in Texas is a serious crime punishable by instant death. If a looter gets caught
by the cops it’s usually a 2 to 20.....somewhat better than the death penalty.
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Old October 16, 2018, 07:55   #10
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$5.00 per cut off nose bounty, salt heavily send in for payment
Only $5? That doesn't even begin to cover the chainsaw maintenance, Cheapskate.
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Old October 16, 2018, 08:28   #11
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Is it legal to shoot someone for stealing your car in Florida?

Or is this a case of police get special rights?
If you want to get technical it was a fire marshal that now has to bear the burden of shooting and killing a poor innocent looter.
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Old October 16, 2018, 08:36   #12
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Yeah, I'm kindof confused here too.

Seems like a cop executed a guy stealing a car.

Now I'm not opposed to this, but it doesn't seem to fall under Stand Your Ground, and I am not aware of any jurisdiction that allows lethal force to protect property.

So I'm expecting the cop will be rightfully charged with 2nd degree murder, just like any of his fellow citizens would be under the same circumstances.

As to the guy allegedly saying "I'm looting" as he attempted GTA, I find that curious.

I could see him saying "I'm stealing this muthafrucking cah, yo!"

But "I'm looting" sounds to me like something invented after the fact to change the nature of GTA to something it is obviously not. Perhaps something with different ROE?
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Old October 16, 2018, 08:49   #13
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When did stealing become acceptable? Execution is a strong term. What we have here is a partial statement by a witness that seemingly did not witness the events in their entirety. Generally i think of thieves as bad and firemen as good. Unfortunately the world is not straight up and down or black and white. What we have here is a bit more then a touch of gray and some lateral movement.
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Old October 16, 2018, 09:18   #14
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When did stealing become acceptable?
When did anyone here say it was?

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Execution is a strong term.
And the term that most accurately describes events, as derived from the article.

If there is a better term for point-blank shooting of a presumably unarmed man (if he was armed, that would have led), who was not threatening anyone - I'd like to know what it is.

If the car thief had pulled a gun on the cop, I would not have used it. Nor would I have used second degree murder. The words I chose were not random.

Whether it should be public policy to execute thieves, is not the question. The question is, would any other citizen be justified in shooting a non violent car thief? Tennessee v Gardner and whatnot.

Under 776.031 (stand ground), deadly force can only be used under reasonably belief of a forceable felony against a person; or to prevent tresspass. Tresspass is a little hinkey on "real property other than a dwelling or personal property"

I suspect the distinction was made as some live on boats, or in an RV. But I think this is a little poorly written to include a car that is not a dwelling, and an attempt to use this as an affirmative defense would be interesting.

Now a fire marshal, is a "cop" I believe, and has arrest power. Does he have a duty to protect property of another agency?
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When did anyone here say it was?



And the term that most accurately describes events, as derived from the article.

If there is a better term for point-blank shooting of a presumably unarmed man (if he was armed, that would have led), who was not threatening anyone - I'd like to know what it is.

If the car thief had pulled a gun on the cop, I would not have used it. Nor would I have used second degree murder. The words I chose were not random.

Whether it should be public policy to execute thieves, is not the question. The question is, would any other citizen be justified in shooting a non violent car thief? Tennessee v Gardner and whatnot.
I apologize if i lost something in your translation. Owning a shop, having thousands of dollars of tools stolen despite having dogs and locks leave me biased. You would hate thievery and be biased if your customers property was stolen and damaged beyond repair. Your a gentleman and I want no quarrels with you. The fact is my shop was here and I was here before a section 8 zoo was installed behind my business with my tax dollars that i bled and sweat to earn. So if I am harsh it perhaps it is because I am postjusticed by my life experience.
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You would hate thievery and be biased if your customers property was stolen and damaged beyond repair.
Dude - for the third time, I am not debating whether thieves SHOULD be shot.

I am inquiring if the actions of the citizen with a badge, will be treated differently than the same actions if done by a citizen without a badge.

This is important because the citizen with the fire marshal badge, was delegated that badge by his fellow citizens. As one cannot delegate a power one does not possesses, the lawfulness of the execution is not dependent on the possession of the badge. So will it be treated differently?
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Old October 16, 2018, 10:18   #17
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Apparently god deemed the vehicle more valuable then some idiot thieve's life. The points you make are valid. Like I stated before I have a hard time placing any value in thieving human garbage. Badge or no badge. We are all independent citizens in the end when we meet our maker. Were his rights violated? I have a difficult time discerning. Perhaps it is a flaw on my behalf. I don't steal or wear a badge. From the outside looking in it is complex to me. I apologize if I offend. It is not my intent. From what is being reported, little bits and pieces of an individual who did not witness the entire event it is difficult for me to draw a fair conclusion. The fact is this just might be one we disagree on based on entirely different viewpoints. I still hold you in high regard and value your strong points on this topic.
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The thief "aimed" the vehicle at the cop... famous Southpark.... hes coming right at me!

Or the typical...cop grabs/touched vehicle..."fear of GBI-death- so the bang stick comes out to breath copper breath.

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Old October 17, 2018, 10:20   #19
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Bottom line. The looter’s life o’ crime is over, permanently. The Fire Marshal’s life, as he once knew it, is over, too.
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