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Old November 20, 2012, 19:15   #1
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According to the ATF airsoft "guns" can be converted to machine guns

Dunno if I should laugh or be scared.
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Old November 20, 2012, 19:42   #2
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I can convert yer' car axle into a cannon. What's yer' point?
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Old November 20, 2012, 19:52   #3
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I can convert yer' car axle into a cannon. What's yer' point?
I'm going to assume your being facetious. I have made a couple very small cannons myself.
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Old November 20, 2012, 21:19   #4
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I think I'm going to get some airsoft guns. I'll do the first mag dump and he can do the rest......I'll watch. From behind cover....

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I think that video came out a couple years ago.. Just as stupid as the recent articles about printing an entire machine gun on a 3D printer lately.
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Old November 20, 2012, 23:26   #7
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Well it wouldn't be hard to do.

Heck making machineguns (at least in a pistol caliber) would be stupid easy.

now semi-autos...that gets tricky.
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Old November 21, 2012, 02:03   #8
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Well it wouldn't be hard to do.

Heck making machineguns (at least in a pistol caliber) would be stupid easy.

now semi-autos...that gets tricky.
Something about a fixed firing pin?
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Old November 21, 2012, 03:11   #9
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Old November 21, 2012, 12:57   #10
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the part that worries me is that they "sad" they can easily be converted into military grade hardware, now i know some of what we have isent the best but on par with a plastic airsoft gun???
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Old November 21, 2012, 13:37   #11
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What I would like to know is, does that nitwit still have his job and if so why?
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Old November 21, 2012, 14:31   #12
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Some airsoft AK's were made and imported into the US and Canada with real 3 hole AK receivers(till the batfuggers caught on). If you had one, it will be a very easy kit built...
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Old November 21, 2012, 18:45   #13
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They never cease to amaze me.
I'd love to hear what became of this?

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Old November 21, 2012, 21:22   #14
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They never cease to amaze me.
I'd love to hear what became of this?

Just WOW!
I would assume he was immediately terminated......how could they not?
I'm sure affirmative blaction kept him safe thou.
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Old November 21, 2012, 21:25   #15
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Whats next? Nail guns with a 200 round belt? FA staple guns? I'm sorry sir but you will need to fill out this form and pass a background check to purchase this Nail gun.
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Maybe I should find the local ATF agent and ask to register my golf ball cannon.
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And why haven't they confiscated every airsoft in the USA and why didn't they confiscate all the airsofts the store owner had on the shelves?

Because there was red paint on the end of the barrel?

So if that's the logic paint the end of the barrel red and then you can have a gun that's readily convertible to a machine gun?

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Old November 22, 2012, 00:54   #18
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I do understand that chairsoft is a massive headache for LE and frankly I'm surprised more people don't end up getting drawn on and shot by LE.
I was up in the woods on BLM a few years ago and ran into a chairsoft guy all camo'd out lurking alongside the road with an A4 replica.......not very fkn smart.
If my kid were to take up airsoft I would be explicitly clear that he NEVER play around in an area where he could be mistaken by LE.
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I do understand that chairsoft is a massive headache for LE and frankly I'm surprised more people don't end up getting drawn on and shot by LE.
I was up in the woods on BLM a few years ago and ran into a chairsoft guy all camo'd out lurking alongside the road with an A4 replica.......not very fkn smart.
If my kid were to take up airsoft I would be explicitly clear that he NEVER play around in an area where he could be mistaken by LE.
What happens when everyone paints the Flash Suppressor orange on their
'real' AR's.
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Old November 23, 2012, 10:16   #20
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What happens when everyone paints the Flash Suppressor orange on their
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They way the gov. thinks, they can be easily converted to airsoft- military grade airsoft.
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Something about a fixed firing pin?
It's not so much the firing pins, although fixed firing pins are easier in some ways. They do add some issues though with timing.

The reason semi-autos are a pain is you now have to design an escapement, and that introduces all sorts of fun timing issues to play with.


Now that you mention it, I am also surprised we don't hear about more airsoft guys getting detained/drawn on/shot. Maybe the LEO are more tolerant than many of us think.
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Someone in the Obama admin does not like paintball guns or airsoft guns........promotes warlike, "wrong thinking habits,"

.............and then the fun training ops with the other miscreants, that create mental muscle memory, just like real military AIT.........can't have that shit now can we................ Reenactors are next....... actually should be!!!

I spent last sat nite with some civil war guys who had recently dressed up an Indians at the Ft Ligonier Days.........sick sick men............

They keep trying to take the boy out of the man.........not gonna work.

Nothing like opening up on someone with an Airsoft SAW..........
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Nothing like opening up on someone with an Airsoft SAW..........
A real 249 or 240..........
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Old November 23, 2012, 14:41   #24
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good thing they don't make fanner fifties or the Nichols cap guns anymore!!
they'd need to hire another 100,000 agents or so.
thats it, thats it, CREATE more JOBS!!
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Now that you mention it, I am also surprised we don't hear about more airsoft guys getting detained/drawn on/shot. Maybe the LEO are more tolerant than many of us think.
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There are a bunch of videos of people converting airsoft guns by switching out the bolt and getting a magazine for real ammo. Videos of these kids shooting them too.

Legit or not, you wouldn't catch me squeezing the trigger on one of those.

Live rounds through toys? No sir

When some kid gets his face blown off by a toy AK or G3... oh man is it gonna be a shit storm
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There are a bunch of videos of people converting airsoft guns by switching out the bolt and getting a magazine for real ammo. Videos of these kids shooting them too.

Legit or not, you wouldn't catch me squeezing the trigger on one of those.

Live rounds through toys? No sir

When some kid gets his face blown off by a toy AK or G3... oh man is it gonna be a shit storm
Can't find any videos on youtube of said conversions just fake shitt.......linky?
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pretty much all of it is fake. Thats why I was saying legit or not. I wasn't too sure to begin with because I've never even touched an airsoft gun. Before I read the video info for this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K33TX-vthUI, I was just sitting here watching hoping like hell it was a joke.

finding it again to post this I read it and confirmed my hopes.
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Well you guys know that we do have a Machine Gun Ban in place. I don't like MG ban either, but since it is in place, the Feds have to do their jobs.

This video is a couple of years old, and I looked more into it awhile back. What happened was an Airsoft Dealer got a very nice shipment of his gun seized by the ATF, and he wanted someone to pay him back for lost revenue. I forgot the amount, but I think it was close to $100,000.

Supposedly, the lowers on these Air Soft guns were full functioning in spec M16 Lowers. That is right, just put on a real deal AR upper with a M16 BCG, and bam! You now have a Full Auto AR.
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They way the gov. thinks, they can be easily converted to airsoft- military grade airsoft.
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I fully concur that this ATF agent is "Special".
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At 1:16 in, the moron ATF Special-Ed Agent can be seen trying to insert the mag backwards; check the positioning of the seam.

Unbelievable.
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Well you guys know that we do have a Machine Gun Ban in place. I don't like MG ban either, but since it is in place, the Feds have to do their jobs.

This video is a couple of years old, and I looked more into it awhile back. What happened was an Airsoft Dealer got a very nice shipment of his gun seized by the ATF, and he wanted someone to pay him back for lost revenue. I forgot the amount, but I think it was close to $100,000.

Supposedly, the lowers on these Air Soft guns were full functioning in spec M16 Lowers. That is right, just put on a real deal AR upper with a M16 BCG, and bam! You now have a Full Auto AR.
Good luck with that. As the owner of two airsoft M-16 style toys WITH plastic lowers I would not want to be in the area when the trigger is pulled
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Good luck with that. As the owner of two airsoft M-16 style toys WITH plastic lowers I would not want to be in the area when the trigger is pulled
What exactly do you think would happen? I mean EXACTLY........do you think it is going to explode into pieces?
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