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Old June 18, 2017, 17:07   #51
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............... This is going to have repercussions.
Any bets that the Navy will blame the dead sailors, as they did in the IOWA incident ?

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Old June 18, 2017, 17:11   #52
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Yeah,that type Destroyer would have a very sophisticated radar system.No doubt about that. But screw-ups do happen. Have a nephew who was on the Greenville when it bonked that Japanese fishing boat. He was sleeping when that happened.
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Old June 18, 2017, 18:38   #53
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As a exercise I like to invent criminal defense scenario's,,, you never know when you'll need one.
Here's one,,, what if the Cargo vessel was in stealth mode lights off, pingers off, GPS indicators off and newly painted with radar reflecting paint,,, that was not yet dry,,, that sounds like evil intent to me,, and that Navy lawyer from a "Few Good Men" could prove it.
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Old June 18, 2017, 21:15   #54
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https://www.conspiracyoutpost.com/to...comment-291873

Interesting track of the Crystal.
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Old June 19, 2017, 01:33   #55
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... major fvck-up @ 2AM... there be some friggin' in the riggin' goin' own... shaggin' on the chart table...

... only remains to be determined was it hetero (wimminz on warships, what could go wrong?), or DADT...
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Old June 19, 2017, 10:53   #56
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Whole thing stinks of an Islamic attack. Why go small potatoes using car or truck to take out civilians. Planes ,trains and cargo ships are a terrorist dream. The U.S. Navy was infiltrated with Islamist years ago from top to bottom. This was a coordinated attack carried out between the container ship crew and some traitorous Navy sailors. Check out the roster of the Navy ship and find out who belongs to the religion of peace. May sound far fetched but the dots connect.
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Old June 19, 2017, 11:36   #57
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before and after footage. I'm pretty sure our ships run 24/7 cameras these days. It would be dirt cheap to do,and a very logical thing in today's hyper-political environments.
all navy boats in this class carry onboard navigational systems that record movement of nearby craft as tracked by a multiplicity of sensory deveices, including radar and video. automatic collision alarms are state of the art. subs are the same, with even cooler shit. the electronic records should make the investigation of this incident cut and dried. somebody is going the PCF in Yokosuka. too many others have already gone to Davey Jones locker in this case.
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Old June 19, 2017, 13:10   #58
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Looking at the damaged caused by bumping into a container ship, I am a bit concerned what would've happened if this ship had been in a combat situation and gotten hit by anti-ship ordnance. I've always assumed that Navy ships were designed to take a lot of abuse before sustaining substantial damages. However, looking at the damage caused by the container ship and the damage wrought upon the USS Cole by a Zodiak boat full of explosives, I fear it may take less to knock our ships out of working condition than I first thought.
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Old June 19, 2017, 15:23   #59
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Looking at the damaged caused by bumping into a container ship, I am a bit concerned what would've happened if this ship had been in a combat situation and gotten hit by anti-ship ordnance. I've always assumed that Navy ships were designed to take a lot of abuse before sustaining substantial damages. However, looking at the damage caused by the container ship and the damage wrought upon the USS Cole by a Zodiak boat full of explosives, I fear it may take less to knock our ships out of working condition than I first thought.
There was that destroyer in the Persian Gulf some years ago that got hit by an Iraqi launched Exercet anti-ship missile. It didn't sink, but if it had been required to defend itself further its questionable whether it could have.

As for the COLE, I spent a little bit of time on her. Not as a crewman, but as a quest of the Captain at the time. (they rotate command every 18 months) If you are interested in the COLE attack, the Captain that was in cmd. at the time wrote an account of that incident titled "The Afterburner". Very interesting read.
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Old June 19, 2017, 15:51   #60
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There was that destroyer in the Persian Gulf some years ago that got hit by an Iraqi launched Exercet anti-ship missile. It didn't sink, but if it had been required to defend itself further its questionable whether it could have.

As for the COLE, I spent a little bit of time on her. Not as a crewman, but as a quest of the Captain at the time. (they rotate command every 18 months) If you are interested in the COLE attack, the Captain that was in cmd. at the time wrote an account of that incident titled "The Afterburner". Very interesting read.
That was the USS Stark, a guided missile frigate. Not nearly as large or capable as the USS Fitzgerald.
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That the Fitz had to be towed in is embarrassing. They should have brought in in under its own power,by any means possible. Barges are towed. Ships are sailed.
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That the Fitz had to be towed in is embarrassing. They should have brought in in under its own power,by any means possible. Barges are towed. Ships are sailed.
Well, they put the USS Cole on a heavy haul ship and shipped it home. Not sure that's much better but it did make for an interesting photo op.

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There was that destroyer in the Persian Gulf some years ago that got hit by an Iraqi launched Exercet anti-ship missile. It didn't sink, but if it had been required to defend itself further its questionable whether it could have.

As for the COLE, I spent a little bit of time on her. Not as a crewman, but as a quest of the Captain at the time. (they rotate command every 18 months) If you are interested in the COLE attack, the Captain that was in cmd. at the time wrote an account of that incident titled "The Afterburner". Very interesting read.
I will look that up later, thank you. It's always interesting to get the CO's account.
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I will raise a glass and shed a tear to the sailors that sacrificed. Fair winds and following seas.

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Old June 20, 2017, 23:07   #66
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When the Fitzgerald collided with the merchant ship, 37-year-old Fire Controlman 1st Class Gary Leo Rehm Jr., "leapt into action," according to The Daily Beast.
The Fitzgerald was struck below the waterline, and Rehm Jr.'s family was told by the Navy that he went under and saved at least 20 sailors, according to WBNS-10TV in Columbus, Ohio.
But when he went back down to get the other six sailors, the ship began to take on too much water, and the hatch was closed, WBNS-10TV said.
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Old June 21, 2017, 05:52   #67
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It sounds like the below the waterline bulbous bow hull protrusion speared the destroyer,,, at least one hero was born of this disaster,,, well done PO 1st Rehm.

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