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Old January 11, 2019, 16:14   #351
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I e-mailed them yesterday (1/9) regarding my missing/damaged parts.

I feel like this last batch of them were the incomplete kits they kept for missing/damaged parts from the main sale and the kits that were returned.
I didn't get a response to my emails until just now (they said they will send the parts).

I had just left a negative review on SARCO webpage reguarding the missing parts on the kit and lack of response - I suspect that may have generated the response
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Old January 12, 2019, 00:21   #352
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My kit arrived today and is pictured below.


The extractor is pitted and I’m assuming will need to be replaced along with the extractor spring. The gas tube and recoil spring tube are badly pitted. I am missing the gas adjustment plug, gas block pin, sling swivel, and charging handle pin. The flash hider has a broken locking lug and the top cover is bent and too tight to allow the bolt to travel smoothly when placed on an upper receiver.

I’m not sure that I’m happy with it. Should I be? The lower is complete, stock isn’t trashed, and it is not Cuban marked. The barrel seems to be straight and bore looks ok.

Bolt and carrier are #8001
Barrel is #11339
Lower is #14594

Does ARS assemble kits without refinishing them? If I build this I want to keep the ratty look.

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Old January 12, 2019, 11:25   #353
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EagleArmsHBAR, Yes I believe ARS does assemble these for a few members here. I don't see the broken lug on your suppressor? Personally, I wouldn't change anything until after it's assembled and you try shooting it? You must remember these are not NOS but, used military surplus. I'm curious, what's the metal at the end of your top cover?
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Old January 12, 2019, 20:34   #354
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EagleArmsHBAR, Yes I believe ARS does assemble these for a few members here. I don't see the broken lug on your suppressor? Personally, I wouldn't change anything until after it's assembled and you try shooting it? You must remember these are not NOS but, used military surplus. I'm curious, what's the metal at the end of your top cover?
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The metal at the endo of the top cover is a part of a picture frame hanger (kit is on the back of a poster frame on the floor). Below is the broken flash hider. Are these Type 48 flash hiders?
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Old January 14, 2019, 10:17   #355
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Yeah, those are T48s. Apex has them for $45.

https://www.apexgunparts.com/more/ba...ash-hider.html
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Old January 14, 2019, 11:01   #356
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We will replace the bad flash hider just contact me
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Old January 14, 2019, 11:06   #357
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Just got a shipping notice that they are replacing all of my damaged/missing parts.

Thanks Dave!!
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Old January 14, 2019, 11:29   #358
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Just got a shipping notice that they are replacing all of my damaged/missing parts.

Thanks Dave!!
Same here.
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Old January 14, 2019, 16:45   #359
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Thank you! I believe that Liz is on it. Any chance you guys will have more kits in the future?
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Yeah, those are T48s. Apex has them for $45.

https://www.apexgunparts.com/more/ba...ash-hider.html
Do those come from Apex with the securing screw?
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Old January 14, 2019, 19:41   #361
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Montana Rifleman Barrels: in another thread

I've just received Montana Rifleman barrels from Brad at Gunthings.com. I'll modify the threads to put on these SARCO Chilean and Cuban receivers because the bores on the three SARCO kit barrels I have received so far are not usable. Please, I want to be clear, this is not a rant against SARCO.

In all fairness I have NOT called SARCO about this yet so they haven't heard from me or had a chance to respond. I'll do that tomorrow to see if they can up with some barrels that are good enough to put on a rifle.

Here's the link to the Montana Barrel thread.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=436020

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Are the Chilean kit carry handles wood, plastic, something else?
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Old January 15, 2019, 11:59   #363
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Even though you only post for the good, it scares me a bit that you are always watching, like NSA.

THANKS for getting us these kits!
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Old January 15, 2019, 12:09   #364
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Some guys have all the lucks!

All I received are garbage shitz.
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Some guys have all the lucks!

All I received are garbage shitz.
Maybe you are expecting better than advertised parts?
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Old January 15, 2019, 12:51   #366
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http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/metric-fal...parts-kit.aspx


We are lucky enough to have come across these Chilean FAL parts kit. These are Belgian made kits. Each kit includes an original Belgian barrel with a very good bore. May come with metal, wood or composite handguards (sorry, no choice on handguard currently). Handguards may need minor repairs. Non-matching numbers. Lots of character. Own a piece of history!
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Do those come from Apex with the securing screw?
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I believe so, although I would double check with Apex before ordering.
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I did not receive a barrel with good bore as advertised. Moreover missing thumb safety, gas cap and selector.

Barrel is not usable, dark and shot out.

100 bucks of missing parts.

Edit: also broken mounting tab on flashhider

I like all the character wears!
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Old January 16, 2019, 15:57   #369
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Got notice this morning from DSA that they now have type one receivers with carry handle cuts in stock(limited supply) so, I quickly ordered one.
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Old January 16, 2019, 17:39   #370
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Are the Chilean kit carry handles wood, plastic, something else?
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I just put a small cut into one of mine and it appears to be plastic. Frankly it has a lot of brown sprinkled in with the black, so I thought
it might be wood, but it's not. It's very skinny and kinda ratty actually, but it has "character" for a BFPU. All three of my kits have
identical handles.
I haven't cleaned them so I think they might actually be black underneath the crud.

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I did not receive a barrel with good bore as advertised. Moreover missing thumb safety, gas cap and selector.

Barrel is not usable, dark and shot out.

100 bucks of missing parts.

Edit: also broken mounting tab on flashhider

I like all the character wears!

Whatís the difference between thumb safety and selector? What is a gas cap?
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Old January 16, 2019, 17:53   #372
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Cuban vs Chilean: Differences

I have both lower-receivers and have looked up both of them in The FAL Primer And The FAL Rifle. These
two contracts look so similar I'm not sure which things I should vary to make them a bit more "True" to the
respective contracts.

Also,
The examples I've seen (in the books) all have bipod cuts and lugs under the barrel behind the Browning flash hider.

1. Were there any of these two contract rifles that don't have lugs on the barrel?

2. Were there any that don't have bipod cuts?

3. The furniture confuses me a bit.

4. Are there any other defining features (gas groups, anything!) of either one that I should include on these rifles?

As always if I need more RTFM let me know where to look! I'm trying to read before posting these questions but
my hair is grey and I might have missed something.

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Old January 16, 2019, 18:14   #373
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I did not receive a barrel with good bore as advertised. Moreover missing thumb safety, gas cap and selector.

Barrel is not usable, dark and shot out.

100 bucks of missing parts.

Edit: also broken mounting tab on flashhider

I like all the character wears!
I had to send back all 3 of the kits I ordered due to barrel condition.
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Duh. You didn't get one with your kit?
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Old January 17, 2019, 06:13   #375
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@pcar you are probably looking at BGS and some Rhodesian conversion rifles. The Cubans did not have lug barrels (though somebody will come along to prove me wrong)

Really there is no diff between the contact rifle, though I’ve not seen the brown HG on Chilean.

Except of course the triangle marked lower which is presumed to be Cuban.
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@pcar you are probably looking at BGS and some Rhodesian conversion rifles. The Cubans did not have lug barrels (though somebody will come along to prove me wrong)

Really there is no diff between the contact rifle, though Iíve not seen the brown HG on Chilean.

Except of course the triangle marked lower which is presumed to be Cuban.
I thought that weve seen some cuban pics that appear to have G1 style lugs with the long belgian flash hiders?
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Old January 17, 2019, 08:09   #378
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I thought that weve seen some cuban pics that appear to have G1 style lugs with the long belgian flash hiders?
I seem to recall the same thing.
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Abominog, def90, and hkshooter, thanks for the replies!
I think I've located the source(s) of my confusion.

1. The 3 SARCO Chilean/Cuban kit barrels I've received, although unusable, all have accessory lugs behind the Browning flash hider. These were the first FAL barrels I'd ever seen, so I thought that was the standard for this contract.

2. The photos in The FAL Rifle (in the Metric FAL section) show both the Cuban and Chilean rifles without the accessory lug on the barrel. (pp 269, 272 in Book Three)

3. I've not (so far) found an example of either rifle in the FN FAL Primer. But in the "Lugged Barrel Identification" section (pp 145) Tyroler and Adams mention that the accessory lug was...

"... likely a vestigial element from a mass production run. BGS barrels also exhibit the keyway cut for the flash hider retainer."

Question: Wouldn't any barrel with a Browning flash hider necessarily have a keyway cut?

4. At the beginning of my visits to this forum I seem to remember someone (in a thread here) stated with certainty that Chilean contract rifles came both with and without lugs. For the life of me though I can't remember where I saw it! I'll have to go back through this thread and others to find it. I too thought I remember a pic of a Chilean or a Cuban with an accessory lug, but I can't find it now!

Initial conclusion:
So far the photos show that no accessory lug exists but keyway cuts do (if required) for the Browning FH, unless some of the Chilean and/or Cuban rifles had some of the "mass production" BGS barrels.

Sound about right?

The impact to me is that the 3 new Montana Rifleman barrels I bought that have no lugs will be fine. All I have to do to convert them is:

1. Cut off the left-hand threads and cut right hand threads onto the muzzle.
2. Add a keyway cut.

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Love it when people cite my own book to refute me. Thatís why I started it canít remember everything!

The lugged barrels are simply type A barrels that were repurposed by adding the type B FH. Except Rhodesian which are often modified G1 barrels on G1 rifles.
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Love it when people cite my own book to refute me. Thatís why I started it canít remember everything!...
Excellent! These books are superb and the only reason I'm not tearing my hair out. I've spent a lot of hours just turning
pages and trying to stuff it all in. But there's so much information it doesn't all stick at once. There are lots of things you
guys know that isn't in the books, or it's it's buried in the text or as a picture somewhere.

Between these two books including yours, The Fabled FAL, and the gunplumber's "home gunsmithing" guide I should be ok.

Topics for another thread or two:
I'm sure I'll have more questions about the Brazilian rifles when my Imbel kit arrives. I've ordered another of Pars' Imbel
receivers for it. Frankly though, other than the combo device, it looks an awful lot like these Chilean rifles. I haven't dug
into the details yet to compare sights, gas blocks, and other stuff. I've ordered a DSA Type I receiver as well and haven't
decided if it'll go on the Chilean or the Cuban lower.

That leaves me with the two SARCO kits and three receivers.
1. Coonan type III
2. Imbel type III
3. DSA type I

I suppose that means I'll be looking for another kit of some sort.

Thanks again folks,
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Excellent! These books are superb and the only reason I'm not tearing my hair out. I've spent a lot of hours just turning
pages and trying to stuff it all in. But there's so much information it doesn't all stick at once. There are lots of things you
guys know that isn't in the books, or it's it's buried in the text or as a picture somewhere.

Between these two books including yours, The Fabled FAL, and the gunplumber's "home gunsmithing" guide I should be ok.

Topics for another thread or two:
I'm sure I'll have more questions about the Brazilian rifles when my Imbel kit arrives. I've ordered another of Pars' Imbel
receivers for it. Frankly though, other than the combo device, it looks an awful lot like these Chilean rifles. I haven't dug
into the details yet to compare sights, gas blocks, and other stuff. I've ordered a DSA Type I receiver as well and haven't
decided if it'll go on the Chilean or the Cuban lower.

That leaves me with the two SARCO kits and three receivers.
1. Coonan type III
2. Imbel type III
3. DSA type I

I suppose that means I'll be looking for another kit of some sort.

Thanks again folks,
Ron
Is that why there's no tutorials on this site, on the difference in parts ie: stocks, barrels, carry handles, etc.?
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Now that you mention it... I haven't looked at the "part identification" references on this site yet except in the Gunsmithing section. Gotta peruse that too before I post too many more questions.
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