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Old October 20, 2017, 14:21   #1
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stay out of alleys

recent events in florida and north Carolina cause me to ask the question: so 9 negros with pipes are coming at you in an alley, and you have a gun. one of them raises a pipe and says "I'm gonna bust yo honkey head wide open". what do you do? the current PC answer appears to be: you get arrested for being a "racist".
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The next time I hear "THE RANGE IS NOW HOT", it just wont be the same.

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"In THAT direction," the Jin said, waving its right paw round, "lives a Han: And in THAT direction," waving the other paw, "lives a Ming Hare. Visit either you like: they're both mad."
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Old October 20, 2017, 14:24   #2
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I get arrested....

YMMV
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Old October 20, 2017, 14:44   #3
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10 can keep a secret if 9 are dead ?
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Old October 20, 2017, 15:08   #4
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I'm smart enough to go another way if the opportunity is there. If not bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang... Time to call the ambulance and the lawyer, maybe not necessarily in that order.
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During the Stalinist era in the USSR there was a saying that went like this. "One man with a gun and the will to use it can control 100 people". Of course there wasn't any shortage of NKVD types who were more than willing to shoot their fellow comrades.

Now to the OP question. I would shoot the leader if I could recognize who it was. If not then the first one who raised his weapon and took one more step towards me. So how many of the others would I have to shoot in order to stop this attack? Maybe just that first one. When feral animals of this type realize that you are prepared to spill their blood and then do so the rest of them will most likely decide that maybe this attack on you wasn't such a good idea.

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Old October 20, 2017, 15:34   #6
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Who knows, maybe the public will start carrying body cams to justify fighting back. One picture is worth a 1000 words.
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Old October 20, 2017, 18:09   #7
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9 thugs. I may need to re-think my carry strategy. Both my primary carry guns only have 7+1 capacity.

Stand over the bodies until the police arrive and don't let anybody touch the pipes. Prints and DNA can show who was holding what.
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Old October 20, 2017, 19:04   #8
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9 thugs. I may need to re-think my carry strategy. Both my primary carry guns only have 7+1 capacity.

Stand over the bodies until the police arrive and don't let anybody touch the pipes. Prints and DNA can show who was holding what.
Yep. My initial thought was “what kind of gun do I have?”

But really, two to the chest of the first suspect and methinks you’d see nothing but assholes and elbows from the other eight. Bravery and resolution are not known character traits of alley thugs.

ETA- they make 8+1 mags for those you know
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Old October 20, 2017, 19:24   #9
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9 thugs. I may need to re-think my carry strategy. Both my primary carry guns only have 7+1 capacity.

Stand over the bodies until the police arrive and don't let anybody touch the pipes. Prints and DNA can show who was holding what.
For decades, my carry gun was a Star PD with 6+1, plus a 6 rd back-up mag.

For the last number of years, it's been a Glock 17 with a Glock 18 back-up mag.

You might ask if my perceived threat has changed...

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Old October 20, 2017, 20:16   #10
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Stay out of alleys on streets that are on or in proximity of an MLK thoroughfare and you probably have 90% of your problem solved.
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Old October 20, 2017, 20:23   #11
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I carry a J-frame. Hmmm . . . . . . aim and fire carefully.
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Old October 20, 2017, 20:32   #12
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For decades, my carry gun was a Star PD with 6+1, plus a 6 rd back-up mag.

For the last number of years, it's been a Glock 17 with a Glock 18 back-up mag.

You might ask if my perceived threat has changed...

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First off.....I try to avoid kill boxes. That said, for the longest time my carry was a 7+1 .45 short framed commander, or an 8+1 10mm government depending on clothing. More often than not, this is what I have most of the time now.




Yes itís the .45, yes itís very comfortable, and yes itís more concealed than my typical 5 oíclock IWB. Thatís a whole lotta .45 in a very controllable and fast shooting handgun.


Iím more concerned with a mob style attack now than ever before. I canít remember the last time I carried a single stack when Iíve had the ability to conceal a full size double stack. Itís been a year or two.
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Old October 20, 2017, 20:53   #13
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Stay out of alleys on streets that are on or in proximity of an MLK thoroughfare and you probably have 90% of your problem solved.
Odds are my next job will be on this area's MLK and there's little I can do to change it. Even more fun if the locals riot after the next local white cop kills the next useless black thug. At least the majority of my drive home is going to be on largely white neighborhood streets and to a 96% white suburban county.
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Old October 21, 2017, 05:13   #14
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bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang... Halt or I'll shoot.
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Old October 21, 2017, 06:23   #15
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That we are discussing a possibility that was once thought absurd says something about who is actually violating whose civil rights,,, and getting away with it.
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Old October 21, 2017, 06:52   #16
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Whats a honkey doing in the hood?, first question in the juries mind. If you have had firearm training and practice or compete somewhere or time, good bye.
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Old October 21, 2017, 08:12   #17
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Home invasions are more and more frequently done by gangs with 4 or more intruders. Sometimes they even have body armor! This is why I think the AR makes a lot more sense for home defense than a shotgun or handgun. Lefties may think a 30 round mag is overkill but watch some shootout videos and see how many rounds are fired and in a hurry too.
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Old October 21, 2017, 09:16   #18
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Well I hope I have this with me. they be blind.

I normally carry a Kahr CW9 AND a LCP in the back pocket.

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Old October 21, 2017, 10:38   #19
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Note to self: Buy a couple more spare mag carriers.

I'd shoot as many as I had to, to stop the threat. And the real a$$holes of the group two or three times just to be sure.
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Home invasions are more and more frequently done by gangs with 4 or more intruders. Sometimes they even have body armor! This is why I think the AR makes a lot more sense for home defense than a shotgun or handgun. Lefties may think a 30 round mag is overkill but watch some shootout videos and see how many rounds are fired and in a hurry too.
True enough, but carrying that AR down the alley is probably asking for other kinds of ptoblems...

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Old October 21, 2017, 11:02   #21
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Thatís why I carry a 14+1 gun and a 45 at that. Iíll have a few left over. And also thatís why I practice. Oh and BTW I also carry two extra 14 round mags for a total of 43 rounds.
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True enough, but carrying that AR down the alley is probably asking for other kinds of ptoblems...

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Ya not recommending an AR for edc but I disagree that they are overkill for home defense. Media narrative seems to be that nobody has any business owning the best possible defensive weapon when their lives are at risk.
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Old October 21, 2017, 13:40   #23
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Uh 5.7 just to make sure the jurry really thinks you are a monster .....
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Old October 23, 2017, 08:46   #25
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I was remarking on socio-political dynamic, not tactical reality, you morons.
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The next time I hear "THE RANGE IS NOW HOT", it just wont be the same.

Max tried another question. "What sort of people live about here?"
"In THAT direction," the Jin said, waving its right paw round, "lives a Han: And in THAT direction," waving the other paw, "lives a Ming Hare. Visit either you like: they're both mad."
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Max remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Jin: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Max.
"You must be," said the Jin, "or you wouldn't have come here."
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Old October 24, 2017, 09:23   #26
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I was remarking on socio-political dynamic, not tactical reality, you morons.
So let me get this right... you ask the question "what do you do?" then are somehow surprised when you get answers of "what I would do is..."

Who do you think is the moron in this scenario?
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Don't ask don't tell. Leave no witnesses. Then leave...No honest citizen deserves the BS you have to go through for defending yourself. If they killed you they wouldn't wait for the police. I know some of you think this sounds terrible but I would do it if I could. I don't have $100,000 to spend on court.
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If you carry a cell phone, you are SOL. They will probably be able to tell when you entered the alley, who else was there, and when you left.

Don't tell the gangbangers, they catch a lot of them that way, and they probably have no clue how the cops "knew".

We had a case here where a woman burned her house with her kids inside down. She called 911 and claimed she was inside the house and it was on fire. Cops said oh-no, you were outside when you called.

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