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Old January 19, 2018, 00:49   #51
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What did you use to strip the paint?
It turned out very well.

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Tim test fires his builds so sent all parts with receiver.

Stock had ugly brown paint that I stripped. Scraping, steaming, a half dozen hand rubbed coats of tung oil taken down to no gloss with 0000 steel wool and wa la! Finished product.
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Old January 19, 2018, 09:12   #52
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What did you use to strip the paint?
It turned out very well.
Whatever Lowes had on the shelf; a Crown product I believe. If you use stripper, be sure to follow with a cleaner to remove any stripping agent and let the wood dry thoroughly before proceeding with finish coats.
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Old January 19, 2018, 09:32   #53
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Roger that eyeguy,
Hoping mine isnt painted. I was reading a tick on Battle tested, the guy used "Purple power" to strip the oil from the stock. It looked very effective, and non damaging.
Im a fan of tung oil, so thats probably the way I'll go.
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Roger that eyeguy,
Hoping mine isnt painted. I was reading a tick on Battle tested, the guy used "Purple power" to strip the oil from the stock. It looked very effective, and non damaging.
Im a fan of tung oil, so thats probably the way I'll go.
Others here may be able to advise on getting the oil out of a stock; I've had some success with low heat for extended periods to get oil to migrate out of the wood. My last was pretty clean once the ugly brown paint was removed and I knew I was going to steam and scrape since going for a specific look.

Here's another BM59 stock that came in my first kit. Kit was built up on a para stock so this one's just sitting. It was dirty, rough and oily. Cleaned the surface and used some heat to get the worst of the oil outta the wool. This one is wearing only Howards Feed N Wax. Didn't think tung oil or BLO was right given the condition; just personal preference. I like it though so will find a home for it one day.







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On lunch now and just picked up my FKF Beretta receiver. Seems like a really low serial number, P.B. 521*. how many of these Garands did they make?
Oh love that there is no model or caliber on it, as that will all change.

Did you refinish your stock before or after you sent the rifle off to shuffs?

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Old January 20, 2018, 21:24   #56
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So im thinking of pissing off a bunch of people, scrubbing the dutch crest, and having the heal rematked as a BM59.
The receiver has no model or caliber markings now.
Alternatly, ive thought of just adding the BM59 barkings to the heal in the same way they were done on the US GI conversions.

I got the clip guide in the mail today, barrel is scheduled for delivery Tuesday.

Should I refinish the stock before sending to Shuff?
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Beretta BM59
- Designed by a young whippersnapper of a company with no tradition of firearms (specially compared to Springfield).
From Wikipedia: “Beretta has supplied weapons for every major European war since 1650.” So much for the young whippersnapper of a company....
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Old January 21, 2018, 00:11   #58
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Yup, got a chuckle out of that too.

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From Wikipedia: “Beretta has supplied weapons for every major European war since 1650.” So much for the young whippersnapper of a company....
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Old January 21, 2018, 10:12   #59
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I have both and prefer the BM59 slightly over the M14.

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https://youtu.be/438rkWSylJo

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I have both and I with the 59. The 59 is nicely balanced, the magazines you can use as a weapon and the tricomp really works.
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From Wikipedia: “Beretta has supplied weapons for every major European war since 1650.” So much for the young whippersnapper of a company....
That was exactly my point, which was hinting on when the US adopted the 92 and required it to be made in the US, they also decided to take a page off Bubba's manual and change the alloy. But then everyone was blaming Beretta for shoddy design. Kinda similar to GM making diesel engines off 350 and 305 V8s "because they knew better" and they not lasting 10K miles.
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Eyeguy

Hello folks, I just wanted to drop in and say that if you want your 59 stock to look nice, listen to Eyeguy. There are few stocks that I remember coming into my shop, I do remember Eyeguy's. Whatever he did to that stock, it is among the very best looking pieces of furniture ever to come into my shop. The only other 59 stock that compares was done by PunchTheClown several years ago.

You just don't forget pieces of wood like that, the kind that make you scared to work on them. If that were my stock, it would have never been sent out in the mail.
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Hello folks, I just wanted to drop in and say that if you want your 59 stock to look nice, listen to Eyeguy. There are few stocks that I remember coming into my shop, I do remember Eyeguy's. Whatever he did to that stock, it is among the very best looking pieces of furniture ever to come into my shop. The only other 59 stock that compares was done by PunchTheClown several years ago.

You just don't forget pieces of wood like that, the kind that make you scared to work on them. If that were my stock, it would have never been sent out in the mail.
Thanks, Tim. There are some hours in that stock for sure and it came together beautifully with your build.

Made it to the range Sunday and she shoots great with the new Criterion barrel. I'm always pleasantly surprised just how soft the 59 shoots. I'll get her out again soon to finish break-in on the barrel. For now, she's sitting securely in the safe.

Thanks again....

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Old January 23, 2018, 05:35   #64
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Just thought I should toss in a photo of my James River Armory M21 DMR.

Looking at the photo makes me want to rush Spring a bit.



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My stock is pretty dented up, and rounded off. I'll strip and steem it.
This stock isn't going to be show piece. Probably order a new stock down the road.
Metal is looking nice with alot more finish than Id have thought.
Waiting on the barrel still.
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My stock is pretty dented up, and rounded off. I'll strip and steem it.
This stock isn't going to be show piece. Probably order a new stock down the road.
Metal is looking nice with alot more finish than Id have thought.
Waiting on the barrel still.
Be careful steaming around the stock markings. Steaming can "lift" them rendering them all but unreadable. Ask me how I know....
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Others here may be able to advise on getting the oil out of a stock; I've had some success with low heat for extended periods to get oil to migrate out of the wood. My last was pretty clean once the ugly brown paint was removed and I knew I was going to steam and scrape since going for a specific look.

Here's another BM59 stock that came in my first kit. Kit was built up on a para stock so this one's just sitting. It was dirty, rough and oily. Cleaned the surface and used some heat to get the worst of the oil outta the wool. This one is wearing only Howards Feed N Wax. Didn't think tung oil or BLO was right given the condition; just personal preference. I like it though so will find a home for it one day.
Wow. I have a couple spare BM59 stocks with the brown shellac on them and had no idea they could clean up that nicely. I guess I should pull them out of the junk box and practice.

In other news, I got a chance to pick up my BM59E that Shuff refinished and screwed back together. Bolted on the couple of parts I forgot to include (whoops) and it looks great. Can't wait to try it out.
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Both--- but the M14 first!!!

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Got the barrel. I need to set up an account with one of the image hosting sites.
Getting every thing ready to send off to Shuffs.

Is the metal band around the upper guard spring steel, and you just spread it to remove?
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Got the barrel. I need to set up an account with one of the image hosting sites.
Getting every thing ready to send off to Shuffs.

Is the metal band around the upper guard spring steel, and you just spread it to remove?
Use the special pliers - for a Garand - or you will split the wood!

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Use the special pliers - for a Garand - or you will split the wood!

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They look basicly like snap ring pliers. Ive got snap ring pliers
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If the flash hider/front sight assembly and gas cylinder assembly are removed, the upper handguard can be safely slid forward and out of the slots, without cracking any wood.
The barrel diameter forward of the handguard will spread the clip.
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If the flash hider/front sight assembly and gas cylinder assembly are removed, the upper handguard can be safely slid forward and out of the slots, without cracking any wood.
The barrel diameter forward of the handguard will spread the clip.
Yup this is still an unassembled kit as of now.
Im removing the metal from wood so i can refinish the wood.
Also getting all the metal ready for Shuff, though the kit parts really dont need it aside from the front sight/gas block that have a bit of corrosion that needs cleaned and parked. Obviously the receiver will need refinished after machining.
Honestly im tempted to just send the barrel, bolt receiver and front/sight gas block, as nothing else needs attention. Only reason not to is as soon as I send the gasblock its considered the whole rifle and the cost is the same reguardless.
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Finaly got an Imgur account.
Here are some of the pictures.
The stock im not really happy with. Im still waiting on my tool to remove the handgaurd band and refinish the handguard.





Figured out resize, had to go to desktop from moble.

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I think the stock looks great. Far less dents and dings that the two I received.

BTW. You can resize your images under the edit drop-down at the top left of the image. I usually look for something around 800-900 pixels
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Thanks.
That photo is in bright sun light. The stock is very dark, and to my eye, in real life far less red. The reddervspots are more a very light brown that reflects light weird.
Finish is tung oil. I think tung ouil is a tougher finish than lenseed oil. But i might have gone with it here if i wasnt affraid to make the stock even darker.

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Ok, I ended up sending the barrel, receiver, bolt, and a clip guide off to
Tim Shufflin.
I just got the parts back. Mr. Shufflin refinished the receiver and barrel, I refinished the stock in Tung oil. the rest of the finish is as the parts came. looks like the Italians refinished the rifles before they went in to storage, so its over all fresh park, but with a slight greenish patina. Tims work looks right at home.


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Super nice rifle!
I've heard nothing but good things about Mr. Tim.
I'd be excited for the first range trip!
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I've heard nothing but good things about Mr. Tim.
I'd be excited for the first range trip!
Thanks, I pretty excited to see how it shoots.
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Sweet rifle. Keep an eye on where brass is being thrown. Should eject between 1 and 5 o'clock. Closer to 5 o'clock the better. It it ejects at 12 o'clock it has too much gas.
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Sweet rifle. Keep an eye on where brass is being thrown. Should eject between 1 and 5 o'clock. Closer to 5 o'clock the better. It it ejects at 12 o'clock it has too much gas.
Good to know Will keep an eye on that.
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Congrats! She came together real nice. I'm sure you'll enjoy her. Looking forward to your range report.
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Looks beautiful! Watch the $#%& bolt hold-open (clip latch) pin, mine walked out easily. Some use loctite, some modify the pin for a C-clip (supposedly an AR-15 door pin can be cut down to work), I replaced the stock on my E with a modified T2 Garand stock I bought in the Marketplace here.

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Looks beautiful! Watch the $#%& bolt hold-open (clip latch) pin, mine walked out easily. Some use loctite, some modify the pin for a C-clip (supposedly an AR-15 door pin can be cut down to work), I replaced the stock on my E with a modified T2 Garand stock I bought in the Marketplace here.

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I've heard that, and been mulling over solutions. I think I'll look into the AR e clip idea, sounds like a good one.
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Got another kit sitting at Tim's as we speak. This will be my first build with the clip guide. Previous two were built before the option was available, and now not worth the cost to install when factoring another repark.
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I've heard that, and been mulling over solutions. I think I'll look into the AR e clip idea, sounds like a good one.
It's something to be taken care of prior to firing, mine damaged the stock. Of course, you can just remove the thing if you want to go to the range...

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It's something to be taken care of prior to firing, mine damaged the stock. Of course, you can just remove the thing if you want to go to the range...

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In the original form, was it retained by the selector switch?
How were the Springfield guns set up?
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Man you guys take good pictures over here.

1. Front mag catch should be tight. I drive them in with delron rods. This was always a beef of Mike Baker and I do try very hard to make that a tight fit. You just have to barely get them started and they drive right in.
2. The AR dust cover pin does work
3. You can also drill the 1/8 bolt stop pin and put in a 1/16 roll pin
4. Make sure you have your gas port lined up
5. 1 to 5 PM are good ejection patterns.
6. Never use your bolt stop as a bolt release. You will wear an edge on them in no time.
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In the original form, was it retained by the selector switch?
How were the Springfield guns set up?
Yes, and I think loctite - I've heard the SAI guns had retention issues, the only factory gun I owned was a BM62 where it was retained by the stock.

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I wish somebody would offer these already!

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That I was unaware of!

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Mr. Shufflin, thanks for the advice. About lining up the gas port, do I just bottom out the threads on the tricomp, and butt the gas cylinder up against it, or do I need to measure where the hole is in the gas cylinder and on the barrel?

I was thinking about retaining the bolt catch pin. You could cut a piece of metal to the shape of the selector area and use the axle hole to hold it in place with a shaft.

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Got another kit sitting at Tim's as we speak. This will be my first build with the clip guide. Previous two were built before the option was available, and now not worth the cost to install when factoring another repark.
Yeah, I had 2 built before guides became available. What is the extra cost to have installed on receiver that is being machined to BM59 specs?

I checked website and can't find price to add guide. Thanks
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Yeah, I had 2 built before guides became available. What is the extra cost to have installed on receiver that is being machined to BM59 specs?

I checked website and can't find price to add guide. Thanks
I emailed to ask weather or not he would install a clip guide. I bought my guide from standard parts. Tim sent me a price for if he provided the guide, or if I provided one.
I don't remember right off how much the fee was, but it was pretty reasonable.
the installation is flawless, and I feel adds greatly to the feel of authenticity.
I also think that on this rifle for practical reasons the ability to feed from stripper clips is useful.

I also cant over state how pleased I am with his parkerization. The park is rich and smooth, with no trace of media blast micro peening that I see all too frequently.
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I also cant over state how pleased I am with his parkerization. The park is rich and smooth, with no trace of media blast micro peening that I see all too frequently.
I came back today again to look at your pictures. Makes me want to round up the parts to build another on the nice SA stock I have left over.

And yes, Tim does top shelf work! If I do another with him it will be in the zinc (green) finish.
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Mr. Shufflin, thanks for the advice. About lining up the gas port, do I just bottom out the threads on the tricomp, and butt the gas cylinder up against it, or do I need to measure where the hole is in the gas cylinder and on the barrel?

I was thinking about retaining the bolt catch pin. You could cut a piece of metal to the shape of the selector area and use the axle hole to hold it in place with a shaft.
You actually just line up the gas port and then install the brake wherever it lands. The gas port is all that matters. A paper clip is all that is needed.
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You actually just line up the gas port and then install the brake wherever it lands. The gas port is all that matters. A paper clip is all that is needed.
I hadn't thought of a paperclip. So simple I overlooked it.
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Great tutorial on functioning of BM59



https://youtu.be/438rkWSylJo
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And the progress on my solution to holding in the bolt hold open pin.
On one side is a bent plate, that has anti rotation features, and a sprue that extends up ward. I plan on welding the thumb pad from the original selector lever on the extension.
I made a new shaft to extend through the axle hole. On one end it is grooved for a clip to retain the "selector lever". On the other side I'm going to chop the trip arm and its holder and weld the visible portion to the new shaft I made.

The result once parkerized, will be the appearance of a select fire, but function of retaining the bolt hold open pin.

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And the progress on my solution to holding in the bolt hold open pin.
On one side is a bent plate, that has anti rotation features, and a sprue that extends up ward. I plan on welding the thumb pad from the original selector lever on the extension.
I made a new shaft to extend through the axle hole. On one end it is grooved for a clip to retain the "selector lever". On the other side I'm going to chop the trip arm and its holder and weld the visible portion to the new shaft I made.

The result once parkerized, will be the appearance of a select fire, but function of retaining the bolt hold open pin.
I love the dummy selector look. Make a whole bunch and sell them! I would be in for a handful.
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Got my BM59 build back from Tim Shuffin today. Beautiful work - beautiful rifle. A little surprised to see the bolt hold open issue addressed by the installation of what appears to be a fitted AR15 ejection port door pin and "C" clip - a very nice touch
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