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Old November 05, 2012, 18:48   #1
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The .458 Hammer...

Got a RR .458 SOCOM awhile back, only had it out twice but man what a fuggin hammer!
Thanks to my Good friend in GA I wuz able to shoot it some before I received all my reloading junk..

These things just look WRONG don't they?




But now I'm rollin in components and have loaded up my very first .458 SOCOM bullits..






Had to mod my priming tool as the fuggin brass wouldn't fit between the sides of the tool.. :evil:

GTG now though...


I don't know exactly what it is about this cartridge but it really looks impressive I think.. I like to call them my own Mini ICBM's..

Loaded these up the other A.M. before my very first range day in over a month.
At this point I'm liking what I see BUT have to shootem ya know..




Sooo I take my 19 rounds (the very first attempt at this round BTW) and head to the range. I only took 4 rifles since I still can't tote shit around after having my hip replaced ..

After shooting some other guns I load a single round of this stuff to check it for feed, function, slam fire, and of course pressure signs..
After that I shot the rest with the exception of 3 rds my Bud put on his target..


FIRST round is @9:00 o'clock, while I did make every attempt to "get on paper" I still kinda backed off the gun just a bit since this was my shot with a new load. It went perfect so I loaded up some more.. There are 16 rds in that group, the three @ 10:00 & 11:00 I yanked (the trigger in the lower SUX)..
That puts 12 rds in that big ragged hole and I couldn't be more pleased.. If'n I woulda done my part I have no doubt the others would have been in there as well..
These where all shot @ 50yds but next trip same load gets tried out @ 100 as well as getting chrono data..

Load is perfect as is with the primer maintaining it's round edges and no other pressure signs noted. Extraction and ejection perfect as well so w/this bullet I'm calling this my load for this bullet but I've got lots more to work with..

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34.5 gr H-110
CCI Mag L/P (NO slam-fire BTW)
HORNADY 300gr JHP
OAL.- 2.030"

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On the .458 SC board there are several comments RE: function issues w/H-110 and the RRA Uppers.. I can say with certainty that w/MY gun I had NO issues whatsoever as the powder/rifle combo worked perfectly..
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I was so pleased with how these shot I've already loaded up 20 more..

Plans for other loads as well including them Big Azz Barnes Bullits.
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Old November 05, 2012, 19:04   #2
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This past Saturday English Mike put about 75 rounds through mine. I made him load most of 'em. Shlomo drug along the actual belted .458 mag, so the difference was available. Think we all shot that thing, Bama Steve (who was our gracious host) included.

OBTW, I do indeed want to try this thing on some wild pig.
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Old November 05, 2012, 20:07   #3
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I'm certain this .458 aint nuthin like the REAL Belted .458 in the recoil dept..

Am glad to hear you all had such a great time and it seems as though the SOCOM was a hit w/The Brit..
Ya know I read a few kina worrysome comments about loading this round but I gotta say it seems pretty straight forward so far.

As to killin a Pigger I think this thing should absolutely stomp..
I'm told that I will soon have access to some fertile Pig property and I'm very much looking forward to finding out..

Planning on taking the Hammer and the .300BLK as I think that should be impressive as well..
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Old November 05, 2012, 21:05   #4
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That ammo looks too damn expensive to me!! Very cool.
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Old November 05, 2012, 21:31   #5
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Dab nabitt, I thought I had my mind made up. I wanted a 300 blk out
upper for my sbr. Now you got me looking hard at the 458. I know the
real solution is both. What say you.
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Old November 05, 2012, 21:56   #6
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That ammo looks too damn expensive to me!! Very cool.
Dood it is expensive if'n ya use these premium bullets no doubt.. Brass is high but I understand it holds up well because pressure is about 35K. I have not shot enough to make a determination just yet but it looks really good after firing..

BUT the Hornady 300gr H/P's are pretty reasonable (about $.50 ea) and not only are they very accurate but they apparently will kill some shit right fuggin now..
It's kina unfair I know but I get all my shit at cost so that helps a LOT.
If'n I didn't I'd you can bet I'd be runnin the Hornady's or hard cast exclusively..
The BEST is Pulling the trigger on this thing!
After shooting .223 AR's for ever and then shooting this is pretty fuggin crazy..

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Dab nabitt, I thought I had my mind made up. I wanted a 300 blk out
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real solution is both. What say you.
Man the .458 is a LOT of fun and should make a damn good hunting rifle/caliber combo, at a 125 (mebe 150)yds or less it's friggin awesome..
If your plan is to hunt the .458 has gotta be tough to beat..

If'n ya want to add an upper to your SBR then get the .300BLK.
I LOVE my .300BLK and take it with me every range trip now. It's versatility is really impressive and it's also a hoot to shoot. It's super easy to hand load for and the 150gr Spitzer loads I'm tinkering with right now show promise.
This PIC shows my most recent 50 yd group but it's a good number of rounds (16 or 17 IIRC) shot pretty quickly..


But to be Honest I think you already know the answer..

GET BOTH!!
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Old November 06, 2012, 06:22   #7
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Hey Mike, did your .458 upper come with an M-16 bolt carrier?
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Hey Mike, did your .458 upper come with an M-16 bolt carrier?
Hmmm, I don't know? Never looked at it to be honest? How do I tell fer sher?
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Bottom of the carrier, at the back. Only has about .750 of the bottom of the carrier intact. AR-15 has ~1.60.
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How much did you pay, and what quantity was that box-o-brass? I shot one of those punk'in chuckers a couple years ago. An SOT friend built a post sample and I fell in love. Pulling the trigger on 405 gr. slugs at 600+ rounds a minute will negate any need for viagra, believe me.

Just couldn't handle the brass cost at the time. I'm hoping maybe it's gone down?
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Old November 06, 2012, 20:42   #11
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The cartridge is impressive, and yes brass is pricey..
Seems to hold up well though so I'm cautiously optimistic about case life.

STARLINE is OOS again but it's $200.00 per 250pcs.
https://www.starlinebrass.com/brass-...8-SOCOM-Brass/

My Brass PIC is 250pcs and I plan on getting another 250 as soon as I see it in stock again.. It's not something I'll shoot 200 times a range trip so that should be good for a bit. Eventually I want 1K pcs keeping 250-500 unfired till I need them..

LOL!! Yea this fugger in Full Auto must be a blast..
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The brass and bullet looks like an oversize tokarev round. What basic shell casing do you cut down and fire form I assume to make the case?
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Old November 06, 2012, 23:06   #13
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The brass and bullet looks like an oversize tokarev round. What basic shell casing do you cut down and fire form I assume to make the case?
I guess in appearance they are similar, but in reality they are significantly diff.
No parent case, no cut down or fire formed brass.
Brass is purpose built for the .458 SC round.
I believe however it was originally based on the .50AE and as such works of of and is designed to stay within that pistol pressure limit. 35K IIRC.
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That looks to be an awesome set up! That is just fantastic. How is the recoil and such?
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That looks to be an awesome set up! That is just fantastic. How is the recoil and such?
Careful man, you sound just like me when this thing sucked me in.
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That looks to be an awesome set up! That is just fantastic. How is the recoil and such?
It's a pretty sweet rifle and cartridge combo fer sher..
Recoil is, well it's a little more then a standard AR I can say that for certain..

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Careful man, you sound just like me when this thing sucked me in.
Might be we hooked another one Haney..
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Haven`t tried the 458, but I traded into a 450 Bushmaster...LOVE IT!! semi-auto .45-70, lol

might have to try the 458
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Might be we hooked another one Haney..
Hope so, working it from my end.

Love being at the range and hearing the AR fan bois sort of sniggerin' at the old guy with the bull barrel carbine. Then it goes off and they shut up, before they come over to ask what the hell it is.
Just checked, I've burnt three pounds of powder through mine so far.

ETA: This thing begs for three round burst. "Go ahead, hide behind that cinderblock wall".
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The Hammer gets a NEW Optic...

Been eying this Optic for sometime after the Leupold Rep explained it's features and told us that these came straight out of the Leupold Custom shop. When these are gone there won't be anymore at this price. The ZOMBIE logo was not a selling point (for me) but I actually kinda like it..

The Burris PEPR mount is rock solid and I like these a lot.. This is the fourth rifle I've used one on for myself and I've installed many scopes with them..




ON the rifle (I LIKE IT!)...




Comes W/Two BDC dials, I'll be changing this one to the .308 as it is closest to the bullet weights I'll be using (still a long way off the actual weights however).
The SPR (special purpose reticle) is friggin bad ass and allows for an almost infinite ranging ability for someone that understands the optic (which I don't just yet)..

Seems to work most excellent and the 1.25-4X is perfect for this rifle.
Two three shot groups at 100 yds (my very first 100yds attempts). One was done with intent, the other not so much but I'm quite pleased with my hand loads I know that fer certain..

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Man, now I gotta go look up .458 and .50 Beo comparisons. Any obvious reasons you guys choose .458?

DYNO, very surprised we haven't seen a muzzle pic. Please.

How soon til you're using loaded 5.56 cartridges as sabot projectiles?
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Man, now I gotta go look up .458 and .50 Beo comparisons. Any obvious reasons you guys choose .458?

DYNO, very surprised we haven't seen a muzzle pic. Please.

How soon til you're using loaded 5.56 cartridges as sabot projectiles?
For me the decision was an easy one..

The SOCOM kicks ass, recoil is "interesting", and the gun is just plain FUN..
But there are better reasons too..

.458 uses a case that has the same base dimension as a .308.
The .50 uses a goofy rebated rim the dimension of the .223..
No matter how I look at it yankin that big honkin case out of the chamber with that dinky little rim just seems like yer askin for trouble.

The .50 is an A.A. (Alexander Arms) product and at least in years past was exclusive to them including ammo.
The .458 is not like that and ammo is becoming available from several manufacturers.

The .458 has a goodly number (albeit some are expensive) of available projo's. Brass (once obtained) and quality dies make this a real easy cartridge to load for. In fact I couldn't be more pleased with my initial loading as it does everything I hoped it would and it was my first attempt. NO velocity reading (yet) but I fully expect it's gonna run through the chrono right where I want it. Accuracy as noted is damn good for a big thumper like this and within 150 yds or so I think this would be tough to beat..

OK, your right..
I do need to take a PIC of the muzzle, it is pretty impressive..
I'll work on that and post back..

Speaking for myself only of course I doubt I'll be doing anything w/sabots. I've got plenty of rifles that shoot that already so this will most likely stay as The HAMMER..
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What kind of buffer and spring do you have to use for that thing?
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I'm using the standard buffer that came with a MagPul ACS stock. The Rock River upper came with a rifel and carbine spring so I did replace the spring. It's a 'bit' heavier.
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Had a random thought about magazine capacities re: the possible hi cap ban we're likely to get.

A standard 30 rd AR mag only holds 10 rounds in the .458.

So, stamp the mags .458 SOCOM, and they are instantly 10 round mags.
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Had a random thought about magazine capacities re: the possible hi cap ban we're likely to get.

A standard 30 rd AR mag only holds 10 rounds in the .458.

So, stamp the mags .458 SOCOM, and they are instantly 10 round mags.
Won't work if they still have the capability to hold 30 rds of 5.56 or .300 BLK. But one could hope that it slips through the cracks for a while.
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I hope your not still loading 34.5 gr of H-110. Barnes dropped that as a recommended powder. Their load was 28gr. max.Now they no longer recommend h110 because the 28gr is a too low a volume for the case. Have you chipped any lugs on the barrel extension or bolt.
It's become my favorite pig gun and I don't even like AR's, Hopefully one day I can convert my SCAR L to 458.
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I hope your not still loading 34.5 gr of H-110. Barnes dropped that as a recommended powder. Their load was 28gr. max.Now they no longer recommend h110 because the 28gr is a too low a volume for the case. Have you chipped any lugs on the barrel extension or bolt.
It's become my favorite pig gun and I don't even like AR's, Hopefully one day I can convert my SCAR L to 458.
I've "never" loaded 34.5gr of H-110 in anything but the Bullet I have listed above....
My current load is with the Hornady 300gr JHP's only, I have a good number of other options on hand but will be working with them later.

NO I have not had any damage to my gun..
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Now, if only my upper would show up. Ordered the day after the Dismal was re-elected. Got ammo, no upper!!
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Now, if only my upper would show up. Ordered the day after the Dismal was re-elected. Got ammo, no upper!!
Oh don't fret so much, Yer gonna HATE it anyway..

I mean really whats to like??
It's not like an AR at all aside from the looks.
It's noise makes peeps say "WTF was that?"..
Hell even w/high caps it's still a LOW cap..
Ammo is expensive..
Recoil makes reg AR shooters cry like little girls..

AND, it shoots these Teeny Weeny little ICBM's..

Sheeeeet, I have no clue why I even bought this thing??
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Oh don't fret so much, Yer gonna HATE it anyway..

I mean really whats to like??
It's not like an AR at all aside from the looks.
It's noise makes peeps say "WTF was that?"..
Hell even w/high caps it's still a LOW cap..
Ammo is expensive..
Recoil makes reg AR shooters cry like little girls..

AND, it shoots these Teeny Weeny little ICBM's..

Sheeeeet, I have no clue why I even bought this thing??
That right there is FUNNY!!!!

Most especially "It's noise makes peeps say, "WTF was that?" Yes, yes indeed it does do that. Makes me sound shallow, I have to admit, but that alone makes it worth a trip out among the AR fan bois. Hoo ahh, I just love watching those eyebrows run all the way up under that ball cap. Silly me.
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I've "never" loaded 34.5gr of H-110 in anything but the Bullet I have listed above....
My current load is with the Hornady 300gr JHP's only, I have a good number of other options on hand but will be working with them later.

NO I have not had any damage to my gun..
Thanks, The problems were with mid length uppers. From what I read chipping of the barrel extension on these is normal, I haven't sorted out if it is all or just from some of these guys pushing the pressure limits.

I picked up some H110 but I wasn't sure if I wanted to use it with so little good reloading data on it. Between Barnes dropping it and some of these yahoos pushing the pressure limits until the brass is no longer "useable" it doesn't inspire much confidence in their data.

I have been happy with reloader 32gr of reloader 7 and the 300gr Barnes TTSX. I shot a 250lb pig last weekend it entered next to the eye went through the skull down the neck and out the chest ricocheting off the ground into the woods. Another pig just a little larger took a 308 Soft point to the head but the bullet never exited.
Noise and recoil are what make it so great. My .223 rings my ears if I fire one shot without protection. I fired the 458 from inside the truck when I drove up on a big hog. I was amazed it was more on par with a 45 acp than the painful roar of a high powered rifle. Recoil is almost gone ever since I swapped to a moe rifle stock.
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That right there is FUNNY!!!!

Most especially "It's noise makes peeps say, "WTF was that?" Yes, yes indeed it does do that. Makes me sound shallow, I have to admit, but that alone makes it worth a trip out among the AR fan bois. Hoo ahh, I just love watching those eyebrows run all the way up under that ball cap. Silly me.
LOL!!
Ya know sometimes being the Odd Man out is just plain FUN..
Makes range trips just that much better don't it??

Ya know I gotta give ya yer dues El, you buyin that first Upper set this ball rolling. Now I can't hit the range W/Out takin the HAMMER and every time I get home I sort my current working brass, toss it in the tumbler and ready it for re-stuffin..
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Thanks, The problems were with mid length uppers. From what I read chipping of the barrel extension on these is normal, I haven't sorted out if it is all or just from some of these guys pushing the pressure limits.

I picked up some H110 but I wasn't sure if I wanted to use it with so little good reloading data on it. Between Barnes dropping it and some of these yahoos pushing the pressure limits until the brass is no longer "useable" it doesn't inspire much confidence in their data.

I have been happy with reloader 32gr of reloader 7 and the 300gr Barnes TTSX. I shot a 250lb pig last weekend it entered next to the eye went through the skull down the neck and out the chest ricocheting off the ground into the woods. Another pig just a little larger took a 308 Soft point to the head but the bullet never exited.
Noise and recoil are what make it so great. My .223 rings my ears if I fire one shot without protection. I fired the 458 from inside the truck when I drove up on a big hog. I was amazed it was more on par with a 45 acp than the painful roar of a high powered rifle. Recoil is almost gone ever since I swapped to a moe rifle stock.
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NICE pig and NICE rig Mang....
"So Far" I've only used H-110 but will for certain be trying others soon.
Iv'e used H-110 for many years and had excellent results with it in magnum handgun loads so using it here seemed a natural. Read through many posts on the SOCOM forum and note that it's still used often but one needs to be cautious.. NO prob there however as being careful is something we all need do anyway..
I did see that BARNES removed H-110 as an acceptable powder for their bullets but that's OK, I'll figure something else out..

I am looking forward to taking the HAMMER out and bustin some pigs myself, hope that happens PDQ..
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Old December 24, 2012, 12:14   #34
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Wow! Talk about a pig gun! probably has more energy then a 308.

What kinda velocity are those 300 gr's running?

Geeze Mike you get all the cool AR's. I can't imagine any burglar getting into your camp surviving for 2 minutes.

BTW! Shweet lookin Rover SLd.
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Kick it up a few notches and go full auto.

Why does that guy have a scope on that gun??

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Taking at least three new shooters to the range on Sat and will be bringing along the hammer... I'm already giggling to myself just thinking about it..

Just checked my ammo for it and gotta do a bit of loading between now and then but w/cases prepped and primed already it goes quickly..
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