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Old November 30, 2017, 07:44   #51
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Old November 30, 2017, 07:45   #52
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It sounded like very good advice to me. A flap sander takes up very little material at a time. A carbide reamer would take special tools that most people don’t have. It’s a pressfit item anyways.
That loser's been on my ignore list for years, so I didn't see it until you quoted it.

You want to get a custom ground reamer - go for it. Should set you back around $300. How much was the receiver?

I'll continue to flap sand. A demonstration is in my review of DS35660 image 7 in this thread.

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I got the barrel timed properly after I borrowed a friend‘s drill powered barrel shoulder shaving tool. I was able to get my rifle assembled last night as well. I ended up following Gun plumbers advice and used a bit of adhesive backed sandpaper wrapped around a small round file to gently enlarge the locking shoulder hole. It only took about 5-10 minutes carefully filing and measuring as I went.

Overall, I’m happy even though I was a little frustrated at first and may even order a second one while they’re cheap. I will have to weld ip the Mexico bit though... it just wouldn’t look right on a STG58.
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Old November 30, 2017, 19:16   #55
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I don't see whether these receivers are cast or forged, but I'm bettin' they are cast. And, are they truly "machined on all surfaces" as stated in the ad? Curious.

Also, with these new Mex marked receivers, that's just one more country to try and build the rifle and add to the collection.



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Old November 30, 2017, 19:35   #56
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Also, with these new Mex marked receivers, that's just one more country to try and build the rifle and add to the collection.

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Does anyone know configuration the Mexican FAL? Para perhaps?
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Old November 30, 2017, 21:16   #57
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Does anyone know configuration the Mexican FAL? Para perhaps?
I think they are just standard Dsa fals....there were not for the Mexican military
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I think they are just standard Dsa fals....there were not for the Mexican military
Thanks. Thinking of building a para with a mexican mark DSA receiver.
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I don't see whether these receivers are cast or forged, but I'm bettin' they are cast. And, are they truly "machined on all surfaces" as stated in the ad? Curious.

Also, with these new Mex marked receivers, that's just one more country to try and build the rifle and add to the collection.



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"They are cast, that's all we make now" DSA salesman's response to my question inquiring about these receivers when I made my purchases. So cast they are.



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I think they are just standard Dsa fals....there were not for the Mexican military
Who were they intended for?
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Old December 01, 2017, 21:51   #61
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Who were they intended for?
The very limited civilian market in Mexico I guess
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Due to the caliber, not the civilian market.
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Due to the caliber, not the civilian market.
This.

But I have to wonder, is the military metric 7.62 the caliber that is verboten? Or 308? Or are they considered to be the same down there in Mehico? Is civie 308 allowed?

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But I have to wonder, is the military metric 7.62 the caliber that is verboten? Or 308? Or are they considered to be the same down there in Mehico? Is civie 308 allowed?

Curious.
No military caliber is allowed, and that includes anything used by NATO.
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Thus the popularity of 1911s in .38 Super.
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Yes. But there are some FALs that are marked .308 are there not? Would those be allowed? Or are they considered the same as 7.62?
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Yes. But there are some FALs that are marked .308 are there not? Would those be allowed? Or are they considered the same as 7.62?
The Mexican Government's prohibition on military caliber's for civilian use contemplates things like the .308/7.62 x 51mm and .223/5.56 x 45mm designations for essentially identical cartridges. They weren't born yesterday.
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Likely rejected.
That's O.K., I'll pass. I already have two of my own cast and assembled by D.S.A. receivers where magazines don't fit and won't feed because of Bolt Over Base. As well, the rails for the bolt were not completely machined at the front of the receiver and a Para bolt carrier will not close because of a step that raises the carrier and the top of the carrier collides with the receiver and won't allow the bolt to go home.
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Coonan has progressively improved their product based upon consumer input. It appears DSA's product quality has steadily declined while apparently given consumers the middle finger.

With Coonan knocking out nice receivers for very reasonable prices, why would anyone waste their time with the current DSA offerings?

I want to add, this is very disappointing observation, as the last time I actively built FALs, DSA was the supreme gold standard for miles.
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Coonan has progressively improved their product based upon consumer input. It appears DSA's product quality has steadily declined while apparently given consumers the middle finger.

With Coonan knocking out nice receivers for very reasonable prices, why would anyone waste their time with the current DSA offerings?

I want to add, this is very disappointing observation, as the last time I actively built FALs, DSA was the supreme gold standard for miles.
Have you watched Marks videos on Coonan receivers?
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I just watched them, from a couple months ago apparently.

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Old December 06, 2017, 19:05   #74
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Mexican FAL

I found this pic online. Looks like a Federale with a well worn Para to me.
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Have you watched Marks videos on Coonan receivers?

Werent those videos on the oddball, special coonans (R1, type 2, L1A1)? Not the standard type 3 or type 1?
Not sayimg they are good, but I was thinking that there werent real known issues with the G1, Type 1 and standard "argue type 3" from coonan.
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We sold 11" and 16" short gas system fals to Mexico and like Colt and many other us arms manufactures Mexico was one of our largest customers and like Colt they(mexico) recently scaled back orders and this is why Colt is selling Mexico overruns (6920s) as well.
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We sold 11" and 16" short gas system fals to Mexico and like Colt and many other us arms manufactures Mexico was one of our largest customers and like Colt they(mexico) recently scaled back orders and this is why Colt is selling Mexico overruns (6920s) as well.
Were any of the FALs sold by DS Arms to Mexico in para configuration with folding stock?

Would appreciate if you can post pictures of DS Arms Mexican FALs for reference.
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Received 2 receivers a few days ago

Noticed the locking shoulders holes r undersized on both receivers.

Is that a if deal to master Fal builders?
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Were any of the FALs sold by DS Arms to Mexico in para configuration with folding stock?

Would appreciate if you can post pictures of DS Arms Mexican FALs for reference.
, Mexico bought 99% paras I actually don't remember any fixed stock Mexico rifles. I will go through pics and post some stuff we will be doing alot of posting pics soon anyways.
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, Mexico bought 99% paras I actually don't remember any fixed stock Mexico rifles. I will go through pics and post some stuff we will be doing alot of posting pics soon anyways.

Thanks. This is helpful. Will try to build paras with the two receivers I purchased.
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Thanks. This is helpful. Will try to build paras with the two receivers I purchased.
The configuration for a Mexico 16" is

Standard para stock
non extended scope mount
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short gas system ctc barrel
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Polymer handguards with bolt on side rails(or DSA quad rail handguard)
Standard para rear sight

Rifle 100% black all small parts painted black

The 11" Mexico is the same as above but with an 11" barrel Mexico bought both select fire and semi auto rifles
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Noticed the locking shoulders holes r undersized on both receivers.

Is that a if deal to master Fal builders?
I sent two R1 receivers back to DSA (on their dime) for the same problem. My buddy and I put a regular Type 1 together last night and he just took a couple thousandths off the back of the locking shoulder dog leg with a sanding block. Either way works. If using the latter, make sure to put some sort of protective finish on it. All that dog leg does is prevent the shoulder from twisting.
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Talked to DSA Customer Service today. They're taking them back on their dime to fix them.

No BS lifetime warranty. Thus concerns are moot.


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I am currently in the middle of a build using the Mexico contract over-run receivers. So far only issues I've run into are with the magazine release screw not screwing down flush with the receiver, and magazines needing a good smack to seat properly.

Barrel hand tightened to about 10:30. Receiver locks up fine into my lower. Top cover went on fine, bolt slides without binding. Bolt locks back fine. Magazine release functions fine.

Waiting for my tools from FAL tools to come in so I can torque down the barrel and size the locking shoulder.

Almost at the finish line.
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Talked to DSA Customer Service today. They're taking them back on their dime to fix them.

No BS lifetime warranty. Thus concerns are moot.
I prefer not to have my time wasted. I find it concerning if I have to waste my time ordering, making the trip to my FFL (and paying transfer fees), starting and haulting the build process, contacting the manufacturer, repackaging and shipping back to the manufacturer, waiting for a resolution, waiting for the replacement (hopefully) to arrive, driving back to my FFL (and paying for another transfer), and attempting the build again......... all because the manufacturer chooses not to inspect their product (or turns a blind eye?) before dumping it off on me. That is BS.
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They are marked SDN so that would be the Secretaria de la Defensa Nacional aka Dept of Defense.
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I would be cool to build one of these to go along with my S.D.N. Colts! I wish it wasn't such a gamble.
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I wanted a cost effective receiver to use a chrome lined barrel I have for a all round fun gun. Thought it'd be cool and unique { in my AO anyway } to have the Mexican logo on it. Turns out I got a bad one.
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Just bought one for kicks. Will let you know what arrives--beauty or beast.
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I find it interesting the new DSA-REP has nothing to say about these issues or this thread.
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Well, mine is so warped it's un-usable as is. I can't in good faith sell it to anouther builder, and I'm sure now that I've worked on it it's no longer under warranty. I'm going to just move on and save for a Imbel or FMAP, at least I know a build will only take a hour with one of those.
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Well, mine is so warped it's un-usable as is. I can't in good faith sell it to anouther builder, and I'm sure now that I've worked on it it's no longer under warranty. I'm going to just move on and save for a Imbel or FMAP, at least I know a build will only take a hour with one of those.
Sadly like the other DSA Reps will ignore the real problem (warped receivers,holes not threaded deep enough, incomplete or piss poor machining, over or under sized locking shoulder hole, etc etc etc...) and instead attack knowledgeable forum members who point out well known and ignored issues.
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driving back to my FFL (and paying for another transfer), and attempting the build again......... all because the manufacturer chooses not to inspect their product (or turns a blind eye?) before dumping it off on me. That is BS.
DSA can return it DIRECTLY to the owner under the 'gunsmith and factory repair' exception: if you ship a gun to a gunsmith or factory for repair, they can mail it directly back to you.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/atf-...paired-firearm

(The link is ONLY for those that dare go to a Government site.)
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Old December 12, 2017, 23:48   #98
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Well, mine is so warped it's un-usable as is. I can't in good faith sell it to anouther builder, and I'm sure now that I've worked on it it's no longer under warranty. I'm going to just move on and save for a Imbel or FMAP, at least I know a build will only take a hour with one of those.
Rich I am sure others would like to see this receiver. Pictures please so hopefully if DSA Rep does show up here he should feel obligated to explain what we are seeing in the pictures. I am quite interested in how he rationalizes spins a warped receiver.


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Rich I am sure others would like to see this receiver. Pictures please so hopefully if DSA Rep does show up here he should feel obligated to explain what we are seeing in the pictures. I am quite interested in how he rationalizes spins a warped receiver.


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I've already disposed of it. It went to someone with a machine shop and more time to waste than I can spare.
Would dsa have replaced it? Far as I'm concerned wasn't worth the risk of getting anouther bad one.
I'll save up more cash and buy anouther Imbel.
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That loser's been on my ignore list for years, so I didn't see it until you quoted it.

You want to get a custom ground reamer - go for it. Should set you back around $300. How much was the receiver?

I'll continue to flap sand. A demonstration is in my review of DS35660 image 7 in this thread.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=417510
where do you get $300.00 for a custom ground reamer??? a .296" carbide reamer is $59.00.using a flap sander for a LSH?????.......ugh

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