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Old April 13, 2018, 01:32   #1
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Need pictures of C1 & C2 gas plugs, C1 & C1A1 buttstock/buttplate

Per the title, I need pictures of the C1/C1A1 and C2A1 gas plugs as the pictures in the old threads are gone.

I also need pictures of the C1 versus the C1A1/C2A1 buttplate and buttstock.

Trying to finish my last two Canadian builds and need to get the correct parts. Thanks in advance.
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Old April 13, 2018, 01:43   #2
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Some good pics here if you didn't already see them.
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=378971
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Old April 13, 2018, 01:57   #3
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Those work pretty well. So I guess I have both the C2 and C1 gas plugs. I know there was an old thread before that showed the differences but I canít find it and I just want to confirm what I have.

Still need the pictures of the early C1 buttstock and buttplate.
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Old April 13, 2018, 13:46   #4
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I may have misunderstood your post but according to the Canadian Forces tech manuals for the C1, C1A1, C2 and C2A1 they all use the same Plug Assembly, Gas, NSN 1005-21-150-3913, Mfg No. 1503913A
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Old April 14, 2018, 01:08   #5
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I found the pictures of the gas plugs that I had saved in 2009 but I could not find the threads where I got the pictures from.

C1 gas plug for sale from an old thread by SLR-5000 from 2009

[IMG]C1 gas plug slr5000 $45 by tailpipe_cct, on Flickr[/IMG]

C2 GAS PLUG, C1 GAS PLUG IN THE MIDDLE, C2 GAS PLUG

[IMG]C2 GAS PLUG, C1 GAS PLUG IN THE MIDDLE, C2 GAS PLUG by tailpipe_cct, on Flickr[/IMG]

C2 GAS PLUG

[IMG]C2 GAS PLUG by tailpipe_cct, on Flickr[/IMG]


C1/C1A1 pictures taken from a thread by NZ L1A1 Collector posted on January 04, 2003, 15:16


There are 6 variants of Canadian C1 rifle, see inside
CANADIAN C1 RIFLE

[IMG]CANADIAN C.A.I. C1 RIFLE AND BUTTSTOCK by tailpipe_cct, on Flickr[/IMG]

CANADIAN C1A1 8L RIFLE

[IMG]CANADIAN C.A.I. C1A1 8L RIFLE AND BUTTSTOCK by tailpipe_cct, on Flickr[/IMG]

CANADIAN C.A.I. C1A1 8L WITH C2 FRONT SIGHT EARS RIFLE AND BUTTSTOCK

[IMG]CANADIAN C.A.I. C1A1 8L WITH C2 FRONT SIGHT EARS RIFLE AND BUTTSTOCK by tailpipe_cct, on Flickr[/IMG]

CANADIAN C.A.I. C1A1 RIFLE AND BUTTSTOCK WITH C1 BUTTSTOCK

[IMG]CANADIAN C.A.I. C1A1 RIFLE AND BUTTSTOCK by tailpipe_cct, on Flickr[/IMG]

CANADIAN C.A.I. C1A1D (NAVY C1D CONVERTED TO C1A1 STANDARDS) RIFLE AND BUTTSTOCK

[IMG]CANADIAN C.A.I. C1A1D (NAVY C1D CONVERTED TO C1A1 STANDARDS) RIFLE AND BUTTSTOCK by tailpipe_cct, on Flickr[/IMG]

CANADIAN C.A.I. C1D (FULL AUTO NAVY MODEL) RIFLE AND BUTTSTOCK

[IMG]CANADIAN C.A.I. C1D (FULL AUTO NAVY MODEL) RIFLE AND BUTTSTOCK by tailpipe_cct, on Flickr[/IMG]

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Why would the C1 and C2 need different gas plugs?
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Old April 14, 2018, 18:19   #7
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Why would the C1 and C2 need different gas plugs?
I have no idea; I just saved the pictures from a 2009 thread which I now canít find. I found the pictures again on one of my old laptops but the thread itself was not on the laptop. I remembered the thread as I was collecting parts for my two C2A1 kits years ago and subsequently sold both C2A1 kits to pay for daughterís tutoring and tuition bills.
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For reference:

https://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/category.jsp?catid=77523
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Old April 14, 2018, 22:38   #9
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the gas "plugs" labelled as "C2" are from Ex1 & Ex2 "FAL Canada" rifles.
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The gas plug for the C1, C1A1, C2 and C2A1 are the same. No difference at all.
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the gas "plugs" labelled as "C2" are from Ex1 & Ex2 "FAL Canada" rifles.
Awesome. This would explain my confusion as I used to have an EX1 and the old pictures that I saved from an old thread were wrongly identified.

Thanks again for the clarification.
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Old April 15, 2018, 10:50   #12
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Aren’t the C1 buttplates those kinda G1 looking plates on gunbroker?

Here’s one in this thread....

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=426300
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The C1 and C1A1 production butt plates were the same. The metric appearing prototype C1 had a metric type A butt stock with the stamped "U" butt plate.

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More info on C1 and C1A1 buttstock differences from an old thread. Too bad the pictures are gone.
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=182899
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I suggest everyone interested in the differences between the C1 and the C1A1 read: NORTH AMERICAN FAL's by Blake Stevens.

L-R

Early FN EX-series.
T48 (H&R)
Early C1
FAL Metric like the Gi and other trap 50.00
Canadian design C1/C1A1/C2A1



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Early EX butt and butt plate. Also early C1
C1A1 butt and butt plate

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The gas plug for the C1, C1A1, C2 and C2A1 are the same. No difference at all.
That is what I said in post #4!
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OK guys. Problem solved. I know there was a thread listing two different gas plugs for C1 and C2A1. Maybe the original poster was mistaken and I canít find the thread but I did find the pictures that I labeled in 2009 per the thread.

So now I have to find an early C1 buttstock, buttplate, carry handle and handguards unless Flypaper can whip me up a set.
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Keep in mind the early C1 had a metric Type A butt stock with the metric type stamped butt plate and high sights



The C1 production model had an inch type butt stock



Flypaper makes some excellent Canadian inch type hand guards and normal butt stocks. The grain doesn'r matter as the Canadian furniture is stained very dark.

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Dakto.....werenít those early C1s prototypes and not issued rifles? I know snpr41 had a standard early C1 stock that took the Canadian G1 looking plate...
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Dakto.....werenít those early C1s prototypes and not issued rifles? I know snpr41 had a standard early C1 stock that took the Canadian G1 looking plate...
Good question. They were test C1's before the modifications & upgrades were made on the C1 production model. Perhaps there were intermediate C1's?
It is possible the stamped metric type butt plate was fitted on a production C1 before they upgraded to a more durable cast type butt plate.
I'll do some research on it and see what I can find.
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Sorry to say snpr41 doesn't have the butt stock anymore. However, this photo of an early C1 appears to have the flat stamped butt plate as the profile doesn't appear to have the curved feature of the cast butt plate.

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