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Old January 17, 2018, 18:44   #1
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Hornady ELD Match ... 30 cal.

just bought a box of the 155grn. ... I swear I saw a box of 150grn. but when I returned to Academy it was gone ...

I'm aiming for something around the "magic" 2750 fps range ... I'll work up a load and wait until it warms a bit ...

Obviously a Bolt action, bench rest bullet ... just wondered if anyone has tried them in their RiFAL and noticed any improvement in accuracy ...
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Old January 18, 2018, 06:07   #2
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Used a bunch of Hornady ELD 147 gr in my 6.5 Creedmoor with Lapua brass
over Varget and am running in the .25 - .3 moa range.



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Old January 18, 2018, 07:23   #3
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Watcha' usein' fer powder ? I
I'm thinkin' R-15.

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Old January 18, 2018, 08:19   #4
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RE-15 has worked super on some of my .308 loads.
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Old January 18, 2018, 08:57   #5
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I loaded a bunch of those in 3006 for a garand using 4064 with good results around that velocity.
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Old January 18, 2018, 19:20   #6
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Watcha' usein' fer powder ? I
I'm thinkin' R-15.

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I know ... I'm really bad about that sluffin stuff ...

I'm "wondering" about the powder also ... I have many to choose from ... some old and some new (to me) ... maybe next week it will warm up enough to get a couple shots thru the back door chrony ...

anyway ... thanks for all the input guys ...
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Old January 18, 2018, 19:26   #7
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I've run the 178gr. ELD-M in .308. I use LC brass, CCI 200, and 41.0gr. of RL-15.

Runs pretty well through my Win. M70 Heavy Varmint.
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RE-15, Varget or 4064 all work exceptionally well and have about the same burn rate.



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picked up a box of .224 in 75grn. ... prolly run into OAL problems with an AR mag ... we'll see ... !!!

I really need to get back into the bench rest game with a good bolt gun ...

unless you "hand feed" these into a semi-auto the advantage you get with the bullet could be lost ... I won't know until I try ...

it seems that folks have discovered the 6.5mm has the best BC out there ... some of us knew that yrs. ago ... the Swede cartridge just didn't have enough capacity ... things are diff. now

it mostly started with the 6.5/06 wildcat ... now we have the "Creedmore" and others that take advantage of that flat shooting bullet ...

yep ... sell a STG and buy a Bolt 6.5 Creedmore ... sounds like a plan !!!!!!!
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picked up a box of .224 in 75grn. ... prolly run into OAL problems with an AR mag ... we'll see ... !!!

I really need to get back into the bench rest game with a good bolt gun ...

unless you "hand feed" these into a semi-auto the advantage you get with the bullet could be lost ... I won't know until I try ...

it seems that folks have discovered the 6.5mm has the best BC out there ... some of us knew that yrs. ago ... the Swede cartridge just didn't have enough capacity ... things are diff. now

it mostly started with the 6.5/06 wildcat ... now we have the "Creedmore" and others that take advantage of that flat shooting bullet ...

yep ... sell a STG and buy a Bolt 6.5 Creedmore ... sounds like a plan !!!!!!!
Im not following,,,
The creedmore is LESS case capacity then the .260, which is LESS case capacity than the old 6.5x55, which is LESS capacity than the 6.5x06'.
AFAIK, the ONLY thing the creedmore does is allow longer bullets to be used in a 'short .308 size' action.
The .260, 6.5x55 or 6.5x06' in a modern action will all produce higher velocities then the creedmore.
Am I missing something
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Im not following,,,
The creedmore is LESS case capacity then the .260, which is LESS case capacity than the old 6.5x55, which is LESS capacity than the 6.5x06'.
AFAIK, the ONLY thing the creedmore does is allow longer bullets to be used in a 'short .308 size' action.
The .260, 6.5x55 or 6.5x06' in a modern action will all produce higher velocities then the creedmore.
Am I missing something

higher velocity does not equal accuracy ... so ... you're prolly missing the target ...

if it was ALL about velocity the old 6.5-06 might have been the winner ...

short action = stronger = less flexing when fired ...
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A little homework puts the 6.5 Creedmoor out in front for the moment.
I am having a ball with mine. Short action and not really much loss in velocity from the others using the right powders.

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higher velocity does not equal accuracy ... so ... you're prolly missing the target ...

if it was ALL about velocity the old 6.5-06 might have been the winner ...

short action = stronger = less flexing when fired ...
Im just trying to understand what your point was bro...

Seemed like you were complaining about case capacity,,,and then touted the one with the least capacity available..??

My 6.5x06' bench gun shoots in the .3" range,,,I dont feel like Im loosing very much,,,but ymmv...
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Old January 26, 2018, 22:58   #14
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2,750 FPS?
Pffftttttt..........


Virgin Norma,BR2,155 Amax,46.0 Varget,2.800"
Series, 2, Shots:, 5
Min,2878, Max,2895
Avg,2889 ,S-D, 6.8
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Series,Shot,Speed
2, 1, 2878, ft/s
2, 2, 2895, ft/s
2, 3, 2894, ft/s
2, 4, 2891, ft/s
2, 5, 2887, ft/s
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higher velocity does not equal accuracy ... so ... you're prolly missing the target ...

if it was ALL about velocity the old 6.5-06 might have been the winner ...
Nah. 6.5X284 is better than the mall ninja 6.5C
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A little homework puts the 6.5 Creedmoor out in front for the moment.
I am having a ball with mine. Short action and not really much loss in velocity from the others using the right powders.

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Creedmore is versatile but it doesn't win benchrest competitions at the highest levels.
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Fine by me. I have no intention of benchrest competition at any level.
I shoot for my own enjoyment on my home range.



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Old January 28, 2018, 01:18   #18
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Nah. 6.5X284 is better than the mall ninja 6.5C
Rest assured that the folks at Hornady aren't all mall ninjas, and *may* know a thing or two or a bunch more than you do.


6.5x284 is better at going faster. It is also better at burning barrels. Neither one ensures better accuracy.
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Damn Art, you need to get some more shit for your bench. Maybe a field strength meter and a cable modem? Just kidding, I see a lot of easily recognizable stuff there, reminds me of when I was actually a tech. I like your choice for a press, their new stuff doesn't hold a candle to what they used to produce.
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Field strength meter? Wow haven't use one of those is the last 40 years. No need with the advent of some of the different antenna meters like the MFJ 259.
My wife call my little gettaway the hell hole because I have so much junk there.
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If you look very carefully in this photo, you can see an old Lafayette TM-15 field strength meter I have had for over 55 years. The antenna goes up in front of the right meter on a Lampkin and to the left of a Sinadder.



Here is a close up of a tool most have never even seen. I have had this field strength meter since about the time the Soviets launched Sputnik. Does that make it and me both antiques? It is equipped with a Gonset antenna from the 50s.


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I moved up to an MFJ Antenna Analyzer years ago but was not accepted for commercial work or able to be certified annually.



Had to switch to a real piece of equipment to measure frequencies and such. Especially important tuning repeater cans or working on cell equipment.



All a field strength meter does is tell one if exceeding safe power levels but otherwise not good for tuning anything finely. My gun room became a series of rooms with ham shack in reloading room and gun storage in panic room along with food and armor plus a few radios. A man needs a place to retreat or wife will stab him in eye with a fork. Now I have ham shacks at home and work, gun assembly rooms at both and gun/emergency supply storage room af both. Add machine shop and motorcycle assembly room wife just shakes her head.

Keep bills paid and groceries in the house and she pretty much let's me be but she doesn't understand my affinity for ocilliscopes, scope meters and more fluke meters than able to count. She does know when I attach high voltage probe to a meter then take lid off a distribution transformer to leave the room. Buddy of mine's wife came home and found him asleep in floor of ham shack. When he didn't wake up realized was not sleeping. Said he lifted lid off his transformer to see what was making the odd buzzing sound and woke up with a crowd gathered around. He still doesn't know if was out for minutes or hours but got lucky as pole transformers are seldom kind to the human body. Apparently where he had put jumper to tap for voltage needed to run an AM radio station amp was not firmly attached and when he lifted lid off bumped the loose wire. When decide to wire a transformer into your electrical panel to get higher than 240 volts suggest you rethink the idea. My pole pigs now sit in storage building discharged for a rainy day.

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Field strength was mostly used to determine hf radiation patterns in the old days.
I used to use and IFR can't remember the model # spectrum analyzer for tuning cans on my repeater. Especially the reject rods. Man that was a few years ago. I had a 2 meter repeater for years that had great coverage with a couple of station masters mounted with a good vertical separation fed with 1" hardline.
Final ran a pair of 4CX250s in a GE AMp. Main repeater ended up being a Kendacom after many evolutions over the years. I gave the whole set up to a new club that started in the area shortly after no codes hit the waves.
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I have a Motorola Communications System Analyzer on the bench at work. I use it mostly in the "monitor" mode to listen to the local FM station. Seeing the stuff you two guys have sitting on your benches, brings back memories of when I really had to work. Now I'm stuck mostly to facility issues that have nothing to do with my tech certs.
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Best two days of a repeater owners life are day it goes on air and day it becomes someone else's responsibility. D Star repeaters add more issues as have to keep internet link up and configured for reflectors. Takes a team, very few can do themselves.

Work bench collects more dust than gets used lately. Use home shack since did so many upgrades and it's better than work setup now.



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I retired once. Two weeks later I was working for Honeywell, two years later I switched to a small maritime company and have been there for over 15 years.
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I started my retirement in my 20's and plan to work till they carry me feet first out of building. But take off when want and work when want based on quality of jobs and how well they pay. Year following 9/11 so many people were scared to travel international airline tickets dropped to all.ost nothing as did hotels, etc. Took 7 of 12 months off during that time as work slowed due to entire country kind of on pause/reset. Spent a month in France then six weeks in Peru plus a month in Switzerland with.multiple tips to Colorado, Montana, New Hampshire, Quebec and more including desert southwest for extended tour.

Following stock market crash 2008 spent 5 of 12 months travelling and till destroyed back in 2007 then again along with neck and cancer in 2009 took at least four months of every year off for travel, climbing, cycling and skiing. Saw so many people talk about all the stuff was going to do when retired either be too beat up or die before reached retirement decided to slowly take my retirement over the course of life and work when too old and sick to play. So since your posting M1a's how bout one in 6.5 Creedmore



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