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Old January 06, 2015, 09:50   #1
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STG 58 PARATROOPER- ACCEPTABLE PAINT PATTERN?

I am an AK enthusiast, collector, and have built quite a few. I even have competed with my AKs. I have painted some of my AKs, restored others, and even did a few authentic Cam jobs to resemble the camo pattern of a specific time or country. AKs are not as "Sacred" it seems, unless it's a thoroughbred.

Mine is an STG 58 that came into the US around 1990/early 90's. The barrel is a Vienna 1963; everything is Austrian marked, magazines as well. The Lower receiver is an FN paratrooper; IMBEL is the upper receiver which does not have a Date inside the magwell. For reference, here is a pic of my STG 58:



I am interested in either Restoring the STG 58 I have, as best I can.

OR

I am interested in painting the STG 58 in an acceptable pattern, or camo, perhaps the way it would look when it was used in the Austrian, or other militaries.

I have done some research, but can only find the Rhodesian pattern, which I think would compromise the provenance of my rifle.

What acceptable paint/camo patterns are true to the STG 58?????
Where did the STG 58 serve that might offer me ideas???
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Old January 06, 2015, 09:58   #2
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STG58 didn't come in a para version. STGs were parkerized using zinc phosphate.
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Old January 06, 2015, 10:05   #3
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STG58 didn't come in a para version. STGs were parkerized using zinc phosphate.
Thanks!

Ok, so am I clear to do whatever I want to my STG 58 Para?

I will take recommendations. I like the Rhodesian pattern, but if I have a unique rifle, or a 'better than most' then I don't want to desecrate it.

Pardon my FAL ignorance, this is my first of many.
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Old January 06, 2015, 10:35   #4
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You don't have an StG Para. You have a mixmaster Para. It's a great gun for painting, swapping, shooting etc.

A Para typically won't have a bipod or metal hand guards. At a minimum swapping to plastic would be better at the range. Gets hot in SF and if you are at the PBSO range the sun gets the gun even hotter as they won't allow you to pull it off the table between sessions.

May also want to consider buying a standard 50.00 lower to swap for the range. Para stocks hurt.
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Old January 06, 2015, 10:49   #5
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Paint it in Vietnam tigerstripe. Rhodie camo looks like chit to me.
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Old January 06, 2015, 10:54   #6
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Paint it in Vietnam tigerstripe. Rhodie camo looks like chit to me.
I will Investigate that!!!!!
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Old January 06, 2015, 10:56   #7
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Pardon my ignorance, but I can swap my para stock for a regular buttstock??
Yes but it will take some work, not really a quick and easy swap.

As for finish, your rifle isnt an authentic configuration nor is it matching parts so do whatever you see fit. Generally the rhodie rifles were the only ones that were ever camouflaged otherwise it would just be black.
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It's easier to get a complete lower. Para lowers don't usually have the tang for the butt stock and depending on the manufacturer of the para lower, the hole where the recoil tube attaches may be of a differen thread size and pitch.

Not an absolute requirement, but you might also get a standard bolt carrier and top cover to use a standard lower.

Most people usually convert from standard configuration to para.
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Pardon my ignorance, but I can swap my para stock for a regular buttstock??
The simplest thing to do is just swap out the entire lower receiver assembly. Para and standard lower receiver housings are (slightly) different. Your picture shows you have a Type-I lower receiver mated to your Type-III upper. I have a professionally refinished Imbel Type-III lower receiver assembly that would match your upper receiver perfectly.
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Another excellent option to consider would be to sell your frankenpara to me and build your self a proper STG 58. I have a nice STG butt stock you can have to get you started
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Old January 06, 2015, 11:18   #11
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The simplest thing to do is just swap out the entire lower receiver assembly. Para and standard lower receiver housings are (slightly) different. Your picture shows you have a Type-I lower receiver mated to your Type-III upper. I have a professionally refinished Imbel Type-III lower receiver assembly that would match your upper receiver perfectly.


You can't tell, but it's a type II I believe because of the curved cut...am I correct?

The angle is not a 90 degree angle, but a sloping curved angle- this is on the lower Receiver. Do I need both to be type II??

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You can't tell, but it's a type II I believe because of the curved cut...am I correct?

The angle is not a 90 degree angle, but a sloping curved angle- this is on the lower Receiver. Do I need both to be type II??
If it has a curved cut then yes it would be a Type-II lower.

With the better picture I would say you have a South African or Rhodesian lower assembly. The lower receiver cut and lack of sling swivel on the hinge block are tells. The only thing missing is the serial number on the lower (unless that is what is obscured by the breakdown lever).

Is the butt aluminum or hard rubber?
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Type 1, 2 and 3 in that order:



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If it has a curved cut then yes it would be a Type-II lower.

With the better picture I would say you have a South African or Rhodesian lower assembly. The lower receiver cut and lack of sling swivel on the hinge block are tells. The only thing missing is the serial number on the lower (unless that is what is obscured by the breakdown lever).

Is the butt aluminum or hard rubber?
YES! The Serial number is obscured by the takedown lever...here it is:
A 0836


Does that Help?

Also- the Buttstock is a hard Rubber...in pretty good shape.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN??
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YES! The Serial number is obscured by the takedown lever...here it is:
A 0836


Does that Help?

Also- the Buttstock is a hard Rubber...in pretty good shape.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN??
It means its a South African lower assembly.

As someone else mentioned it is a "FrankenFAL" and fits right at home here on the FAL Files. Someone bought an IMBEL upper receiver, screwed on whatever barrel the had laying around, and then bolted on the SA paratrooper lower.

You have a nice paratrooper. Keep it as is and shoot the hell out of it. No sense in making it a safe queen.

If the paratrooper stock beats up your shoulder swap it out for an standard lower you desire. No sense it trying to make things match on a rifle that never matched.
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Old January 06, 2015, 13:03   #16
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Thanks!!!

Now I feel like I can research some Camo patterns, or perhaps have everything parkerized again.
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The lower alone with the folder is worth a pile of cash if it's Belgian.
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Old January 06, 2015, 13:23   #18
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The lower alone with the folder is worth a pile of cash if it's Belgian.
I was told it was Belgian.

How else could I tell??
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Early Belgian lowers had 'lightening' cuts inside the lower receiver. Break the gun open, and look at the walls of the lower receiver for long, longitudinal cuts (about 1/4" wide) on each wall. That would be an easy one. Someone with more Belgian I.D. expertise is going to have to come along and tell you some other stuff to look for.


I didn't know that the release button on the Belgian buttstocks looked like the button you have on your hinge. But I don't know that much on this topic.
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I was told it was Belgian.

How else could I tell??
It's not. It's a South African. The real FN Para lowers were selling for $150, and the SA folder is worth about $150.

So the lower and folder you have on the rifle are worth about $250 ~ $300.

Paint it, shoot it, and enjoy!
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Technically that is the South African Type 1.5 cut lower.
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Early Belgian lowers had 'lightening' cuts inside the lower receiver. Break the gun open, and look at the walls of the lower receiver for long, longitudinal cuts (about 1/4" wide) on each wall. That would be an easy one. Someone with more Belgian I.D. expertise is going to have to come along and tell you some other stuff to look for.


I didn't know that the release button on the Belgian buttstocks looked like the button you have on your hinge. But I don't know that much on this topic.
No Lightening cuts inside the Receiver.
It IS magnetic
No letter "A" or Christmas tree to be found.
Serial number A 0836 right Underneath the Takedown lever on the receiver-----is this the "A" that would mean Argentina???????
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No Lightening cuts inside the Receiver.
It IS magnetic
No letter "A" or Christmas tree to be found.
Serial number A 0836 right Underneath the Takedown lever on the receiver-----is this the "A" that would mean Argentina???????
I'd speculate, based on threads in the past, that the A0836 might designate your lower as one from the "clandestine" contract(s). Produced for Rhodesia with an extra heaping dose of plausible deniability.

What do the professionals say?

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Hi Utah.

I was being funny earlier on your para thread, but I am seriously looking for one. If I were you I would keep it, leave it alone and camo it like your original intention. You can always buy another "standard" rifal later.

If you choose a different route though, I could be interested in the entire rifle or just only the para parts if you took this one back to a standard configuration. I also really do have a nice STG butt stock sitting in a drawer as well.
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I'd speculate, based on threads in the past, that the A0836 might designate your lower as one from the "clandestine" contract(s). Produced for Rhodesia with an extra heaping dose of plausible deniability.

What do the professionals say?

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Spenny.... is this a joke, or is there some truth to this? I'm an AK expert...FALs are new to me.
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Arms embargo on Rhodesia opened up all kinds of shenanigans. FALs from South America and other places around the world showed up there. Very clandestine operations. You have some interesting history there.
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Spenny.... is this a joke, or is there some truth to this? I'm an AK expert...FALs are new to me.
There's some truth to this, as far as I've been able to discern. I have an A-series matching kit that I acquired a few months ago, and I've been curious ever since.

I know at least a few other members here have A-series rifles/lowers as well.

From the snippets I've managed to collect, they were a contract of rifles that were filled by Pretoria (and others) for Rhodesia, but marked with the irregular A-prefix to create a sense of deniability regarding who had manufactured them.

Your selector looks to have a mark on it, does the lower have anything etched on it anywhere else? Possibly on the reverse/right side?

Here's a shot of my lower:



Hopefully if someone has more accurate information, they'll offer it up. I'd love to learn more about them and would be interested in purchasing your lower in the event you choose to match it to the rest of the rifle, and of course if the other guys above me don't snag it first.

Cheers,

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Very good informative thread.

One question it brings to mind for me is ....What is the difference between a type 1 and type 1.5?

FALonious...Got another pic of a 1.5 to add to your excellent Type 1 2 3 comparison pics?
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A 1.5 upper is a 2 without the V at the back. Lowers are same.
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Great info!

I learned a lot from this thread, thanks guys! Bolt56
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As you have probably gathered, what you have is a rifle that has no "correct" configuration. It is an ideal candidate for just having fun with, shooting a lot, and experimenting with. A "mutt" if you will, a favorite breed with many of us

The suggestion to lose the metal HGs in favor of synthetic is a good one. Not only did paras never have metal ones ( but again, if you like them, no problem with keeping them ) but they get hot and uncomfortable very quickly. Very, very few of the 93+ countries that employed FALs ever used metal.

Likewise, the bipod. I am well known for despising the bipod. Heavy, noisy, clunky, non adjustable height, changes point of impact when used. It was designed for a tactical situation which never arose and for which the FAL was not well suited anyway. Another feature that few countries adopted. Again, if you like it, keep it, but that would be a sure sign of a deranged mind

A fair lot of folks don't like the folding stocks, find them uncomfortable to shoot. Strangely, I like them ( another deranged mind ? ). If you find it uncomfortable, I would suggest that if you elect to go with a fixed stock, you go with the standard humpback style buttstock rather than the straight combed StG style. AS others have mentioned, a complete lower swap is by far the easiest, most cost effective way to go. You would also need a bolt carrier and top cover to complete the conversion. Not all that expensive, you would probably end up with a slight profit if you then sold your para parts.
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If the OP is still here, since it is not correct I'd camo it in German flecktarn. I love folding/collapsible stock 7,62 rifles. I always wanted an (incorrect) StG.58 Para to go with my correct matching numbers StG.58.
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stop now

Stop now, do not take your original fal apart.
Get a para kit and start a second fal.
You deserve it, you work for a living.
You must have more than just one.
It's the law here.
You have a spare for your car, you need a spare fal.
Go now, spread the word of the fal.
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Hmm... Since the original poster started this thread in 2015 I wonder how he wound up painting it?
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Hmm... Since the original poster started this thread in 2015 I wonder how he wound up painting it?
LMAO, well I was pulled in by the necrobump....I think I will delete my earlier post....
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I still learned a lot, lol! Bolt56
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I'd still like to know how he painted it.
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Para Stock

I would like to trade You newer style para stock for Your older style stock. I am looking for a para with the button to fold the stock!!
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