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Old October 21, 2018, 18:42   #1
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Someone's long lost Bowie is getting closer to reality...

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Just love the forging process for making knives--it captures my attention and draws me in like a moth to a flame.
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Just love the forging process for making knives--it captures my attention and draws me in like a moth to a flame.




Thanks for all the positive comments. I was really happy with how this came out.
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Progress on the billet today.

The billet is forward bent, so the blade side is the smaller radius side. The lines are marking where I plan to file in serrations alternating on both sides and then I will forge the blade side back out so it is flat and the billet is in final form. Hopefully that will result in a cool pattern in the Damascus.

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That went...not as good as I had hoped. The edge did not expand as much as I expected due to the serrations. So I ended up having to force the spine straight.

Shot of wavy pattern on blade edge (not ground at all in this section yet)


Side shot, hard to see the pattern


Other side


Had to stop and make a new door for the forge front to reduce the heat when at the power hammer


and add a heat shield to the shed door and a swinging door to the outboard side...hopefully I can leave the shed door closed now without turning it into charcoal.
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Old December 05, 2018, 09:55   #10
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Yes, you should have put the grooves for your "ladder pattern" in while the blank was still straight and thicker.
Think about making the end caps of your forge out of soft fire brick. Better heat retention on the inside and also configurable for opening size and can allow for long parts to pass through if needed. It also provides insulation and prevents radiant heat from igniting things like your shed door. On my forge, I made a shelf to support the bricks and a frame to hold them in place that I can tighten up by using nuts on threaded rod to keep them in place. The bricks do wear at the opening from stuff going in and out but are easily replaced. Another handy feature for the forge is a horizontal rail a few inches in front of the opening. I made one from angle iron and drilled a series of holes in it that I can drop a L shaped piece of stock into. A knife blank or other object can then be held in place during the heat by dropping the L shaped piece over the welded on rod of your blank and through the hole in the angle iron. Or it can just rest on the angle iron.
While I haven't done it yet, I have plans (and the materials) to make a chain curtain at the opening of my forge. This also helps to keep heat inside where it belongs and reduces the radiant heat to the operator.
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What I should have done is not bend it as much as I did before cutting the scallops. It did bend back, just not as much as I anticipated.

My experience so far is that grinding/drilling/milling the patter too soon in the refinement process can cause a loss of distinct pattern sometimes. Particularly with raindrop. Twist is obviously immune to this.

Next up is to hack the extra material off the back and then forge it to shape. I will probably use my old 'smithin magician' for that to get better control than the power hammer or my calibrated arm has.
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Layout design...lots of swarf was cogitated before I finally figured out a layout I was happy with.

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Think about making the end caps of your forge out of soft fire brick. Better heat retention on the inside and also configurable for opening size and can allow for long parts to pass through if needed. It also provides insulation and prevents radiant heat from igniting things like your shed door.
I have a moveable piece of soft fire brick coated in ITC100 that I move in and out of the outboard end depending on the size of the piece I am heating. It also prevents damage to any burners I am not using. The door side half door also has this on the inside. The new door is just used at idle.

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On my forge, I made a shelf to support the bricks and a frame to hold them in place that I can tighten up by using nuts on threaded rod to keep them in place. The bricks do wear at the opening from stuff going in and out but are easily replaced. Another handy feature for the forge is a horizontal rail a few inches in front of the opening. I made one from angle iron and drilled a series of holes in it that I can drop a L shaped piece of stock into. A knife blank or other object can then be held in place during the heat by dropping the L shaped piece over the welded on rod of your blank and through the hole in the angle iron. Or it can just rest on the angle iron.
Pics? I usually just light the center burner if I have a long piece that needs the end heated.
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I am hoping to get you some pictures before the weekend is over. In the meantime this is something I found on the web;

https://imgur.com/gallery/VZhWn

My rest has holes drilled vertically for "hold downs".
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Dude needs to finish those welds.
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Damn this is a THICK knife.

I am going to do the blade grinding to get it straight and how I want it and then reduce the tang as necessary to get good balance. Could be a lot of tang grinding.
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Just some pics of a test etch...no new serious work on this blade today.



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Looking good! Sorry about no pictures but I can't seem to figure out dropbox enough to make the pictures public.
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As an example:

you would press the image button and then enter this from dropbox:
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Note that the raw=1 is not the default, so you must change it.
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OK Gazz, this part is for you!



Finally ditched the doors and put a shelf on for firebrick.


As for the knife. One thing that makes me nuts is not having the guard installed in some way that prevents wear allowing it to become loose. On the rasp knife I welded the bolster to the guard and pinned the bolster to the tang. Can't do that here as they are not flush to each other anywhere. I glared at it a lot today and came up with a complicated, but effective way of making it work. If the pic is large enough you might be able to puzzle out the plan. Ignore the large holes in the tang, they are to lighten the handle and allow epoxy to reach the scales.



This may not seem like much progress, but I am stoked to finally be making bits again instead of thinking about how to make them.
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If you are installing a guard, could you heat it up and press it down to the riccasso similar to installing a bearing on a shaft. The compression from the cooled guard should hold it snugly to the tang and be supported by the grip. The width of the tang in the front and back appear to be the same in the picture. Obviously if the back is larger than the front then

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Its amazing how you do this.
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Good improvement on the forge! I will try and post pics rather a working link again.

And nice pattern!


The mortise in your guard should fit tight all around and can't because of the width of the butt. Maybe I'm reading it wrong but that's what it looks like from here.

Don't feel bad about how long its taken you. I have just finished the first blade I ever forged back in 1984! I did some things on it that I since learned not to do and so put it aside.
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The guard arrangement I will try to take detailed pics as it gets assembled.

Tac, that could be done, but finishing the joined pieces would be difficult.

The two advantages of what I am trying to do are:
-the pieces can all be finish sanded and polished/buffed before assembly
-the guard and bolsters are a single unit that is pinned to the blade

The concept is the same as the guard I did for the rasp Bowie, but a bit more complicated as the crossguard is not flush with the width of the bolsters.



That guard is 3 pieces of rectangular steel welded together along the edge facing the camera. On the new one, the cross is wider than the bolster will be, so I am going to cut a notch through the guard and notch the bolster to protrude to the front edge of the guard and weld it there.
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I understand and like the design and concept. But, you definitely couldn't do that in four hours at a strange forge. That buffed finish will definitely highlight the damascus pattern.

What are you going to use for the scales/grip material?
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I like this thread.
Yes, I do also, kinda. Makes me wanna kick myself in the butt, for just leaving all my Forging tools and anvil just gathering dust in my shop. I need to get off my azz and build a propane forge, to start doing this kind of amazing forging. Knife looking great Stimpy!
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I understand and like the design and concept. But, you definitely couldn't do that in four hours at a strange forge. That buffed finish will definitely highlight the damascus pattern.

What are you going to use for the scales/grip material?
Technical answer - scales are stabilized Cocabola...'buyer' request.

Mike,

I think I have discussed this at pains, but...

It is not my intent to make knives in four hours at a strange forge. I am not training for forged in fire...though I do intend to try to play in that sandbox. I dearly hope whatever I make on that show is a pale shadow of what I send to anyone I truly attempt to make a knife for.

My intent is to enjoy, as much as possible, every aspect of this craft. Or maybe all crafts.
As an engineer that means accepting the fact that there will be FAR too much thinking before acting and metric tons of doubt in the plans I make. But also FAR too much acting before thinking, as this is a dynamic hobby, where indecision can be failure.

Assembling things like FALs and jet skis is one thing...and while that thing is therapeutic it is not making. I could (and do, it is my day job) just 'fix' things and that makes me reasonably happy.

The things I want to make in the forge are...different...entirely. I want to make things *I* want made. Not to spec. Not to order (mostly). I want the owners to hold them in their hands and mumble words like "How?" and "Why?"

I don't want to make anything twice, if I can help it.

No.

That's a lie.

The very day I decided to be a bladesmith I did so because there were two blades I wanted to make. The same? Yes and at the same time a resounding NO. One for me...and one for...well, you will have to wait...
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I think I have discussed this at pains, but...

It is not my intent to make knives in four hours at a strange forge. I am not training for forged in fire...though I do intend to try to play in that sandbox. I dearly hope whatever I make on that show is a pale shadow of what I send to anyone I truly attempt to make a knife for.
Simpy, I recall that conversation and that was the reason for my little jab. No offense meant.

You are such a perfectionist; in both the processes and the final product. I marvel how you can take something that is plain and turn it into a masterpiece. I am awed at your skills and at the same time jealous that I could never come close to matching you. I just use you as a guidepost in which I can engage in my hobbies.
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I have to kick my own ass into gear first. Too many damned projects. I'll get back to ya.
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Simpy, I recall that conversation and that was the reason for my little jab. No offense meant.

You are such a perfectionist; .
That made me LOL.

My engineer brothers consider me impulsive. I certainly don't see myself as a perfectionist. You don't have to be a perfectionist to look at something and know it's done wrong or just not done yet.

I just want to make some quality pieces, and I want to be happy with them.

If I go on FIF I know time will be my enemy, but trust me I can turn off the perfection filter. You've seen the 8mm FAL...you know this.
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