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Old May 25, 2018, 21:36   #1
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Flypaper, Flypaper

You have talent on loan from God.


Please don't stop making this stuff.
It even looks great in my crappy pics.
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Flypaper wood on G-1

Very Nice OLDMANPBK. Just one suggestion , Find a Belgium Fal scope mount were the stanag mount goes backward instead of forward like you have so this way you one day don't hit your face or eye on that scope. Who did the paint work? I like it allot. Lee.
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Adam762 built the rifle a while back out of all nos parts. He did a hell of a good job on the paint. I can't fide a flaw in it. I'll take your advice on the scope mount.
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Yep, Flypaper makes great wood and he has rejuvenated the FAL wood furniture single-handedly with accuracy.

What is the finish on the pistol grip and butt stock? Nice.
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What is the finish on the pistol grip and butt stock? Nice.
hkshooter will have to answer that one. I bought the furniture from him last week. He did a great job on it.
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hkshooter will have to answer that one. I bought the furniture from him last week. He did a great job on it.
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That's a custom mix of stains, three colors, and BLO. Red oak, American Chestnut, Gunstock. The handguards are only two colors, delete the red oak.
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Very Nice OLDMANPBK. Just one suggestion , Find a Belgium Fal scope mount were the stanag mount goes backward instead of forward like you have so this way you one day don't hit your face or eye on that scope. Who did the paint work? I like it allot. Lee.
Just turn the scope around.
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That's a custom mix of stains, three colors, and BLO. Red oak, American Chestnut, Gunstock. The handguards are only two colors, delete the red oak.
I like that low satin look without gloss & hard shell oiled look. You did a fine job on the refinish.
This is a Flypaper stock with the straight type grain which is usually seen on metric FAL.
No oil was used on the stock. Just 2 coats of minwax special walnut, 2 coats Chestnut Ridge Walnut with a hint of red and 2 applications of Birchwood/Casey Stock/Sheen & Conditioner to fill any small gaps in the wood and buff.

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I like that low satin look without gloss & hard shell oiled look. You did a fine job on the refinish.
This is a Flypaper stock with the straight type grain which is usually seen on metric FAL.
No oil was used on the stock. Just 2 coats of minwax special walnut, 2 coats Chestnut Ridge Walnut with a hint of red and 2 applications of Birchwood/Casey Stock/Sheen & Condirioner to fill any small gaps in the wood and buff.

That's a beaut! I'm a fan of the BC product you mentioned plus Tru-Oil. Good job on that stock.
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Thanks, sometimes I feel a bit overrated...

I don’t remember all of the stocks I made, but I do remember those two ... I could also tell you that I do name some of them, but that could get a little creepy.

I really do enjoy the initial challenge of making something new, but after I have done them a few times, the “Thrill“ is gone. It’s always fun trying to predict the grain and how some pieces look carved out.

One of the big downsides is my garage always looks like a cave. There’s constantly a layer of dust on everything and blocks of wood everywhere. The other downside is the repetitious work, takes it’s toll on me. I have changed my work patterns and rotate my work every hour or so and keep a couple of projects going.... that seems to help out a lot.

I still don’t plan on making anything next year and will probably take projects on the year after but no guarantees.... I will have enough stuff made to fill most requests well into next year.

Here’s a few pictures of the “ cave “ and a couple of my production process.














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Dean, I will say this; we are fortunate to have you as a member here and with your creative skill in woodworking. Some folks seem to forget the labor of love includes some pain, tolerance and parience.
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Dakto...does the stock conditioner you speak of, fill in the tiny pores ?

I tend to sand down to 600 grit, but it has a tendency to reveal the tiny pores.

I recently shifted to Minwax Tung Oil which has produced great results with minimal effort and coats (versus Pure Tung Oil).

However, I do love the high gloss look, especially on some of FlyPaper's crazy grain patterns !!

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Absolutely agree! Between Dean's gift of producing accurate and amazing new pieces and Paul's gift of miracle repairs we have excellent access to the best there are for whatever wood needs should arise.
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Dakto...does the stock conditioner you speak of, fill in the tiny pores ?

I tend to sand down to 600 grit, but it has a tendency to reveal the tiny pores.

I recently shifted to Minwax Tung Oil which has produced great results with minimal effort and coats (versus Pure Tung Oil).

However, I do love the high gloss look, especially on some of FlyPaper's crazy grain patterns !!

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Graham, fine emery cloth is a good final for prepping the wood.
The Stock, Sheen & Conditioner does seal the wood and I use a few light applications and sometimes top it off with gun wax. Don't rub too hard on new wood oil or stain as SS&C is an abrasive. It is recommended to also rub lightly against the grain to seal all the pores.
You know 6 coats Minwax Tung or 3 coats Truoil will give you all the gloss you want, however you can usually tone it down if desired with S,S&C to a satin finish.
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@ Mr. Fly...
Who's the pretty gal on your cork bulletin board, peeking out from behind the woodpile?

A drill press, a shaper, a router and a lathe?
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Who's the pretty gal on your cork bulletin board, peeking out from behind the woodpile?

A drill press, a shaper, a router and a lathe?
Man, you are a miracle worker!
The pretty girl in the picture is my now transgender son. ... I don’t get it, but I love the kid.


If I couldn’t work miracles with my drill press, shaper, router, wood lathe, table sander and table saw, my old shop teacher would say I wasn’t applying myself.
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Fly, are those rectangle blocks of wood in front of the peg and cork boards for future hand guards? I wonder if you will ever finish all of them?
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Fly, are those rectangle blocks of wood in front of the peg and cork boards for future hand guards? I wonder if you will ever finish all of them?
The pile on the right is for the shorties, they have some sort of flaw on them where I can’t get a full length set. The middle pile has Hectors Canadian sets on top and some burled sets on the bottom. The rest of them in that pile will be ones without tabs eventually. The small pile on the left will be hand guards with tabs. I do plan on getting through some of that pile this year with about 90% success rate... I like to stay optimistic . Not all of them make it. My fourth batch was a disaster and I scrapped the whole lot... I missed took a grain line for a pencil mark on my set up piece. I didn’t realize it until I started to try and put the tabs in... Altogether it was about 100 man hours down the toilet.... which just reaffirms the measure twice cut once method.

You never noticed the stocks lined up on the miter box shelf?

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Yes and there appears to be various sizes unless the ones in the foreground are an illusion. BTW, the Canadian butt stock I received was a perfect cut "Normal" and a perfect fit.
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If I couldn’t work miracles with my drill press, shaper, router, wood lathe, table sander and table saw, my old shop teacher would say I wasn’t applying myself.
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Thanks, sometimes I feel a bit overrated...

I don’t remember all of the stocks I made, but I do remember those two ... I could also tell you that I do name some of them, but that could get a little creepy.

One of the big downsides is my garage always looks like a cave. There’s constantly a layer of dust on everything and blocks of wood everywhere. The other downside is the repetitious work, takes it’s toll on me. I have changed my work patterns and rotate my work every hour or so and keep a couple of projects going.... that seems to help out a lot.

I still don’t plan on making anything next year and will probably take projects on the year after but no guarantees.... I will have enough stuff made to fill most requests well into next year.

Here’s a few pictures of the “ cave “ and a couple of my production process.
I can't believe the quality of work coming out of that tiny shop, Flypaper.
I have a lot of respect for the work you can do without CNC. The look behind the curtain is amazing.

I won a HB stock of yours on GunBroker for cheap, and like a junky I was hooked. You got me a matching foregrip, and soon I will finally have the T48E1 grip and trigger guard I needed to build my dream rifle.
Dream rifle, man. Unobtanium.
I know this is not an unusual story, but I'm building a rifle around a butt stock.
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Here's the ole CNC ready for action.... Circular- N - Cuttin

1954 series Delta table saw with a 6" jointer. Its not a piece you want to move around much.



I'm forced to use the dado blade because its a top cut blade, its easier to sand evenly with the flat surface as a reference.
I cut rear sight shelf before the comb sides so it won't chip at the edge.

Lots of people ask me what type of pantograph I use, I have even been called crazy when I told someone I do it all old-school. A pantograph couldn’t of done many of the cuts that are in the above picture, and that is about half of the work... and it’s the easy part... besides, what type of personal satisfaction does one get from a pantograph?

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Flypaper, you should charge admission just to have FAL Files fellows sit and drink beer while you do your thing.

I'd slip a 20 in your garter.
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Only if you keep your hands to yourself.




I was detailing some stocks today, thought I'd show you a couple more jigs.

My swivel jig on my metric carving frame.



This is a 2 part jig for trapdoor butt plates. It fits tight over the butt plate route. The first one does the shallow cuts with a flush cutting bit...


Next I put the box over it and route the deep section within the box.


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Better clean up that dust, one little spark and ......
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It is so interesting to see the passion of FlyPaper in pictures !!!

This morning around 6.30am; I was lovingly applying another coat of Minwax Tung to a set I'm completing for an STG build, currently in the hands of Mark Graham. Sitting there admiring my own work, I couldn't help but feel FlyPapers's passion being transferred down to my wood.

This is my second set from him (put an amazing set on my unmolested 50.00 Type 3), plus other sets on the way......I'm honored to contribute to his retirement !!

I have used IWD in the past, with success, but we have to realize IWD are in the business of manufacturing wood work for various arms, and they do a good job. In retrospect, FlyPaper is not in the business of manufacturing wood stock sets, he is creating Master Pieces forged from his passion....I'm sure he has plenty of other things going on his life (??).

I have other kits sitting around, which will also be adorned with his work, for as long as he maintains his passion.....

Keep up the great work Dean !!

I might suggest this thread become a 'Sticky', allowing us, and maybe some up & coming new Master to see what it takes to do what our Master does.

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Here's one that did 3 steps in one jig, now it only does 2. I cut the tabs with another similar jig.

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I say charge them 20.00 a head and WAIT FOR IT,MARK THEM CLEAN THE SHOP TOO.
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Hey i have some cedar wood here,2 pcs, 5' and a 4' dia is 6-8" ,can cedar be used to make wood hgs and stocks? Is it too soft,hard,brittle??? I could gladly donate...
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...I could also tell you that I do name some of them, but that could get a little creepy.
Don't we all have a little dark side in us ?

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Did you name any of them Gary?

Not sure if this would be before or after the lapdance. (shudder)

Any chance I could get you to do a Bren Mk1 stock and PG?
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