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Old August 08, 2012, 17:00   #1
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New Zealand Made L1A1 Items Display

Here's a display I put on over the weekend consisting of New Zealand made items for the L1A1 rifle and unique L1A1 ownership markings. Thought you might be interested to see.

The Rifle and Bayonet are marked with New Zealand Ownership markings N /|\Z and the Butt is one of the RNZAF Brass butt disk butts for Wigram Air Base

New Zealand produced a number of its own parts/accessories, mainly to reduce the costs of purchasing original spares from Australia.

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Plastic Handguards
Rear Sling Swivel
Plastic Carrying Handles (Green and Brown)
Brown Plastic Pistol Grip
Is there a Brown Plastic Butt hiding out there somewhere??????









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Old August 08, 2012, 17:08   #2
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Very cool! Thank you!
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Wow,

Cool kit!! I'm amazed that the brown pistol grip and carry handle were found in the States. Its great to be worlds old arms dumping ground.

How often were the neoprene carry handle inserts used? The pics of NZ SAS personnel in Afghanistan carrying SLRs showed they had no carry handles, when did the start pulling off carry handles?

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What's the story with the yellow/green handguards?
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Old August 08, 2012, 22:59   #5
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Wow,

Cool kit!! I'm amazed that the brown pistol grip and carry handle were found in the States. Its great to be worlds old arms dumping ground.

How often were the neoprene carry handle inserts used? The pics of NZ SAS personnel in Afghanistan carrying SLRs showed they had no carry handles, when did the start pulling off carry handles?

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It doesn't surprise me they were found in the US. Approx. 7000+ rifles were ship there, maybe more. We only had 15,000 to start with and only about 2000 of them stayed in New Zealand

The neoprene washer was a NZ Army modification put in place on the 2nd Oct 1980. All L1A1 rifles were to have their carrying handles removed and replaced with the neoprene washer. All Plastic handles were to be returned to Base Supply and the wood handles were to be destroyed.

The SAS were using the best of what the Navy had left of the Ship Line Throwing L1A1 Rifles.
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Old August 08, 2012, 23:00   #6
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What's the story with the yellow/green handguards?
The Yellow handguards are the initial evaluation handguards. They have a smooth finish.
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Old August 08, 2012, 23:54   #7
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Cool stuff, I have always been a fan of the NZ top vented pebble grain handguards
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Did New Zealand ever produce the entire rifles?
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Did New Zealand ever produce the entire rifles?
No, we purchased our 15,000 rifles from SAF Lithgow. It was just late in the piece we made replacement parts because it was cheaper to do so.

The rifles we got were just whatever was coming off the production line at the time, there were no 'special' New Zealand pattern rifles.
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Well,

There may not have been a New Zealand pattern, but a chromelined Lithgow SLR with Brit and NZ plastics is the pinnacle of inch rifles, in my opinion.

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What can you tell us about the orange colour cleaning kit pouch?

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Well,

There may not have been a New Zealand pattern, but a chromelined Lithgow SLR with Brit and NZ plastics is the pinnacle of inch rifles, in my opinion.

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Definitely can't argue with that, +1
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What can you tell us about the orange colour cleaning kit pouch?

Thank You.
As far as I know it was made by the NZ Army's Textile Section at Trentham Camp in Upper Hutt, it was one of 6 found in a plastic bag that was buried at the bottom of a pallet of cleaning kits and miscellaneous gear that was sold off by the army in the early 90's. Believed to be for the Navy's Line Throwing L1A1 Rifle. Might have only been a trial samples of 6?

This is unconfirmed, But I would like to hear from any NZ Sailors that have used the Line Throwing rifles on any of the RNZN ships.
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Well,

There may not have been a New Zealand pattern, but a chromelined Lithgow SLR with Brit and NZ plastics is the pinnacle of inch rifles, in my opinion.

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We had very few chromed line bore rifles in service (180 rifles), 99.9% of our rifles were purchased before a chromed bore became standard in 1965. We purchased the following rifles in 1965 (100), 1968 (50), 1969 (30) I believe the rifles purchased in 1968/1969 were most likely replacements for rifles lost during the Vietnam War.

A typical NZ Service rifle would be a mix of British plastics and wood furniture, no carrying handle, well worn or flogged out condition

OR an Un-issued, un-modified War Reserve 1964 dated rifle.
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I like the yellow handguards. An 18 volt Dewalt L1A1 would be cool.
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I'll feel very content with that 2 L1A1.

How many rifles were purchased in 1964? Have you got a picture of the neoprene washer? Thanks.

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According to Skennerton's records:-
1959 500 Rifles
1960 500 Rifles
1961 4100 Rifles
1962 5100 Rifles
1963 3005 Rifles
1964 2198 Rifles
1965 100 Rifles
1968 50 Rifles
1969 30 Rifles

There seems to be some discrepancies with 1963/1964 figures I think they should probably read 3000 and 2200. But the numbers listed are taken directly from the lists in the book.

Black Oil Resistant Neoprene Washer, 18 mm x 9 mm x 5 mm (purchased from local civilian supplies). Thanx BC
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I've found your old post: Washer, Neoprene, Oil Resistant, Black, 18 mm x 9 mm x 5 mm

Unfortunately, to find a washer in this size or close enough seems to be a problem now. What was it made for originally?

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A typical NZ Service rifle would be a mix of British plastics and wood furniture, no carrying handle, well worn or flogged out condition
Am I correct the colors should also be a mix of parkerized major parts and a few black-paint-finished small parts?
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OMG I love that brown carry handle.
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Am I correct the colors should also be a mix of parkerized major parts and a few black-paint-finished small parts?
Correct, The standard for refurbishment was to be phosphated and then any new parts added would be how the factory had finished them phosphated or black, what ever was in the spares box. Ohhh and add to that a splattering of British marked spare parts.
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According to Skennerton's records:-

1964 2198 Rifles
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Are known serial numbers of these rifle?
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Well,

This is one of my favorite threads. So much great kiwi SLR knowledge condensed right here.

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If they took off all the handles why did they come with the nz kits?
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As far as I know it was made by the NZ Army's Textile Section at Trentham Camp in Upper Hutt, it was one of 6 found in a plastic bag that was buried at the bottom of a pallet of cleaning kits and miscellaneous gear that was sold off by the army in the early 90's. Believed to be for the Navy's Line Throwing L1A1 Rifle. Might have only been a trial samples of 6?

This is unconfirmed, But I would like to hear from any NZ Sailors that have used the Line Throwing rifles on any of the RNZN ships.

Navy used standard NZ Army issue kits. No Orange\yellow kits. There is a multi purpose Case Maintenance Black S\A 8465-98-204-5426 P\No CMSA 1326/420 produced by Miles Mfg Auckland modelled on the M16 case. The same case is utilised for the Benelli M3A1NZ. The change occurred because existing stocks of the Aust. Kit rolls were becoming a sticky mess because of the "varnish" coating breaking down.
The L1A1 washer was VITON supplied by Kapiti coast washer supplier.

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It doesn't surprise me they were found in the US. Approx. 7000+ rifles were ship there, maybe more. We only had 15,000 to start with and only about 2000 of them stayed in New Zealand

The neoprene washer was a NZ Army modification put in place on the 2nd Oct 1980. All L1A1 rifles were to have their carrying handles removed and replaced with the neoprene washer. All Plastic handles were to be returned to Base Supply and the wood handles were to be destroyed.

The SAS were using the best of what the Navy had left of the Ship Line Throwing L1A1 Rifles.
The Squadron only ever trialled a number of RNZN L1 against the then SR25 evaluation as a reason to switch. The Squadron modified a small number of the last rifles returned from RNZN after Navy picked over the remaining rifles and settled on the required number for the fleet. Navy, like Air were directed to return a number of L1 to Army to keep Army in L1 prior to the switch to IW Steyr.

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Great y18376, thanks for the confirmation on Navy use of the standard cleaning kits. I wonder what the purpose was for these Orange cleaning kits?

Maybe it was for a trial of material?
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Cool stuff, I have always been a fan of the NZ top vented pebble grain handguards
Hi, Top vent black maranyl Aramid nylon 66 pebble grain handguards are 1st generation handguards supplied by UK. The Top vents were removed for the second generation handguards when realised the heat shimmer from barrel created sight picture issues. Typically only they will have Mfr date markings.
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We had very few chromed line bore rifles in service (180 rifles), 99.9% of our rifles were purchased before a chromed bore became standard in 1965. We purchased the following rifles in 1965 (100), 1968 (50), 1969 (30) I believe the rifles purchased in 1968/1969 were most likely replacements for rifles lost during the Vietnam War.

A typical NZ Service rifle would be a mix of British plastics and wood furniture, no carrying handle, well worn or flogged out condition

OR an Un-issued, un-modified War Reserve 1964 dated rifle.
Looks like RNZN have all the chrome lined bore Rifles ! !
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Hi, Top vent black maranyl Aramid nylon 66 pebble grain handguards are 1st generation handguards supplied by UK. The Top vents were removed for the second generation handguards when realised the heat shimmer from barrel created sight picture issues. Typically only they will have Mfr date markings.
The top vent handguards were designed and produced in New Zealand. The Trials handguards (Yellow) fit perfectly, but when they did the textured black production version they somehow managed to make the mould 0.030 inches (yes 0.762 mm) too long! There was an instruction put out in February 1986 W327-5 "Modification to NZ Pattern Handguards" detailing the method of shrinking the handguards in a "furnace or oven with an accurate temperature control."

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I've found your old post: Washer, Neoprene, Oil Resistant, Black, 18 mm x 9 mm x 5 mm

Unfortunately, to find a washer in this size or close enough seems to be a problem now. What was it made for originally?
It's cut rubber/nylon hose.

I've got a bunch I would like to dump, now that I had them made of steel.
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The top vent handguards were designed and produced in New Zealand. The Trials handguards (Yellow) fit perfectly, but when they did the textured black production version they somehow managed to make the mould 0.030 inches (yes 0.762 mm) too long! There was an instruction put out in February 1986 W327-5 "Modification to NZ Pattern Handguards" detailing the method of shrinking the handguards in a "furnace or oven with an accurate temperature control."

1005-98-106-8320 Guard, Hand, Plastic Right
1005-98-106-8321 Guard, Hand, Plastic Left
My apologies, I stand corrected.Obviously a case of weekend brain fade even though the instruction is at the back of the folder. Interestingly they were grouped back to the original NSN and some of the Uk sourced handguards have the hand written 98 NSN.

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That's ok, I've been known to be wrong at times too.

Do you spend your days fishing off the wharf at Onetaunga Bay
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That's ok, I've been known to be wrong at times too.

Do you spend your days fishing off the wharf at Onetaunga Bay
Or thursdays on the range at Waiuku. On sunny day with a southerly its hard to beat.
Keep meaning to look out those sling NSN'
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