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Old May 17, 2019, 09:56   #351
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The reason why meds are cheaper in other countries, is that the Govt's there, like CANADA, susbsidize the end cost to their consumer; and then the corrupt pharmacies pass the savings on to Americans who order the stuff, like they were citizens of that country.

All Drugs sold here, come not from the Big Pharma Corporations, but from middle man distributors, who then sell to the big Drug chains.

List Prices set by the Drug Maker are negotiated down by the Middle Men Distributors, who buy the pills. The pills are then purchased...AGAIN AFTER NEGOTIATION ON PRICES............to Walgreens, Walmart, etc etc. Middle men make huge profits.

Now Medicaid and Medicare also enter the picture.

The Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services is a Fed Agency, and they set prices that will be paid by their Agency, thru the middle men, to Walgreens, etc.
States also have agreements on the prices that will be paid too, as their share of the medicaid drug costs affect their bottom line too.

Everyone is in the drug price situation, regulating things, including the famous EPI PEN. No one wants to make it..........no one. So there are maybe two mfs who make it and not very reliably. The high cost reflects low production difficulties, as the stuff has a shelf life of only 18 months.

The entire complaints over buying food or paying the rent instead of buying prescriptions is true, but when you only make $750/mo on Medicare Disability, well you are fucked...the gov't will not give it to you free.
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The reason why meds are cheaper in other countries, is that the Govt's there, like CANADA, susbsidize the end cost to their consumer; and then the corrupt pharmacies pass the savings on to Americans who order the stuff, like they were citizens of that country.

All Drugs sold here, come not from the Big Pharma Corporations, but from middle man distributors, who then sell to the big Drug chains.

List Prices set by the Drug Maker are negotiated down by the Middle Men Distributors, who buy the pills. The pills are then purchased...AGAIN AFTER NEGOTIATION ON PRICES............to Walgreens, Walmart, etc etc. Middle men make huge profits.

Now Medicaid and Medicare also enter the picture.

The Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services is a Fed Agency, and they set prices that will be paid by their Agency, thru the middle men, to Walgreens, etc.
States also have agreements on the prices that will be paid too, as their share of the medicaid drug costs affect their bottom line too.

Everyone is in the drug price situation, regulating things, including the famous EPI PEN. No one wants to make it..........no one. So there are maybe two mfs who make it and not very reliably. The high cost reflects low production difficulties, as the stuff has a shelf life of only 18 months.

The entire complaints over buying food or paying the rent instead of buying prescriptions is true, but when you only make $750/mo on Medicare Disability, well you are fucked...the gov't will not give it to you free.
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Okay for decades Canucks have been able to walk in and buy low level Narcotics off the shelf dirt cheap just as you can in most nations
Here we are forced to go to a clinic, get a permission slip then pay like 800% more for mostly the same shit.

Nobody subsidizes that
It's over the counter
and don't get me started on Hospital charges for Pharma
I about exploded the last time moms was in there
15 bucks a pop for baby Asprin
dad thought they were going to call the Popo on me, I was Damn' loud & proud, rather vulgar with the Doc and billing staff

Do you seriously think foreign nations have their own pill mills producing generics ? FANTASY brother
much of it's third world making

One thing we need to do is remove the DEA from any and all process
Second stop the privatization of what should remain public patents. When tax payers fund the bulk of the research and development it's not your patent
I detest Corporate Welfare
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but sedgeway sorta' back to the Israel situation:

They could try the Chinese approach.
The PRC has been extremely suppressive the Western often Islamic slants
Straight up re-education camps, etc

Well they recently flipped a new bird
They are encouraging intermarriage between Han Chinks and the Muslims !
Yeah you intermarry the two of you get a bit over a grand a year for a five year period !
Trust me, that's a chunk of cash in the rural PRC

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...cid=spartanntp

The PRC is going to Romanize the nation with cash bribes
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Wrestling with god! As it's been described to me - trouble is in any wrestle/discussion/argument - there is an implied victor. As to who that might be, is not always apparent - there can be only one victor and that assures that there will be a loser.
War, is the consequence of the failure to converse/discuss/argue/fight ..........Extrapolate from insufficient data!
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That Torpedo wasn't launched at you, I don't see you as either stupid or an asshole bubs'
I apologize you took it that way. My bad for not being more clear
Haha been there. Recently too.
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Haha been there. Recently too.
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This explains the pales and the PLO pretty good.

https://amgreatness.com/2019/05/16/d...-anti-semites/

Folks wer highly concerned at the end of WWII,,,,nothing changes.
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This explains the pales and the PLO pretty good.

https://amgreatness.com/2019/05/16/d...-anti-semites/

Folks wer highly concerned at the end of WWII,,,,nothing changes.
well that website is quite the load of steaming Horseshit
both Republicans and Democrats supported the Muslim Brotherhood as a counter to Soviet supported Arab Bathist Socialism
We both know how well that worked out
We created militant Islam through our fookin' CIA during the Cold War as our proxy.

You must be a few bottles deep into the Manischewitz to even post such a link friend
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well that website is quite the load of steaming Horseshit
both Republicans and Democrats supported the Muslim Brotherhood as a counter to Soviet supported Arab Bathist Socialism
We both know how well that worked out
We created militant Islam through our fookin' CIA during the Cold War as our proxy.

You must be a few bottles deep into the Manischewitz to even post such a link friend
Yea right, whatever Jim.
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well that website is quite the load of steaming Horseshit
both Republicans and Democrats supported the Muslim Brotherhood as a counter to Soviet supported Arab Bathist Socialism
We both know how well that worked out
We created militant Islam through our fookin' CIA during the Cold War as our proxy.

You must be a few bottles deep into the Manischewitz to even post such a link friend
The US did not create militant islam, the child and goat rapist known as mohammed did that. Islam is militant by its very nature.

ETA the goats. Can't forget the goats, they get lonely. Don't believe it? Np, just ask a muzz ...
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Bubba - so what created the conditions that formed Christianity? - yes oppression! Same thing occurred with islam - you have to understand this or remain in a cloud of delusion created by your own failure to learn!
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Bubba - so what created the conditions that formed Christianity? - yes oppression! Same thing occurred with islam - you have to understand this or remain in a cloud of delusion created by your own failure to learn!
Not really. Are you suggesting that oppression is a necessary, or even serious motivator for a new religion to take hold?
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Bubba - so what created the conditions that formed Christianity? - yes oppression! Same thing occurred with islam - you have to understand this or remain in a cloud of delusion created by your own failure to learn!
It was an underground development that spread throughout the Roman Empire, mostly because of Paul the Apostle. Christians officially stopped being oppressed when the emperor Constantine converted.
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RSS, on the drugs, you are so far wrong, I do not know where to start, except for you to re-read my post and do some research.

You are spreading misinformation, disinformation and total bullshit about something you have no concept about at all.

Don't tell me that your uncle owns a pharmacy, and that all drugs are made for .01 cent a pill by black magicians.

It is EXACTLY as I say.

You CAN order stuff from India, yet, and Mexico, but is increasingly subject to Customs inspections.

Your state has an agreement with the pharmacy chains about prices medicaid patients pay for scripts.

It is all overseen and regulated by the CMMS-- a Fedgov agency. The reason why, is that the pharmacies would not sell at a loss to poor folk, and not handle Medicaid patients at all, unless the "floor" prices are negotiated.

CMMS is also constantly inspecting and regulating the big Pharma Mfg'ers, AND have offices in their HQ's, JUST LIKE THE IRS has permanent offices in their main HQ's, too.

Jeeze, you must have gotten you info from some old Nazi, as it is not from this dimension of reality, or anywhere close to accurate about anything concerning the Big Pharma............ except walking across the border and buying Canadian Gov't subsidized drugs that are made IN AMERICA,.......IN AMERICA, and sold by big pharma Mfg;s here, to the Canadian Gov't and then sold at a loss to Canadian script holders.
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It was an underground development that spread throughout the Roman Empire, mostly because of Paul the Apostle. Christians officially stopped being oppressed when the emperor Constantine converted.
Which was when that Catholicism became Romanised - the co option, the new state sanctioned religion! Council of Nicea - some 325 years later, which survived until Protestant-ism came to bare!
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It was an underground development that spread throughout the Roman Empire, mostly because of Paul the Apostle. Christians officially stopped being oppressed when the emperor Constantine converted.
Ok then, so the muzzies ain't 'oppressing' christians right now in the ME? Or how about the atheists right here in the good ol' us. of a? How about the way the commies treat 'em in places like China and NK?

Given that oppression seems to coincide with the decrease in the popularity of a religion, rather than the reverse just offhand I'd say the facts suggest that the growth of a new religion, rather than being caused by oppression is inhibited by it. More recently Mormonism comes to mind, that stuff didn't really take root hard until they got to Utah. Been growing leaps and bounds ever since.

Still trying to get to what Trip and RSS are suggesting, that somehow there would not be Christianity without the Coluseum? Or that oppression of the muzzies was somehow related to it's spread? Because if this is it I really can't remember when I've heard a more nonsensical suggestion. I probably have, I post here after all. But it's been a long damn time I can tell ya.
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Ok then, so the muzzies ain't 'oppressing' christians right now in the ME? Or how about the atheists right here in the good ol' us. of a? How about the way the commies treat 'em in places like China and NK?

Given that oppression seems to coincide with the decrease in the popularity of a religion, rather than the reverse just offhand I'd say the facts suggest that the growth of a new religion, rather than being caused by oppression is inhibited by it. More recently Mormonism comes to mind, that stuff didn't really take root hard until they got to Utah. Been growing leaps and bounds ever since.

Still trying to get to what Trip and RSS are suggesting, that somehow there would not be Christianity without the Coluseum? Or that oppression of the muzzies was somehow related to it's spread? Because if this is it I really can't remember when I've heard a more nonsensical suggestion. I probably have, I post here after all. But it's been a long damn time I can tell ya.
Nope, you must be Cornfuzed, I made no such suggestion anywhere ever
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Nope, you must be Cornfuzed, I made no such suggestion anywhere ever
Cool, just making sure. Thanks for the clarity.

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The US did not create militant islam, the child and goat rapist known as mohammed did that. Islam is militant by its very nature.

ETA the goats. Can't forget the goats, they get lonely. Don't believe it? Np, just ask a muzz ...
It may have not created it but it coopted the radical militancy of the Egyptian Moslem Brotherhood as a proxy.

This started in the 1950s when Nasser's Nationalism was seen as a potential threat to Western designs. When Egypt became a Soviet client State, all bets were off. Nasser executed the leadership, jailed 100s and kicked the rest out.

After that they migrated into Syria, tried to take over a city and establish a Islamic City State. Well the elder Assad warned them, the Brotherhood gave him the stiff middle finger. Eventually Assad surrounded the city with heavy Artillery, reduced it to smoldering rubble & ash.

Under pressure from our CIA the Saudis took in a few thousand of the radical Egyptians who became the new core the Whahhabist movement.
They are the ones behind Al Queda & ISIS bubs, not Iran
They were and remain neck deep inside Hamas which was partially set up by the Israelis as a proxy against the PLO
Yeah there's a ton of shit games being played

Reminder, the Blind Sheik from Egypt who was the spiritual leader behind the 1st WTC attack ?
Moslem Brotherhood senior leadership

Oh and Hillary's Arab Spring horseshit ?
That was all to place the Brotherhood in active control of Egypt

Bin Ladin ?
Well let's just say he got pissed over being used as a CIA tool
Al Queda started out as a hammer to organize the Afgan Mujahadeen against the Soviets, hell American Tax Payers built much of his Tora Bora complex

Remember the huge stink Schumer was giving over .50 Barret rifles that had been recovered from Al Queda stockpiles ?
Old man Barret went right on 60 Minutes, flatly stated the SNs all traced back to M82s sold to DoD...Fancy that eh'
Back story was Clinton's CIA was furnishing M82s to Al Queda in Kosovo who were there as the tail end of the network arming up the KLA and training them. As usual not all the weapons supplied ended up where they were intended.

Bin Ladin's anger at America was razor focused
During Desert Storm HW Bush promised once we sent the Iraqis home we would withdraw all troops from Saudi Arabia. Osama waited patiently for years then started releasing lengthy letters in the late 90s well before the 911 strikes. Nothing was done so he went rouge on us.

This is all part of why I had to call my friend Paul's link out as complete Horseshit

What get's me is all the fookin' retards who claim ISIS, Al Queda, etc are Iranian ran operations. They are Sunni movements
Hamas is Sunni as well but they are way off the reservation these days

Remember, the PLO was a Soviet client, Hamas was initially set up as a proxy to oppose them.

Don't get me even started on the Taliban

before anyone wants cites I suggest they read both of Viktor Ostrovosky's excellent works. He was a former Case Officer in the Mossad, was neck deep in the creation of Hamas. He wrote two tell all books that allegedly placed him on an Israeli Assassination list for violations of their official secrets act after he fled to Canada. Canuck CSIS took the intel on the open execution orders seriously enough that he was assigned permanent security details.

This post is what I refer to as slapping folks upside the cocksucker with a dead fish. None of it is tinhattery conspiracy horseshit it's just what goes on
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RSS, on the drugs, you are so far wrong, I do not know where to start, except for you to re-read my post and do some research.

You are spreading misinformation, disinformation and total bullshit about something you have no concept about at all.

Don't tell me that your uncle owns a pharmacy, and that all drugs are made for .01 cent a pill by black magicians.

It is EXACTLY as I say.

You CAN order stuff from India, yet, and Mexico, but is increasingly subject to Customs inspections.

Your state has an agreement with the pharmacy chains about prices medicaid patients pay for scripts.

It is all overseen and regulated by the CMMS-- a Fedgov agency. The reason why, is that the pharmacies would not sell at a loss to poor folk, and not handle Medicaid patients at all, unless the "floor" prices are negotiated.

CMMS is also constantly inspecting and regulating the big Pharma Mfg'ers, AND have offices in their HQ's, JUST LIKE THE IRS has permanent offices in their main HQ's, too.

Jeeze, you must have gotten you info from some old Nazi, as it is not from this dimension of reality, or anywhere close to accurate about anything concerning the Big Pharma............ except walking across the border and buying Canadian Gov't subsidized drugs that are made IN AMERICA,.......IN AMERICA, and sold by big pharma Mfg;s here, to the Canadian Gov't and then sold at a loss to Canadian script holders.
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you are High on your own Supply V

First off, BPS is lucky to inspect one parcel out of 500 in overseas shipments
they just don't have that kind of Manpower to handle the volume of international parcels or the equipment.

Want some in your face evidence ?
MDMA known on the street as Extacy or just X or Molly is available in most American communities these days
About zero is manufactured in underground labs in America much less Mexico
The bulk is mailed in from Europe.
Cost in the Netherlands is as low as 25 cents a dose in quantity. Street price here often over ten a hit.
Flat truth is millions, maybe billions of hits a year get mailed in and reach destination.

Spice, Bath Salts, synthetic Opiods like Fentyenal are shipped in from China in massive amounts.

20 years ago or more it was a bit different, back then there just wasn't the volume of international personal business...Americans were simply uncomfortable ordering anything from outside our Nation...I made serious cash over all that paranoia. Sometimes pre internet parcels took awhile, stuck in Customs but once the global market blew up the World got much smaller and Customs/BPS just couldn't keep up.

I bet there are dozens of filers ordering limp dick pills from overseas vendors
I truly believe you are just a bit ignorant, living in the past when yes things were a bit different V
That's not meant as any slam at you either. I have been importing crap in since the mid 70s. Used to import switchblades in from Europe. Back in the 70s I lost a few parcels to Customs, would get the ole' form letter regarding seizure.

Today what happens is BPS becomes aware of an issue and targets everything they notice from an overseas Vendor.
An example of that was the brief drama over high power laser pointers on Amazon. The Feds ordered samples, noted the shipping labels and flashed it to processing facilities.

As far as Pharma
No argument with some of your points however again you just don't get much of the global market.
Not really that many nations subsidize Pharma
Just a few in the West
Take AOCs bitch regarding Truvada
She was likely dumb using Australia but I wager it's even less expensive in the PI, India, China, the Russias, etc where no subsidies exist.

Shit's just cheaper
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Which was when that Catholicism became Romanised - the co option, the new state sanctioned religion! Council of Nicea - some 325 years later, which survived until Protestant-ism came to bare!
What's rebellious and underground eventually goes mainstream.
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Yes that is a process of co-option - except when you throw the Inquisition in, the reason for co-option becomes clear - Control! Catholicism was a common persons religion - universal, and state free. Imagine it took until 1776 to then again have a separation of church and state. Organized religion is there only to sanctify the rulers.
When the state is the religion, or there is little or no difference between them - it's almost a kin to that old tenant - 'I don't care who makes the laws, just give me control of the debt/hearts and minds'!
It's in the New Testament Bible somewhere, where Jesus says you don't need a church to practice your faith - you experts will know! He also says 'something' about standing on 'street corners' as well!
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Cool, just making sure. Thanks for the clarity.

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Well to be clear, Islam was only suppressed at it's inception when the Prophet was still above dirt. Good share of the Quran is about that early period of suppression in Arabia.

Christianity was a different matter
Rome hated this branch of the Hebrew faith, went after it hard for a few reasons we can get into if you want to.
So why did Rome adopt it ?

Okay, it's a fair question...
Christianity had taken root prior to 100 AD in England per Vatican tradition via the legendary Joseph of Aramathea.
Then there are claims Jesus & Mary migrated to present day France
at any rate within a couple hundred years Christianity had spread across many of the former territories of Imperial Rome

Constatine's solution was to become the leader of this new Barbarian faith to place former Roman lands back under his control as the personal voice of G-d
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