Background check

[oleblu72]

Well I've done it three time and have been delayed a week all three times its getting to be a pain in the rear. But this last time was different my FFL who I've used on all three purchases copped an attitude on me. Went on a rant about having the gun sitting around for a week and if this happens again he's going to charge me storage on the purchase and if I didn't like it TOUGH .This came totaly out of the blue he never mentioned that I was being a pain in his rear before. I told him I had nothing to do with this if he wants to blame someone blame the people that makes all this BS happen.

I thought about doing the voluntary information check with the fingerprints and all but to tell you the truth I don't trust these people. I guess they keep this info they get for forever and I don't know if I like that. I keep thinking they'll get the info screwed up with somebody else and either lose my gun or end up in prison. Maybe I'm just getting paranoid I'm only a truck driver. Talk about getting profiled you drive by the cops with a dump truck and its like hey buddy why don't you bring that dump truck over here so I can check your weight.

I don't know what do you guys think I know the Feds can be tough on you guys with your FFL's but I kinda thought this guy was out of line.

Mark

[nwobhm]

Storage fee huh? What a jerk. Find a new FFL.

[oleblu72]

That was quick I just posted. It was the way he said it this guy was not a happy camper. There's no way Ill go back to him, he told me next time I buy a gun to have this straightend out. I did a search on other background checks on the Files and its amazing what I found. It sure looks like these people haven't a clue on whats going on and this goes all the way up to Eric Holder and higher maybe.

I can't beleive these guys let two thousand guns walk across the border and lose them and thes idiots want to make and enforce the rules on our firearms.

Mark

[ruinator]

I had the same problem initially. I found 2 issues, same or similar name of a dirt bag will cause a delay. The other one, which is what got me was I had a security clearance (many years ago). I was told that can cause a delay, for some nonsense reason. After the second time it stopped.

ABSOLUTELY get a new FFL.....he is DB

my .02, good luck

[oleblu72]

When I searched this on the Files I found some posts that said just by switching FFL's everything went smoothly. I think I will do this before I volunteer anything.

Mark

[Jaxxas]

Any chance your name is Charles Manson?

[oleblu72]

I think it must be when I'm driving my dump truck, for some reason we're popular with the cops its a revenue thing .

Mark

[N4KVE]

You did put your social security # on the 4473, right. It certainly does help to keep all the Jim Smith's from being confused with each other. You need to find another gunstore. He's a dirtbag. GARY N4KVE

[prosecond]

i never use my ssn.

[oleblu72]

Originally Posted by N4KVE

You did put your social security # on the 4473, right. It certainly does help to keep all the Jim Smith's from being confused with each other. You need to find another gunstore. He's a dirtbag. GARY N4KVE

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Yeah its on there thats why I have a hard time believing after 3 trys they still can't get it right.

Mark

[Insider]

Don't feel bad, there are 7 people in town with the same name as mine, and three are felons! I used to get delayed, or rejected all the time until I started using my full name and SSN. Better yet, just do private sales.

[L Haney]

Here in Georgia if you have a current Weapons Permit there is no background check. They put the info from that ID on the form and that's all she wrote.

Then again, to get that permit you get finger printed and BG checked out the ass.

[hawk962]

Same process for NC.

[Blackmore]

Get a UPIN if this keeps up.

[oleblu72]

Originally Posted by Blackmore

Get a UPIN if this keeps up.

What is this Blackmore a personal i.d. number? If thats what it is I would think my s.s.# should be all I need.

Mark

[Holdn4aces]

Unique Personal Identification Number (UPIN)

You fill out an application for a UPIN, which is basically giving them permission to keep a record for you. I believe you have to submit fingerprints from your local sheriffs office as well.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nic...sked-questions

Be aware that it could take up to 5 months to process.

[oleblu72]

Thanks for the link Aces and also the reply its appreciated.

Mark

[2barearms]

Do CHL's there still have to do NICS?

[tac-40]

Do CHL's there still have to do NICS?

If you are asking if a Concealed Permit Holder has to submit to the NCIC Insta Check, that depends on the State. In SC, if you have a valid and current CWP, you do not have to submit the NCIC check. Your CWP number is recorded on the 4473.

Second on getting a Unique ID number. The problem with the NCIC check is that they do not research the name and DOB given closely at the time of purchase/request. If it pops up in the computer then you are delayed or denied. Some one who used a name like yours, your DOB or even your SSN can cause the delay or denial. Unfortunately it is up to you to resolve the issue. And that takes time. Right now, my local shop is seeing the appeal process and UID applications take 4-6 months. And that is after you find out if you have a clean record.

Even if your record isn't squeaky clean, you can correct it depending on State law. Most non felony arrests and/or convictions can be expunged from your record if they are old incidents. However, this often takes the work of a lawyer to handle the requests and paperwork.

[mouthpiece]

Why are they holding it for a week? With a "delay", They can only hold it for 3 busines days and then it is yours . Dealer must not know what he is doing.

[oleblu72]

Originally Posted by mouthpiece

Why are they holding it for a week? With a "delay", They can only hold it for 3 busines days and then it is yours . Dealer must not know what he is doing.

Went through the check 3 times and every time I had to wait a week. Next time I'm using a different FFL and see if it goes any better.

Mark

[Orion the Hunter]

Want to fight fire with fire? Wait until you successfully have your firearm in your home and in your hands...then post the Rude FFL Bastards name, business and phone number on this site. If enough people call him to quiz his attitude and projection, maybe he will wake up.

I have run into FFL holders who think they are all-powerful idiots. Don't use them again, and be sure to pass his name, FFL # and business on so the rest of us don't use him as well!

[oleblu72]

Originally Posted by Orion the Hunter

Want to fight fire with fire? Wait until you successfully have your firearm in your home and in your hands...then post the Rude FFL Bastards name, business and phone number on this site. If enough people call him to quiz his attitude and projection, maybe he will wake up.

I have run into FFL holders who think they are all-powerful idiots. Don't use them again, and be sure to pass his name, FFL # and business on so the rest of us don't use him as well!

If I did that to him it would probably make him happier than duck crap, get all his tatoos all out of joint. My luck he's probably good friend with all the FFL's around my area then I would be doomed.

Mark

[aardq]

Don't understand the need for a UPIN when you put your Op # on the form. Isn't that unique enough?

Mark, did he order the gun for you or are you buying out of his stock? If out of stock, I'd tell him that I changed my mind.

[oleblu72]

Originally Posted by aardq

Don't understand the need for a UPIN when you put your Op # on the form. Isn't that unique enough?

Mark, did he order the gun for you or are you buying out of his stock? If out of stock, I'd tell him that I changed my mind.

No I bought the gun at a on line auction so this would not be an option. Yeah I don't understand it either you would think if they had your ss# there wouldn't be a problem. After reading what happened to some of the Files members on their background check maybe I can understand. They must be tossing a coin when they do the checks.

Mark

[littlematt]

Don't put your ssn# on the next one. It may help. Oddly enough i've seen that work at the shop i work at. Can't hurt to try.

Find another shop

We have guys that know they get delayed so they come in and fill out the form when they order it so by the time it arrives they are clear.

[oleblu72]

Originally Posted by littlematt

Don't put your ssn# on the next one. It may help. Oddly enough i've seen that work at the shop i work at. Can't hurt to try.

Find another shop

We have guys that know they get delayed so they come in and fill out the form when they order it so by the time it arrives they are clear.

Don't you have to use your SS# on a background check?

Mark

[N4KVE]

Originally Posted by oleblu72

Don't you have to use your SS# on a background check?

Mark

Only if the purchaser wants to, however if the customer is hesitant to write their ss # on the 4473, we can have them write it on another piece of paper. We will say the ss # to the person on the phone, but it will never be written on the 4473. GARY N4KVE

[aardq]

I've never put my SS on the 4473 form. It's optional. I've never had a problem, but then my last last is unusual enough which may make all the difference in clearing the check fast.

Dan

[oleblu72]

I don't understand the delays when they have your name & SS #. I can see if they were only checking by only using your name by getting it confused with someone else but having your SS# to back you up I don't understand this. Just look what a hacker can do to you with your SS#.

Mark

[wvfal]

Out of the last four purchases that I made I was delayed 3 times. The FFL dealer that I used on the first three had my paperwork since I made the three purchases through him in three moths. It saved me a trip to his shop. The last purchase was with a different FFL and I was his first delay. We ended up bullshitting for an hour while he tried to get the background check to go through the computer. Neither one had a problem with me getting delayed, but both suggested that I do the VAP process with the FBI.

[oleblu72]

Originally Posted by wvfal

Out of the last four purchases that I made I was delayed 3 times. The FFL dealer that I used on the first three had my paperwork since I made the three purchases through him in three moths. It saved me a trip to his shop. The last purchase was with a different FFL and I was his first delay. We ended up bullshitting for an hour while he tried to get the background check to go through the computer. Neither one had a problem with me getting delayed, but both suggested that I do the VAP process with the FBI.

Well like I already said I almost did the VAP but chickened out I didn't like the idea of them having this file on me all the time. I suppose it doesn't really matter they probably don't dump the background checks anyway .Their gonna need all the info for when the U.N. gets this firearms treaty pushed through so they can come and get our guns.

Mark

[masman]

i agree with the other guys find another shop. i've never been delayed.

[MK ULTRA]

Originally Posted by mouthpiece

Why are they holding it for a week? With a "delay", They can only hold it for 3 busines days and then it is yours . Dealer must not know what he is doing.

You need to look into this. A DELAY only means you get it after 3 days if the FFL doesn't hear from NICS.

THAT MEANS YOU GET THE GUN. FFL doesn't have to to call them back. It's over finished. YOU GET THE GUN.

Sounds like the FFL doesn't know what he's doing.

Tell him the above.

good luck.

[oleblu72]

Originally Posted by MK ULTRA

You need to look into this. A DELAY only means you get it after 3 days if the FFL doesn't hear from NICS.

THAT MEANS YOU GET THE GUN. FFL doesn't have to to call them back. It's over finished. YOU GET THE GUN.

Sounds like the FFL doesn't know what he's doing.

Tell him the above.

good luck.

He seems like he's real carefull about how he does things, I don't know if he had a bad experience and got in trouble or what. I'll just use another FFL next time to bad he only charges $10.

Mark

[N4KVE]

Originally Posted by MK ULTRA

You need to look into this. A DELAY only means you get it after 3 days if the FFL doesn't hear from NICS.

THAT MEANS YOU GET THE GUN. FFL doesn't have to to call them back. It's over finished. YOU GET THE GUN.

Sounds like the FFL doesn't know what he's doing.

Tell him the above.

good luck.

Not quite true. When the refusal comes through they then tell the store to call back after 3 days. Now the NICS people can call back at any time in the 3 day period. Heck, I've seen them call back after 10 minutes. So when the customer comes back to the store after the 3 day wait, we call back to ask if the hold has been released. They say no, & ask if the customer is taking the gun. We say yes, but must give the customer's name & current address. This way should the NICS check come back with a refusal a few days later, the local police are sent to the customer's house to grab the gun. This is the way it's done here in Florida. Most of the time there is a delay, it's because the NICS people only have 1 minute to make up their minds. Should it take longer the "conditional" is given, & the 3 day wait starts. GARY N4KVE

[wvfal]

I live about 10 miles maybe from the FBI center and the dealer I used for the first three transfers worked there. When I was approved for my final transfer through him he told me the difference between my getting delayed twice and approved the final time was someone knowing what they were doing and taking the time to do a little research.

[the gman]

Originally Posted by N4KVE

Not quite true. When the refusal comes through they then tell the store to call back after 3 days. Now the NICS people can call back at any time in the 3 day period. Heck, I've seen them call back after 10 minutes. So when the customer comes back to the store after the 3 day wait, we call back to ask if the hold has been released. They say no, & ask if the customer is taking the gun. We say yes, but must give the customer's name & current address. This way should the NICS check come back with a refusal a few days later, the local police are sent to the customer's house to grab the gun. This is the way it's done here in Florida. Most of the time there is a delay, it's because the NICS people only have 1 minute to make up their minds. Should it take longer the "conditional" is given, & the 3 day wait starts. GARY N4KVE

That might be the way it works at your store or area but it is NOT the way it is intended to work. Per Federal statute, there are only 3 possible outcomes to a NICS request; Proceed, Delayed or Denied. There is no such thing as a "conditional" approval or anything other than the above 3 categories. If a person receives a "Delayed" response, you are correct in that the NICS folks often call back well within the 3 business day period, often within hours. However, if they fail to call back before the 3 business day period has expired, no further communication by the licensee is required prior to transferring the firearm to the delayed person. The name and address of the person acquiring the firearm has already been passed to NICS therefore such information is redundant.

I see FL conducts its own version of the NICS check rather than having the FBI do it and this likely accounts for the peculiar level of bullshit you have to endure at your store.

There are multiple reasons the OP was delayed 3 days; fairly common surname, transposition of information by the FFL or the operator, identity theft, felons with a similar name or DOB or other info and a whole host of other issues.

Your transferring FFL is an idiot who does not know the law or the way the system works. Do you ever buy anything else from the idiot or do you just use him for transfers? $10 is pretty cheap for a transfer, hell, I do them to just help my fellow gun owners out and I charge $15 so $10 is a steal. Maybe try talking with him and asking why he doesn't release the firearm after only 3 days rather than making you wait a week? If the guy is STILL being a prick, then politely tell him none of this is your fault and you will seek another FFL to conduct your business with. Hopefully, you will have already found another guy to work with PRIOR to the meeting or you could end up screwed.....

If you intend to purchase a lot more firearms via FFL, go ahead and get the UPIN; you ain't gonna be mistaken for anyone else but if you are really that paranoid, just curl up in a ball now in the basement, wait for the black helo's and kiss your ass goodbye......

[wvfal]

The 3 times I was delayed I went back after 3 days and picked up my guns. Each time the FBI never called the dealer back. Both dealers never had an issue with storing my stuff and the first one gave me the info to do the VAP program with the FBI. Since I have 10 more receivers that I need to finish my build, I will more than likely go that route.

[oleblu72]

Originally Posted by wvfal

The 3 times I was delayed I went back after 3 days and picked up my guns. Each time the FBI never called the dealer back. Both dealers never had an issue with storing my stuff and the first one gave me the info to do the VAP program with the FBI. Since I have 10 more receivers that I need to finish my build, I will more than likely go that route.

I never questioned my FFL about the process I just assumed this was the way it is. Next time with a different FFL I'll see how it goes,

Mark

[catmguy445]

Originally Posted by L Haney

Here in Georgia if you have a current Weapons Permit there is no background check. They put the info from that ID on the form and that's all she wrote.

Then again, to get that permit you get finger printed and BG checked out the ass.

Ditto for Idaho. If you have an Idaho Concealed Weapons License, the FFL puts your CWL number on the 4473, no NICS check, and out the door. As far as fingerprints, between military enlistments, security clearances, exposed carry permits in other states for security work, and a couple of other things I don't remember now that required fingerprints, I'm sure the FBI has a stack of my fingerprint cards about an inch thick at this point. Getting my Idaho CWL was a piece of cake, and it really comes in handy when buying a gun.

Private party transfers are even easier. You hand the guy/gal some money, he/she hands you the gun, you shake hands. Done deal.

[gunsmoke]

The 'BACKROUND CHECK" is total bs!

I have never had a problem myself but I know personally of five (5) different convicted felons who cleared the backround check and would have never been found out if they did not get involved in domestic disputes where local LEOs were called.

Local LEOs always (understandably) first question is are there any guns in the house? Then the ID is checked and records are run on the parties involved in the domestic situation and 4 of the 5 were federally prosecuted for lying on the 4473 the 5th was not because the conviction was juvenile and he had obtained a gold seal, but despite the gold seal and restoration of rights he has never gotten his gun back.

Then there are the two C & R holders I know who were turned down in error just like you were!

So it simply doesn't work, its a meaningless harassment.

[gunseller]

There is a little miss info here. The law does not state the FFL must deliver the firearm after 3 days but can deliver after 3 days. I have seen the NICS call back while the info for the first call is being completed. I have also seen calls come back longer than 30 days. Had one customer denied. He stated he had only had 1 speeding ticket in his life. Told him to get a handgun permit to aquire. He said his sherrif was his borther. When he came back in to purchase the shotgun he wanted he said there is a bad guy with the same name, birthday and two numbers in his SS# were transposed. In Iowa a permit to aquire or a carry permit is used instead of the NICS call. I have always had a carry permit so I have never been called in.
Steve

[wvfal]

Originally Posted by gunseller

There is a little miss info here. The law does not state the FFL must deliver the firearm after 3 days but can deliver after 3 days. I have seen the NICS call back while the info for the first call is being completed. I have also seen calls come back longer than 30 days. Had one customer denied. He stated he had only had 1 speeding ticket in his life. Told him to get a handgun permit to aquire. He said his sherrif was his borther. When he came back in to purchase the shotgun he wanted he said there is a bad guy with the same name, birthday and two numbers in his SS# were transposed. In Iowa a permit to aquire or a carry permit is used instead of the NICS call. I have always had a carry permit so I have never been called in.
Steve

You are right about the 3 days. A dealer can transfer a gun to a person who has been delayed after 3 days. That doesn't mean he has to. Remember a few years ago Walmart started a policy of not transfer a gun to a delayed person until they were cleared by the FBI.

[N4KVE]

Yes it is different in Florida, as the FDLE conducts the background check, not the FBI. If they tell us there is a "delayed" then they also tell us the date 3 days from then, & to call back after 5pm on that day to check if the delayed was changed to proceed. If there has been no change the examiner will ask if the customer will be taking the gun, & if yes, that's when we have to give the address. Up to this point, the buyers address is never mentioned to the examiner. Just written on the 4473. Heck, I even got a delayed once at the store where I work. So have many of the other employees. GARY N4KVE

[jerry704]

I love having a ccp. I never have to wait on a call to the gubment If your state has that option i highly recomend it. I have a buddy that has to wait the full 3 days now that he works on nuclear power plants. Before he never had t wait. It is very frustrating for him. He even had to wait to get his own 1890's something winchester 32-20 out of consignment when he found a buyer elsewhere. I have only had to wait one time and that was a mossburg 590 mariner my wife bought me for our anniversary one year long ago. It was a big box store and the manager didnt understand that by her showing her pistol purchase permit that she SHOULD have been exempt from the atf call. He even tried to keep her permit for the purchase of a shotgun. Needless to say i was pissed but i couldnt beat the deal i was getting through a family discount. In hindsight it was more trouble than it was worth. I would never buy any thing from that jack ass again if i were you.... But i would go by and show him all the guns i bought elsewhere and mention to anybody in the store that would listen that the gun shop down the street had the same gun cheaper, or that i just come to this shop to handle weapons that i am thinking of buying cheaper online. They love that!!! Lol

[palmettomoon]

I would tell the putz to do something that he's most likely to unable to do due to a shortcoming with his anatomy and take my business elsewhere.

I held a secret security clearance for years and I still get the DELAY thing if I do not use my GFL (Georgia Firearms License).

It's aggravating enough to get delayed because I served, I surely would not want to take attitude or lip service from some lazy poag gun "dealer".

There are too many good guys selling guns to deal with a nitwit.

[oleblu72]

Originally Posted by palmettomoon

I would tell the putz to do something that he's most likely to unable to do due to a shortcoming with his anatomy and take my business elsewhere.

I held a secret security clearance for years and I still get the DELAY thing if I do not use my GFL (Georgia Firearms License).

It's aggravating enough to get delayed because I served, I surely would not want to take attitude or lip service from some lazy poag gun "dealer".

There are too many good guys selling guns to deal with a nitwit.

Thats strange that people that have served or people with security license os some kind would be delayed strange indeed. Yeah I'll definitely find another FFL for my next purchase.

Mark