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Old February 11, 2018, 15:51   #1
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The roots of communism - an evil that was preventable

As an avid student of history, I went over the October Revolution of 1917, the rise and fall of tsar Nicholas II Romanov and the rise of communism.

It seems to me that communism was almost entirely preventable, and the sick and evil ideas of Lenin, Trotsky and others could have come to an abrupt end if the political leaders in Europe in the late 1800’s to 1925 would have acted more decisively by exterminating those commies.

A number of them moved around in Europe, holding meetings in places like London, Paris, Brussels, Stockholm etc. and tried to form alliances to create a system that was above all self-serving and not focused on equality, as falsely stated.

The empowering of the Russian working class and the lower military was all serving one purpose, and one purpose only.....to get the Bolsheviks in power and keep them there.

The empowering of the Russian working class was used to give them a false sense of might, especially after the turmoil left in Russia after the defeat at Tsushima, the Crimea and the end of WW1.

The working class was never meant to rule, it was up to the party leadership.

The last tsar, Nicholas, and his family were getting in the way by their sheer existence, so they were executed.

This was just a game of opportunists - nothing else. People that thought that they could write history, and bringing a political plague over mankind that many more still succumb to, up till today.

There is nothing glorious about communism or socialism, it was just another sick and evil lne of thoughts that created more misery than anything else, not counting the bubonic plague.
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Start at the roots and then look to the tree it bloomed into. Today's commies have the same roots and the rules for Radicals was written to overthrow our country. Who thinks up this crap?
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Old February 11, 2018, 16:29   #3
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Start at the roots and then look to the tree it bloomed into. Today's commies have the same roots and the rules for Radicals was written to overthrow our country. Who thinks up this crap?
Easy. The same folks who think they are entitled to rule humanity, who think freedom is an evil genie. One which they have been attempting to put back in the bottle since the industrial revolution did away with feudalism and allowed the common folk to begin the long, if torturous hike to freedom.

The same ones who triggered both world wars, the World Bank, the UN and it's predecessor, the Bank of England, the Bank of the United States, the Federal Reserve, the opium trade, the cold war and innumerable other artificial crises, bush wars and near-misses. And you can easily spot them based on how they react when their shit doesn't go according to plan. Like for example, the election of DJT to the white house.

Hoping you can take it from here ...
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Start at the roots and then look to the tree it bloomed into. Today's commies have the same roots and the rules for Radicals was written to overthrow our country. Who thinks up this crap?
Peoplewho think up this crap are just some low class, evil spirited , twisted and sick little bastards that could never make it in the existing systems, as they don’t have it in the “upstairs dept.” , so they try to topple over the system and replace it with chaos, anarchy and subversion in the hope that they come out on top.

Generally their sense of importance is at 100% or more, not realizing that they are just a bunch of nitwits and victims of the Dunning Kruger effect.

As their unimportance just does not fit in their ways of thinking, they obsess about changing the system and replacing it with THEIRS. Marxism, Nazism, Leninism, Radicalism......Obamanism.....they all got the same teachers and roots.

It is that ill fated belief that all of us humans are created equal. We ain’t. Therefore their system of c/s needs to equalize us.

Well hell, I am not a Borg, and I am not a member of their collective, and I refuse to get assimilated.
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Damn bubbs. Stop making so much sense.
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Interesting reading.
https://communismblog.wordpress.com/...-of-communism/
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It is, indeed, but it cuts in at a different point.

Financing a couple of political whackjobs is one thing.

I was more looking for the political roots of this matter, the evil behind it all.
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The Russian Civil War lasted from 1917 to 1934, but was mostly over in the mid 20's.
The USA helped out the White Russian Army. The Reds won out.

The White Army jut did not have the support of the people, who were fooled by "Bread and Peace" by Lenin.

WW1 had destroyed the old line of Empire by the Kings.
There was no stomach left to attack Russia after the slaughter in the trenches.

Lenin killed off all those who helped him, in the University and Professional Middle Classes, as he could not trust anyone who would overthrow a government; Stalin kept it up.

As far away as the USSR was, it took a cold war to finally kill it.
Russia is far far away. Napoleon and Hitler found that out.

No one like commies, except when they kill Nazis. That marriage served its purposes. You cannot say anything good about Communism, except that.
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Yep V hence the term useful idiots. These people in the universities and such don’t realize they will be the first to go. Queers of the world unite has a good appeal until the nut cutting starts
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The Bolschevik movement here was closely tied into the Anarchists of the early 1900's.

Temperance by them resulted in Prohibition and the Suffragettes got the womans vote. There was a great worry here, post WW1 about the communists working with the farmers.
Prohibition helped ruin socialism as an idea, for the working man

FDR was the biggest worry of all, but he died, and we were saved.

Today we have the anti law Fed Judges, inventing new Federal Laws, laws that are simply communists at work again.
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Yep V hence the term useful idiots. These people in the universities and such don’t realize they will be the first to go. Queers of the world unite has a good appeal until the nut cutting starts
True dat.

They all think that they come out on top, and they use that ideology to poison the minds of the young, the dumb and the weak.
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It is, indeed, but it cuts in at a different point.

Financing a couple of political whackjobs is one thing.

I was more looking for the political roots of this matter, the evil behind it all.
If you want to know the roots of an idea then look to the hearts and history of the men who come up with it.
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The Reds won due to American based finance.

Most do not realize both Lenin & Trotsky were booted out of the Russias by the Tzar ending up in of all places, New York City.
The pair then worked various jobs as Taxi drivers, Trotsky was even a minor actor in early American Cinema before landing a major meeting with Jakob Schiff who agreed to underwrite the Red Revolution by what would be millions of dollars today.

Schiff had previously financed the Japanese in their war against Russia

If I'm not mistaken, mouthy Adam Schiff that commie Congressman out of California is his Great Grandson.

I will leave the ethnicity of Lenin, Trotsky and the evil Schiff family hanging
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The Reds won due to American based finance.

Most do not realize both Lenin & Trotsky were booted out of the Russias by the Tzar ending up in of all places, New York City.
The pair then worked various jobs as Taxi drivers, Trotsky was even a minor actor in early American Cinema before landing a major meeting with Jakob Schiff who agreed to underwrite the Red Revolution by what would be millions of dollars today.

Schiff had previously financed the Japanese in their war against Russia

If I'm not mistaken, mouthy Adam Schiff that commie Congressman out of California is his Great Grandson.

I will leave the ethnicity of Lenin, Trotsky and the evil Schiff family hanging
Well by god the Schiff has really hit the fan...... of history !.
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Refute that!
Gets better

Schiff was the one who financed the modernization of the Japanese military
During the Russo-Japanese War it was his influance that led to the sale of the American Whitehead Torpedo and Torpedo boats leading to the sinking of the Russian Pacific fleet at Harbor.

While Japanese Officers were on the boats Americans and British were the pilots & torpedo gunners

Allegedly the Schiffs profitted handsomely on the Japanese expansion of empire in the lead up to Pearl Harbor.
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Schiff = scum ?
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So.......

Schiff = scum ?
I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder moonbat.

Some tidbits
Dorothy Schiff, Jakobs grand daughter was the owner/editor of the New York Post for over 40 years
His other great grandson is married to Al Gore's daughter

Not saying everything Schiff did was evil incarnate
Turn of the century Congress was considering a literacy test for immigration
Schiff managed to get this killed.
His motivation was it would have prevented Jewish immigration from the Russias
that said it would have stopped immigration from much of Europe as well
how many Italians were fluent in English for example.
even folks from Norway or Germany...

So he did some positive things but there can be little doubt without his firms financing the Japanese would never have been turned into a modern military power and it would have been unlikely that the Reds would have eventually overthrown the Russian Tzar.

We could as well bring Armand Hammer into this discussion:

Hammer was one of the main forces in industrializing the Soviets over the eleven years he lived in the USSR in the 20s. Yes same ethnicity as Lenin, Trotsky and Schiff...starting to see a pattern developing ?

Anyways Hammer was Chairman of Occidental Petroleum from the 50s until death in 1990.
Real piece of work
He was busted over unlawful contributions to the Nixon campaign, got probation, HW Bush gave him a full pardon. One of his long time friends was Al Gore Sr., Hammer was the one responsible for Gore Jr. becoming VP and pumped heavy money into Gore's 1st Presidential nomination run in 88' against Clinton.

Armands own Grandson Michael is busy giving family money away to all sorts of Christian causes, notably the Jews for Jesus organization
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https://cromwell-intl.com/travel/usa...revolutionary/

Leon Trotsky, born in Ukraine, was the founder of the newspaper Pravda.
He was in Europe working as a journalist when World War I broke out, going first to Switzerland to avoid arrest by Austria-Hungary. He moved on to France, which deported him to Spain because of his anti-war activities. Spain soon deported him to the U.S., where he lived and worked in New York for only a few months.

He returned to Russia after the February Revolution of 1917 overthrew Tsar Nicholas II.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin

There is no evidence that Lenin ever set foot into the USA.

The Russian Revolution lasted for years.

American supporters of communism had no inkling of what it was, as there had been no communist nirvana ever established. Interested Industrialists only thought of it as a way to paying even lower wages, than unions were forcing them to pay.

I find no evidence that massive amts of cash was ever given to Lenin from the USA. As I said, Lenin was never here, only Trotsky, who was killed by Stalin's agents in Mexico in 1924.

The Russian Revolution was entirely Russian in origin with great support from the misguided who thought that they would get "a wonderful life."

I don't see it as preventable; we sent two army groups to fight the Reds, but we gave up. It was not worth it.

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Leon Trotsky, born in Ukraine, was the founder of the newspaper Pravda.
He was in Europe working as a journalist when World War I broke out, going first to Switzerland to avoid arrest by Austria-Hungary. He moved on to France, which deported him to Spain because of his anti-war activities. Spain soon deported him to the U.S., where he lived and worked in New York for only a few months.

He returned to Russia after the February Revolution of 1917 overthrew Tsar Nicholas II.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin

There is no evidence that Lenin ever set foot into the USA.

The Russian Revolution lasted for years.

American supporters of communism had no inkling of what it was, as there had been no communist nirvana ever established. Interested Industrialists only thought of it as a way to paying even lower wages, than unions were forcing them to pay.

I find no evidence that massive amts of cash was ever given to Lenin from the USA. As I said, Lenin was never here, only Trotsky, who was killed by Stalin's agents in Mexico in 1924.

The Russian Revolution was entirely Russian in origin with great support from the misguided who thought that they would get "a wonderful life."

I don't see it as preventable; we sent two army groups to fight the Reds, but we gave up. It was not worth it.
Aw Hell, this has been a fact of Communist History for decades V albeit one largely suppressed. Lenin was here for a brief period, he needed money.

Lenin & Trotsky were Slavic Anarchists who represented something quite different than Stalin

You are just busy scrubbing the stains from Stalin's skirt again...

The roots of the problem by the way were nearly purely German
Look into the First International
You had two main factions

Marx and his core group of German & English Socialists versus Anarchists led by Bakunin. The Marxists eventually won out.
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Find one link that Lenin ever set foot in the USA.
He was never here.
Your facts are becoming more and more suspect.
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The thing that's missing from this thread is a rejoinder to the whole 'evil that was preventable' thing. In fact communism was a constructed evil, manufactured out of whole cloth. It's effects were carefully considered and nothing that happened as a result of it's implementation was a surprise. To say that 'it was preventable' implies that it just sort of happened, like the spanish flu. This was far from the case.
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Find one link that Lenin ever set foot in the USA.
He was never here.
Your facts are becoming more and more suspect.
That's another of your problems
You have this inane notion that the whole of history can be obtained via the internet.

Truth is the web is full of shit regarding most everything and you can find that BS spewing from either side of any question.
That's why I stay away as much as possible from Wiki and the like

Years ago Wiki had some very broad topics
much of the old Wiki was purged starting around a decade back in an effort to turn it extremely PC

I tend to detest revisionist websites as well V
They start with a nugget of fact and turn it into a full anti Jewish tirade
assholes just lose all focus.
I see you as every bit as bad just coming from the other direction.
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https://www.rt.com/usa/lenin-towers-over-new-york/

Take it from RT, Russian TV, Lenin was never here.
A statue erected in 2009 of Lenin in NYC, came down in 2014.

Opinions always need to be fact checked.
That Trotsky spent 3 months here is fact.

There is no RSS website that contains the facts; wiki is far more detailed.
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The thing that's missing from this thread is a rejoinder to the whole 'evil that was preventable' thing. In fact communism was a constructed evil, manufactured out of whole cloth. It's effects were carefully considered and nothing that happened as a result of it's implementation was a surprise. To say that 'it was preventable' implies that it just sort of happened, like the spanish flu. This was far from the case.
It was somewhat preventable in my opinion bubba

Much of Man's fuk ups could have been prevented had good folks rose up and done certain things.

In the case of Communism had Marx been vanished prior to the 1st International Bakunin's Anarchism would have became the model for Socialists.
A quite different system

As it was Marx became a celebrity among English elites

want fun ?
explore the origins of our Republican party

Just a hint, it's founders were recent immigrants to Wisconsin, German Anarchists and much of the foundational party planks came straight out of the 1st International

Who was one of Lincolns pen pals ?
Karl Marx

Gets ya feeling all warm and fuzzy inside doesn't it...
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Take it from RT, Russian TV, Lenin was never here.
A statue erected in 2009 of Lenin in NYC, came down in 2014.

Opinions always need to be fact checked.
That Trotsky spent 3 months here is fact.

There is no RSS website that contains the facts; wiki is far more detailed.
Oh whatever V
you seem to pick and choose this shit at random
did Trump collude with Putin too ?

What does Wiki say ?

Statues ?
Who gives a shit
What does that RT link have to say about whether Lenin was in NYC or not ?
Yeah V, absolutely nothing. Just more of you being a shit throwing monkey in this particular Zoo
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Ok, a basic problem identified here.

When confronted about a factually inaccurate statement, and shown the available truth about the fact, you continue to deny it.

Lenin was never in the USA.

You have to learn to accept real facts, and that someone in the past has misinformed you, as you NEVER read it, so it has to be someone else. Blame them, but do not carry on about Leinin in the USA.

Hell, next you will have him working at Disneyland, examining the team concept of task delegation.
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It was somewhat preventable in my opinion bubba

Much of Man's fuk ups could have been prevented had good folks rose up and done certain things.

In the case of Communism had Marx been vanished prior to the 1st International Bakunin's Anarchism would have became the model for Socialists.
A quite different system

As it was Marx became a celebrity among English elites

want fun ?
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Just a hint, it's founders were recent immigrants to Wisconsin, German Anarchists and much of the foundational party planks came straight out of the 1st International

Who was one of Lincolns pen pals ?
Karl Marx

Gets ya feeling all warm and fuzzy inside doesn't it...
The point is it was not a fuk-up, it was made to happen and the outcome was by design. Yeah it might have been prevented had this happened or that but it must be remembered that a lot of good folks tried and failed to prevent it. Along with a lot of otherwise bad ones too. Presumably those who tried to prevent it tried their best so in my mind at least the 'it was preventable' option remains undemonstrated. And in any case it really is the wrong question, 'was it a natural occurrence or some sort of accident' is more to the point. And it certainly was neither.
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I think here,the "communists" are really just democrats using the ideology to cover for their felonies. Anything to stay in power,out of prison.
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I think here,the "communists" are really just democrats using the ideology to cover for their felonies. Anything to stay in power,out of prison.
Well I think they always use words that seem innocuous like progressive etc. remember how McCarthy was demonized by the left? Nowadays I have a different view of him.
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Just opinion and certianly there will be no agreement but I believe communism as it turned out was an unintended consequence of an idea to put all citizens under equal footing under the state. The goal was to make all groups the same so some groups could not be descriminated against. It failed because it gave all power to the state and no recourse for those that live under it. Once corruption set in it proved to be the worst system ever devised for men to live under.

The creators and founders of communism and socialism were educated idiots that failed to read what a corrupt people would do in their systems of government and doomed millions to a life of no choice. May they rot in hell.
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Just opinion and certianly there will be no agreement but I believe communism as it turned out was an unintended consequence of an idea to put all citizens under equal footing under the state. The goal was to make all groups the same so some groups could not be descriminated against. It failed because it gave all power to the state and no recourse for those that live under it. Once corruption set in it proved to be the worst system ever devised for men to live under.

The creators and founders of communism and socialism were educated idiots that failed to read what a corrupt people would do in their systems of government and doomed millions to a life of no choice. May they rot in hell.
You have it half right. Lose the 'equal footing' part and you are entirely correct.
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You have it half right. Lose the 'equal footing' part and you are entirely correct.
Well it ended up all the citizens pretty much have equal footing, they are all fugged with no choices. The idea that the state should run everyone's lives go way back, it was nothing new but given a different spin on law and order.
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Old February 12, 2018, 18:39   #34
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Ok, a basic problem identified here.

When confronted about a factually inaccurate statement, and shown the available truth about the fact, you continue to deny it.

Lenin was never in the USA.

You have to learn to accept real facts, and that someone in the past has misinformed you, as you NEVER read it, so it has to be someone else. Blame them, but do not carry on about Leinin in the USA.

Hell, next you will have him working at Disneyland, examining the team concept of task delegation.
Why is it you constantly post links claiming proof of this or that that don't even address the question at hand.

You demand of me a link to show Lenin visited your city but seem unable to provide a link stating he never did

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Many people of note, have never come to the USA.

I know for sure that Hitler never visited the USA, but there it is..............you will claim the very same thing.

It is not clever as a debate tactic; not clever at all. Give it up.
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Well it ended up all the citizens pretty much have equal footing, they are all fugged with no choices. The idea that the state should run everyone's lives go way back, it was nothing new but given a different spin on law and order.
In fact not at all. Under communism some citizens are on much better footing than others, for example party members.

The part about 'em being all screwed at the end of the day I would not argue with, but that ain't equal unless you define equal with an awfully broad brush.
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Many people of note, have never come to the USA.

I know for sure that Hitler never visited the USA, but there it is..............you will claim the very same thing.

It is not clever as a debate tactic; not clever at all. Give it up.
than post your linkypoo otherwise Bluestater

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In fact not at all. Under communism some citizens are on much better footing than others, for example party members.

The part about 'em being all screwed at the end of the day I would not argue with, but that ain't equal unless you define equal with an awfully broad brush.
I live in communist oregon so I understand what you are saying. Communism has its elite members but the average deplorable is what I was referring to. Here a state employee fares much better than those who work for a living.

I believe the intent of communism was to put all groups under equal law because some were persecuted. Unfortunately corruption just gave those who persecuted others more power under communism.

I also believe that's why Alinsky went to destroying our government by subversion.
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I was understanding it was the Germans and others that arranged for Lenin to be smuggled into Russia with a big pile of cash with the expectation Lenin and his bunch would overthrow the Tzar and take Russia out of the war, which he in fact did. With Russia out of the war Germany could focus on the western front without the Russians at their backs.
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Sage, I believe that you are right.
He is but again where did the buckets of cash originate

Many hands in this pie V

me thinks you should look into who was related to just whom in Royal Europe in say 1900
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The time before the First World War was a time of transition in Europe from royalty and peasants/subjects to worker unions seeking redress from oppressive living and working conditions. The workers and regular people eventually won out due in part to the lack of workers during and after the carnage of the war much like the effect of the black plague. In Russia’s case it was violent revolution. This was an incoming tide that was inevitable but was hastened by the war, the people got tired of being treated as animals. The same can be said for Russia when peasants were summarily hung on the spot for allowing their cow to graze on royal grass.
For the European royals to support the over throw of Russian royalty seems counter productive to me. Royalty in Europe was and is all one big unhappy inbred family. King George of England during our Revolutionary War was German and from what I understand could not communicate in English worth a darn. England needed a king and with none to be had locally they imported a German from the royal linage.
We have our own Royals that are really just the biggest criminal families on the block. Think of Hillary Clinton as The Queen of the Damned with the previous morally depraved King William now shrunken in form from age but still worshipped by his subjects. The peasants are even now calling for a Queen Chelsea Clinton the bastard child of Hillary Clinton and Webb Hubble.
Human beings are a confusing self destructive species at best and suicidal at the worst. Personally I prefer the company of canines over humans.
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I live alone in the middle of nowhere with two dogs and a cat, what do you think about that.

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Personally I prefer the company of canines over humans.
I am almost to that point.

I still wonder why people out there worship those fake and phony "nobles" such as HRC, BHO and others.

There is nothing good coming out of them.

Stupid is as stupid does, I guess.

Even though I'm a former European myself, I never cared too much about noblemen and royals. I only respect gods and generals.
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Collectivist ideologies of ALL stripes appeal to the baser nature of humans. Everyone likes the idea of getting free shit, or everyone being equal rather than living under a few hundred more years of kings and queens and 'nobles' who are only rich fatbastards because they were born such, and who write laws in such a way as to ensure that there is no possibility of anyone from the lower classes managing to get into the upper classes.

The commies also found some things to latch on to that genuinely needed changing, and used those to attract followers. Child labor, the level of danger that workers faced every day on the job in most industries, how workers were considered expendable and were fired simply because the company didn't want to pay them any more, work weeks that were over 100 hours, that kind of thing. Causes that most people can get behind, other than the slavers that ran the industries and the banksters profiting from it all.

Once these turds started having their meetings and agitating, it was too late to slaughter them. That would have only created martyrs, and probably woken people up to how they were getting boned by the banksters and robber barons even faster.

The best way to deal with them would have been to take the wind out of their sails. They want a 50 hour work week? Hey, how about a FORTY hour work week? Jobs are dangerous? Create OSHA in the 19th century. Eliminate the 'nobility', legislate away the obstacles to upward mobility, all that good stuff. The main reason anyone joined the commies wasn't because they were bored university students that felt guilty about (insert bulldrek reason here), it was because they were stuck in a menial, back-breaking job that paid so little that their wife was taking in and washing rich people's laundry and their kids were mining coal or working in textile mills, and this was what they had to look forward to for the rest of their life, as well as what their kids had to look forward to.

As GWAR said in the song 'Slaughterama', "When your life is sh1t, then you haven't got much to lose". What did your average person have to lose? A life of drudgery, which would most likely be cut short because of the conditions in the neighborhood, or on the job. ANYTHING stars looking pretty good, especially when you think that everyone will actually be working, instead of a few rich fatbastards sitting on their asses and getting even fatter while everyone else slaves away making the increased fatness happen. Remember, we're not talking about people who had access to the Interwebz, or instant mass media, or even much of an education above being able to do basic math and read at what MIGHT be a 1st grade level, moving their finger under each word and moving their lips as they sound out each word. Ever watched a little kid read 'silently'? Yeah, just like that. You know, how the average high school graduate reads nowadays....These people aren't going to understand economic theory, or WHY the commies are wrong, nor how communism doesn't get rid of the fatbastards that live off everyone else's work. They just think that they won't be dying by the dozens in the mines, mills, and shipyards any more, their kids won't be dying or getting mangled in factories, they won't have to slave for 100+ hours per week and barely be able to feed their families, nevermind being able to clothe them.

As much as I hate any form of collectivism or other forms of group-think or someone pushing their ideals on someone else, in a way communism needed to happen. Humans have to have something to fight against in order to reach our full potential. We have to have frontiers to push back, an enemy to overcome, that kind of thing. In the absence of those things, we become fat, lazy, and worthless. We sit back and let everything fall to sh1t. Communism basically made capitalism worth a damn, much as it pains me to say that.

Ugh. I may have to go wash myself with a wire brush and some engine degreaser....
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The thing that's missing from this thread is a rejoinder to the whole 'evil that was preventable' thing. In fact communism was a constructed evil, manufactured out of whole cloth. It's effects were carefully considered and nothing that happened as a result of it's implementation was a surprise. To say that 'it was preventable' implies that it just sort of happened, like the spanish flu. This was far from the case.
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Schiff wasn't a lone wolf. And revolutions in the masses don't happen without finances.
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Where's Johnny Reb when we need him? I think his sig line is/was:


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Schiff wasn't a lone wolf. And revolutions in the masses don't happen without finances.
In fact that is an excellent question. And sigline ...
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Schiff, Loeb and Kuhn - I believe was the reputed bank - bank of partners! One might ask what the ideologic base for communism is - once determined you can see where the support for such actions as Schiff's come from.
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Schiff, Loeb and Kuhn - I believe was the reputed bank - bank of partners! One might ask what the ideologic base for communism is - once determined you can see where the support for such actions as Schiff's come from.
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Karl Marx and Engles were the inspiration for Lenin.

He actually believed that mankind was capable of living in a communal system with everyone sharing bluejeans, mouthwash, work duties and wealth. He knew of course the he needed Moison Nagants and bombs to do it, as people are hard to convince.

The USSR was hardly a success, as people pretended to work and the government pretended to pay them.

During WWII, "the great patriotic war", they did produce a lot of equipment and only had to feed and clothe their people. Either Stalin would kill them for not working, or Hitler would because they were targets.

After the war, the pressure to fight a Cold war and to feed the people finally fell apart; and the shinning success of Cuba was an ulcer on humanity, as it it today.

Real Communism died, but today, we are fighting a bad dictatorship in China, and a competitor in Russia, a country that simply finally wants to get a piece of the economic success pie, that was denied to them for 100 years after the end of WWI.

Karl Marx was inspired by the USA Plantation system and felt that it only needed to be tuned up a bit, not destroyed like we did post Civil War.

Hitler, too was inspired by how we dealt with the Indians. But I have to add that he had no problem with the Buffalo, or any intention of setting up reservations for "his indians."

It is more reason why we had to get away from our idiotic European relatives, who just misunderstand the way we do things here.

Unfortunately we have had to go visit them, destroy their stuff and kill them and to fight a cold war, to put our point across.
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So, what was the motivation for the ideologic inclusion of 'communism', into the political vernacular - where were the ideologies sourced, to come up with the basis for communism - what is communisms root, what is the source ideology? When thats clear, you know where its come from, where it been, and what it's goals are - surely!
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