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Old February 22, 2018, 11:25   #51
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So for the sake of dialog.....if you need permission to buy something is it a
privilege or a right? Since the bumpsters are not papered as firearms it's
not possible to recover them without compensation without being sued. Making the use a legal product illegal after the fact doesn't relieve the government of liability. The binary triggers, cranks and other rate increasing
widgets are no different. The exception to all this are state laws which have to
be dealt with by the SC via the state being sued for overreach.
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Old February 22, 2018, 15:07   #52
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You need a lesson

“any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.”

They covered the bases writing it up at the legislative level. ATF at the enforcement level has to use this definition to enforce it. Then someone being a smartass sends a rifle with a shoestring asking for a determination. The FTB looks at it and it meets the definition. Then you can be arrested for it.

whereas bump fire stocks, in fact, do not produce or induce more than one shot "by a single function of the trigger", then you are either sadly misinformed, or else a liar, or else both.
whereas the specific intended purpose of a bump fire stock is to be a stock: literally a human mechanical interface that does not in any way modify the (Not!full-) auto loading fire control operation-- executive administrative legal presumption to the contrary, not with standing.

therefore it is time to repeal the machinegun ban, de-criminalize, and re-legalize private/individual ownership, possession, and use, of machine guns, at the state level, as lawfully codified by the 2A of the BOR.


now agent "mike" you can explain for us all what other regulations you feel are necessary to keep us deplorables in line?

and then explain for us all to see exactly how you and your fed pals are going to kill us deplorables when we refuse your lawlessness.





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Old February 22, 2018, 15:53   #53
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As minimal as those appear to be, Google "Lightning Link" and see how little is required to make a conversion part.
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Old February 22, 2018, 16:06   #54
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As minimal as those appear to be, Google "Lightning Link" and see how little is required to make a conversion part.
papered/registered parts that produce more than one firing per trigger pull.

bump stocks don't do that, never have,
that is the whole point of a bump stock is that it is Not!full auto.

if one wanted to redefine Not!full auto auto loaders to be "full auto", then the only viable answer is to relegalize/decriminalize all machine guns.
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Following the Las Vegas event took three NIB Slidefire stocks to my Gunbroker vendor as they have well over 1,000 positive feedbacks and while I buy on the site on occasion don't like selling. Not long after they listed them Gunbroker suspended all the Slidefire listings bit luckily it just panicked people more and they sold locally very quickly at $500 each. Soon as panic subsided and they dropped back to $99 bought more.

Just dropped a couple off to be put on Gunbroker when saw what prices were this morning. LGS said had talked to their lawyer and ATF and are under impression BATFE has no jurisdiction to rule on legality of bump stocks and any law banning them will have to go through both sides of Legislative Branch then signed by the Executive Branch. When it is introduced into testimony can bump fire with a rubber band, convert a collapsible AR type stock into bump fire device with about $1 in hardware don't think any such bill will get enoigh traction to pass. If it does, how many have been made and additional units made and sold while this is pondered? Basically will be millions of these trading on black market for any criminal willing to pay the price and for those unwilling a lot of rubber bands can be purchased.

Meanwhile I didn't sneeze at the profit made off three sold following Las Vegas which was a week long bubble at the most and had two I dropped off put on 3 or 5 day auction, whichever shortest is allowed so mine can sell and be paid for before the panic crowd realizes new units will continue to come to market for at least a year. With luck will cash out a good profit on today's drop off as well then when price goes back to $99 each will buy more for next opportunity. These mini bubbles of panic on bump fire devices are better than stocks and precious metals. If next week prices continue to climb will pull out whatever bump fire stocks are left and sell them as well even if remove the units installed which once tested for function have never been run again.

Same kid with a Ford 3/4 ton diesel 4x4 could have taken a pass down the sidewalk as busses were loading after school and killed moretoqeople than he did with an AR 15. Where was the school resource officer and since this kid was banned from campus how did he pass them? No legislation will stop someone with a will to do harm. It is easy to make a trip to any home improvement store and for less than cost of an AR and ammo create a devices or devices that do much more harm than this kid did. He was banned from campus, law enforcement alerted to him being loopy just like the last Cali shooter and the kid waltzed in with rifle, smoke grenades and got into the middle of the masses without notice apparently. Want to mitigate death tolls in the future? Arm teachers like the football coach that stepped in front of him taking multiple rounds to save kids and give others time to run. A man like that armed and trained would have shut the moron down. Meanwhile all this protesting and posturing just drives price of bumpfire stocks up in short term while manufacturing companies get up to three shifts a day selling all they can. People that would never have considered owning such a device will buy two.

I lucked into a couple of multiple unit deals which once built a pair of bump rifles decided were goofy and moved to back of safe as wasted ammo. Others will make same determination but criminals are going to load up on them and won't turn them in if outlawed. If I were in a large venue and shooter came in with an AR would prefer them to have bumpfire as would waste more ammo in the spray and pray style of shooting and soon as that first magazine went dry would show them what aimed and controlled fire can accomplish. Look at European gun laws and see if they prevent shooting sprees. More people will die this week as result of drunk drivers than mass shootings.

If want to save lives outlaw drinking and driving period. Not drunk driving as many apparently can't tell if still sober, just buzzed or actually intoxicated. Switzerland everyone pretty much has access to a battle rifle and almost zero gun violence. Kids can start drinking soon as parents allow and almost no DUI deaths. First offense and lose license for life and do jail time. They are people just like we are but have figured out can't legislate morality but can make punishments tough enough people act civil. More people will die of flu this week than died in Florida school shooting but mandating flu vaccinations are being discussed.
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As minimal as those appear to be, Google "Lightning Link" and see how little is required to make a conversion part.
The good old "Drop In" sears.....for AR15's.
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