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FAL Automatic Locking Magazine Release - Troll Away
Hey FAL Files – Just wanted to bring you up to speed on a fixed magazine compliance device for the FAL that we have been working on for the past year. Now that our device is officially Patent-Pending, we are ready to let everyone here have a look at our progress and efforts to keep ‘The Right Arm of The Free World’ at least somewhat free here in California.
Not wanting to register my two bullet-buttoned FALs as AWs, I initially settled reluctantly on the neutered ‘featureless’ configuration for my FALs. Once they were in featureless configuration and realizing just how heavy and awkward shooting the FAL offhand is without having your thumb wrapped around the pistol grip to provide stability, I decided that featureless was not going to work for me and that someone really should invent a feasible fixed magazine solution for the FAL. Well I am proud to announce someone finally did – and that someone is me! Without further ado may I present our FAL Automatic Locking Magazine Release (FALMR). The FALMR is a low profile drop-in replacement for the standard FAL magazine release lever. The FALMR is essentially an extended magazine release that features a ‘trigger guard catch arm’ that locks in place behind the standard FAL trigger guard when the FAL’s action is closed. With the FAL action closed the trigger guard physically prevents the FALMR from being actuated to release the magazine. When the FAL’s action is opened, the trigger guard moves down and away from the FALMR’s catch arm and the FALMR can be operated as a normal FAL magazine release. Easy-peasy! In regard to reloading the FAL while using the FALMR - though the FAL's magazine can easily be removed once the action is broken, we recommend that the FALMR equipped FAL be used in tandem with a stripper clip top-cover, and that top loading is the preferred method to reload in lieu of opening the action and dropping the magazine. This should prevent undue wear and tear between the FAL's locking body and the receiver lug. https://vimeo.com/255500975 ![]() ![]() Advantages of the FALMR: * A quick drop in compliance solution - installs in under 5 minutes. * Low-profile design - maintain your FAL’s proper appearance. * Avoid neutered featureless configuration - the FAL is way too heavy to for that mess! * Magazine cannot be inserted when the FAL’s action is closed - may or may not be an issue with the Cal DOJ who knows - a non-issue with this design. * Quickly and easily return to free state configuration when traveling out of state. * No alteration to mag-well, no tack welds, no tapping & threading the receiver, no blobs of epoxy or other gimmicks. * Fastest magazine removal of all Cali compliant FAL fixed magazine options. * Not your old-fashioned FAL compliance device - can swing the FAL’s action open all the way - bolt removal/clearance is no problem! Work is ongoing. We are still in pre-production phase and are tweaking the design slightly for aesthetics and comfort, however the aluminum prototypes we recently ran function flawlessly. We will soon have our production costs in order for steel versions of the device and will soon be ready to offer them for sale. We are also developing other California compliance products for the FAL rifle platform so stay tuned. **The device has only been tested on metric pattern FALs - I still need to confirm fitment and function on Inch Pattern/SLR/Paras/other non-metric FALs. Shoot me a PM if you live in California, have one of these and would like to assist with this effort. I would like to thank all FAL Filers who have provided excellent advice and who have shared their wealth of knowledge and experience with of the FAL platform over the duration of this project - specifically Lear70 & BigStick61! Last edited by Macho Hambre; February 14, 2018 at 14:01. |
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Actually, not a bad idea.
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Very cool!
Thanks for the update.
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Cool for CA, but you named it wrong. It should be FALALMR. Can’t have an acronym inside an acronym. Especially in CA, as I’m sure even that is illegal there.
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Very cool! I'd be wicked excited to have that option if I was in CA. Heck, I might want it just to have it. Great job.
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You can have an acronym inside an acronym...we had that shit all over the place in aircraft maintenance...for example:
LAT = LANTIRN AEF Tester LANTIRN = Low-Altitude Navigation & Targeting Infrared for Night AEF = Air Expeditionary Force So: LAT = Low-Altitude Navigation & Targeting Infrared for Night Air Expeditionary Force Tester ![]()
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Airdales are never a good example to follow.
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Is it all one piece? Or is the lock attached to standard metric mag release lever?
To meet the definition of the law, the lock cannot be removed without opening the action. So if it is two pieces the lock must be "permanently" attached to release lever. Whether one piece or two piece, it can still be removed by removing the screw that holds it onto the receiver. So again, the lock can be released without opening the action. I love the idea, but I don't think it would meet the definition of the law.
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I'm very happy to see that someone in the PRC is thinking about this and done something. For me, the grip wrap works very well and is actually very comfortable to hold. I've even thought about adding an ergo thumb shelf when I get some time. Plus, having my mag release back is nice. I didn't realize how much I missed it.
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Upon reading the language of the law and regulations, and some discussion here and on Calguns, I figured out a way to retain the trigger guard such that trigger guard cannot be removed without opening the action, otherwise the release could be defeated by removing the pistol grip and then the trigger guard. Macho Hambre is having the prototype be made soon. He came up with the idea to make the rear like on the early trigger guards to allow for the trigger spring plunger to provide extra support. The final version will likely be alloy to reduce costs. The final issue I found was that the device could also be defeated by removing it. So we both came up with different ideas to deal with this. Mine involves a plate that attaches to the lower and requires removing the trigger guard for removal, which in turn requires opening or separating the action. His is simpler to make and we will most likely be going with his idea, which is to attach a plate permanently to the magazine intended to be used with this system. In the former case closing the action, and in the latter case installing the magazine, causes the plate to block access to the head of the magazine catch pivot screw, preventing removal. In the latter case, it may be legally inadvisable to close the action without a magazine installed since the magazine catch would be in a potentially removable state with the action closed. It was mentioned in the OP, and should again be noted that a magazine cannot be inserted into the mag well with the action closed and lock into place or be manually positioned to where it can feed. The catch cannot actuate in any meaningful way with the action closed. This system is not meant to be used for purposes of reloading, but to allow for removal of the magazine for cleaning, maintenance, repair, etc., and provide a means of fixing the mag to the letter of the law and regulations in CA which can be readily reversed in free America and does not require any permanent or lasting modifications to any major part. Ideally, a proper ten-rounder or a blocked magazine that is blocked in a manner that allows for removal of the internals should be used to help rectify certain types of stoppages. If you decide you want to reload with magazines anyways, I'd suggest using an Inch BHO so that you don't accidentally try to open the action with the rat tail still in the recoil tube or with a bunch of tension on the para recoil spring. For reloading it is recommended that a charger guide top cover be installed for ease of loading individual cartridges or loading with chargers. For paras, this means using a scope mount with a charger guide, although someone posted a para cover the other day that had been cut down to a similar length as the charger guide covers, although it lacked a guide. |
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To make the mag release and bho pivot pin harder to remove I would suggest one that has a security Allen or torx head.
The Calif DOJ is not going to give a clean bill of health to any fixed magazine device. The calif do is only going to say as they have many times in the past years is this issue will be decided by the 58 Attorney generals when someone is thought to be in violation of the statute. I understand the desire to make this item permanent with the shield for the pivot pin but I'm not aware that the statute requires a permanently attached device. |
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This has been debated and the Cal DOJ is certainly not showing its hand on how loose/strict they will interpret "not readily removable". Whereas some have argued that removing the axis pin will be interpreted as rendering the FAL incapable of accepting any type of feeding device, others have argued the DOJ will see it otherwise... Only time will tell on that matter which is why we are also developing additional compliance measures. In regards to the particular concern you have raised, there is a relatively straight forward way to address that as well that was discussed here on the Files recently - essentially physically block off access to the axis pin screw head. I’ve been tinkering with one idea - a small metal strip TIG welded onto a FAL magazine so that when it is inserted into the FAL it blocks off access to the axis pin screw. People would have to sacrifice one of their FAL mags to pull this off, however the ‘Cover-over-Center’ Block (AKA Coc-Block) will effectively cut off that route for defeating the FALMR. ![]() ![]() The FALMR is just the first of three parts we are developing. The FALMR might be run stand-alone for those who are confident the Cal DOJ will have a loose interpretation of "not readily removed". Others might choose to scale up into an airtight three-part system that should withstand even the toughest level of DOJ scrutiny. |
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As I recall the DSA FAL came into California with the e block welded up that wouldn't let the mag release open.
The e block was held in place with the two solid pins the lawyers were OK with that. It was many years ago but it did show that there was nothing permanent about the way the mfg (DSA) held in the magazine. |
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On my DSA FAL with its eblock welded up area I could have pulled the two pins that hold in the E block and or just the countersunk mag release lever / BHO small bolt and held the mag in and it would have functioned.
The whole idea of the mag release being connected to the trigger guard shows a attempt to fall in line with the letter and spirit of the law. I believe the block attached to the mag so the mag release and bho pin cannot be accessed is overkill. And this brings me to say **** the SOC Corp and their anti liberty pro illegal alien mentality!!! Quote:
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The issue is that when you back out the mag catch pivot screw sufficiently to clear this locking mag catch design it shifts sufficiently to keep it from holding the magazine in place and the mag actually pops out a bit right away. I can then remove and replace the magazine, push the mag lock back into position, and put the pivot screw all of the way back in. Thus I can change the magazine through the use of a tool (a screwdriver), which makes it legaly indistinguishable from the now-insufficient bullet button type devices, or any of the older devices that used a screw (usually with an Allen head) to permit magazine removal. The only way to prevent this that met the goals for this device was to block access to the pivot screw head, for which there is more than one possible approach, the design seen above using the magazine being one of them and probably the simplest way to go about it from a manufacturing standpoint.
The nice thing about this system is that you can switch to a "free state" mode in a couple of minutes while still meeting the letter of the law here in CA. |
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The Vz58 has a similar tilting bolt layout to the FAL (though no pivoting upper and lower receivers) and can also be loaded with stripper clips from the top. Czechpoint came up with a fixed magazine solution that basically requires the action to be removed so a pin can be knocked up from the bottom to remove the magazine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPbe-Z7Zi8Y I was thinking for the FAL that if a modified magazine and mag release could be screwed together from the top (where the mag release normally latches onto the mag), so that the bolt / carrier would have to be removed in order access the screw, that might pass muster with the Nazis. Last edited by Meataxe556; February 19, 2018 at 08:00. |
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What this mag lock design is meant to avoid is having to do something like drill through the ejector block in the first place. Except for the "COC-Block", which requires modification of a readily removable and replacable part, it is drop-in. I can literally install or remove the system in a matter of minutes, and make it useable like a standard rifle in even less time (since the third component of the system does not have to be removed to restore function), maybe two minutes. The only tool required is a screwdriver. Despite this ease of installation and removal, the action does have to be pivoted open, preventing operation, in order for the magazine to be removed, and the same at minimum is true for removal of any component essential to making it so that such opening is required for magazine removal. For California, this meets the letter of the law for what constitutes disassembly of the action. A method like the one above might well be suited to a ban state that uses a different fixed magazine definition that would make our FAL Mag Lock design non-compliant, but you'd have to check those laws to be sure. I'm only familiar with the California definition. |
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Not sure I like the name of the "COC-Block" thing, but it sounds interesting. Do you have a link? Maybe they'd sell more if they called it the "Freedom Penetrator" or something... ![]() My son is going to school in CA, so we're trying to figure out what semi-auto rifles he could bring out and still be in compliance with Commiefornia. Like the Vz58 "Liberty," a top-loading FAL would be a possibility if we could fix the magazine without drilling into the receiver, ejector block, etc. and still maintain a pistol grip configuration. Not sure what the actual legal definition of "disassembly of the action" is in CA to make these legal. Does it mean removing the bolt carrier / bolt from the receiver (as in the Vz58 Liberty) or can you get away with just separating the upper and lower receivers, which would be easy on a FAL? |
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As far as disassembly of the action goes, it's basically any disassembly of the firearm action which makes it so that it can no longer fire or function. With designs with separate halves like the FAL and AR, with the bolt group and barrel on one, and the FCG on the other, simply pivoting the halves apart causes the FCG and recoil systems to disengage from the rifle, preventing it from functioning in any meaningful way (I suppose someone could use a hammer to fire the upper group by itself, but the bolt group is going to fly out to the rear), and as I recall the DOJ has even clarified that this qualifies as disassembly per their regulations. Removal of the bolt group would count as well, as would removing key FCG components or the FCG entirely. Also, removing or replacing parts such that the rifle cannot function as a semi-auto as configured also makes it not considered a semi-auto for purposes of assessing AW compliance. For the FAL, removing the piston and spring and putting the gas plug on grenade setting would make it compliant. The regulations also clarified that there is no constructive possession, so having the piston in your possession would not make it as if you had an AW, and having a separate upper and lower that when put together would make a non-compliant weapon does not constitute possession of an AW, as in either case the rifle is not considered an AW. The rifle has to be complete and capable of functioning as a semi-auto while also having a detachable magazine under the new standard and having banned features, or a fixed hi-cap mag, or be under 30" in length. One thing that might hurt Para FAL owners right now is that despite the law not changing, the DOJ used the opportunity to state that OAL is going to now be measured with the muzzle device removed, whereas this is not how the law was written. This would cause those who have an 18" barreled Para FAL with the stock actually capable of folding to be in possession of assault weapons. Anyhow, this system is designed specifically to be CA compliant just like the Vz-58's "Liberty" system (really ironic name). It is tailored to the FAL design to be as close to "drop-in" as possible. Not sure of the Vz-58s uses the existing receiver design, or requires a modified receiver for it to work. The majority of the AR locks are also designed to work without the AR itself being modified. |
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Interesting concept Macho, what is your projected price point on this device?
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Thanks for the kind words and encouragement all... Just got back from a road trip out to Wyoming! What an awesome state - so nice being out in free America even if just for a short while, but alas I'm back behind the Iron Kurtain again.... Thank you Bigstick61 for covering the bases in my absence. Work on the FALMR is ongoing...
Hey Parga - No I called and left SA Graham a VM - was not too surprised that he never returned my call though lol... I have to admit that it was viscerally unsettling and counterintuitive to the OpSec ethos to try and get on a DOJ SA's radar screen... Thank you for trying to put me in contact with him.... Pappy - We are still in development and should have opur price point established shortly. |
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I notice that DSA has a gun smithing service of $250 to make one of their rifles CA compliant, which includes a new ejector block, apparently (see #12 in the link below): https://www.dsarms.com/t-gunsmithing.aspx I wonder what that entails. Also, I was thinking if you could drill and tap a small hole through the ejector block / lower receiver, even if you had to drill through the pivot area, you could probably line up / drill a hole into the mag release so it's captured / pushed forward by the screw and holds the mag in place with the mag release. That would require taking the upper and lower receivers apart in order to remove the screw. |
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But why go through all of that when you could have a drop-in system that at most requires replacing two parts and modifying a magazine body, and at lower cost if you don't do the gunsmithing work yourself? |
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We will have an update here real soon.
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A short peek at our progress working on compliance measures for the FAL.
FAL Locking Mag Release Update from FAL Locking Mag Release on Vimeo. More information soon to come... |
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Following as well for us on the east coast
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FALMR - Now Available to Order
FALMR - now available to order - check this!
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Compliance Measures for the FAL
The initial run of FALMRs have all been shipped out, delivered and have generally been well received by all. Due to this and the continued interest in the FALMR, I think we are going to go ahead and plan another production run.
Before we get too far with this however I first wanted to get some feedback from our California based members who purchased the FALMR. The verbiage in the regulations associated with SB880/AB1135 are vague in that they do not clarify what exactly constitutes 'not readily removed', nor what 'does' or 'does not' achieve a minimum threshold for being considered compliant. Some have argued that the FALMR achieves compliance as a stand alone measure as it prohibits the standard method of magazine removal (actuating the magazine release) while the action is closed. Others have argued that if it can be defeated by using a tool or some other 'work-around' can be employed to remove the magazine with the action closed - regardless of how ridiculously complicated the method might be and unrealistic to actually use - then it is not compliant. FALFiles member Bigstick61, who I consulted with extensively on the development of the FALMR, and I are on opposite ends of this argument. Whereas I am under the impression that the FALMR satisfies the spirit and intent of the law, Bigstick61 sees the FALMR as an effective device to lock the magazine in place, however it should be just one component of a 2-3 component system that ensures compliance with the strictest possible interpretation of the regulations. His position is predicated on the fact that there are two ways to defeat or work-around the FALMR to release the magazine while the action is closed. The two methods are: Axis Pin removal - if one were to unscrew the axis pin and remove it far enough that the FALMR is no longer retained and can drop out of the bottom of the receiver, then the magazine can be removed by hand. Removal of Pistol Grip & Trigger Guard - if one were to unscrew the pistol grip screw and remove the pistol grip, then the trigger guard which is held in place by the pistol grip but is otherwise loose and not attached to the lower when the pistol grip is removed, can be removed and the FALMR can be actuated like a standard FAL magazine catch. Though both of these methods are overly-complicated and ridiculous ways to go about reloading a FAL magazine, Bigstick61's concerns carried enough weight to spur development of additional compliance measures that addresses these 2 possible work-arounds. The 2 additional compliance components are: Device to Block Access to Axis Pin - An appendage welded onto the body of a FAL magazine in such a manner that when the magazine is inserted into the FAL the appendage blocks tool access to the axis pin. With this measure, you have to open the action and use the FALMR to drop the magazine to gain access to the axis pin. Easy-peasy. Locking Trigger Guard - The design of the standard trigger guard is modified to have an additional piece of metal added on the backside and a hole drilled in it so that the trigger plunger can capture that modified trigger guard. The front tab of the trigger guard also has a small hole drilled in it so that when it is inserted into the slot in the trigger housing, it can be attached and locked to the receiver by inserting a cotter pin through the hole. This requires the action to e opened and the FCG dissassmbled to gain access to and remove the cotter pin. This effectively blocks off the second work around, however it is not so easy-peasy as the cost of creating the die to crank out stamped modified trigger guards is cost prohibitive. As an alternate we resorted to modifying standard trigger guards purchased from DSA. These 2 additional compliance parts were developed as a contingency should the CA DOJ end up adopting a hard-line stance in interpreting the nebulous regulations. The verdict is still out. To date we have not offered either of these additional measures for sale as the need for them is still unknown at this time and I don't want to be seen as a snake oil salesman here on FF offering up wares that are not needed. Fact of the matter though is that both of my FALs as well as Bigstick61's FALs have all 3 of the compliance measures installed. This is where I am asking for some direction from our Cali members - what are your thoughts on the need for these additional compliance items to achieve compliance? Is there a market for them? Are others wanting to purchase these additional measures to have on hand so that come what may, the parts can be added to the FAL to make a 3-part compliance system. Again I don't want to be seen as playing off people's fears and peddling stuff that is not required, but I also think it is not right to sit back confident that mine and Bigstick61's personal FALs should withstand the strictest interpretation of SB880/AB1135, while letting others only have access to the FALMR. What say ye gents? |
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I definitely see where your coming from, I still don’t want to take any of my stuff out for awhile until everything is clear in general, I would be into buying the additional parts, have you used the stripper clip dust cover on these as well? Really stoked on FALMR that I have installed
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In NYS, there are 3 schools of thought.
1) the mag cannot ever be removed 2) the mag can be removed with difficulty 3) If it was designed to have a removable mag, even if welded in permanently, then it is still illegal. The original intent of the Safe Act was to stop any further sales of the AR15. The removal of the pistol grip defeated the law. Thordsen stocks abound here for AR's and aK's-----all still have detachable mags. Thordsen might be a good source of #'s sold. There has been no guidance from the State or the Police and the entire issue remains unadjudicated, as no one wants to get into it, especially if SCOTUS finally removes the law entirely. It is an uneasy peace here..........like waiting for the indians to attack the fort. At least a million AR's remian unregistered here............and no one is going door to door looking for them. |
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