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Old November 13, 2017, 17:54   #1
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Perhaps there is hope for society...

http://reason.com/archives/2017/10/2...ile-generation

"Today many kids are raised like veal. Only 13 percent of them even walk to school. Many who take the bus wait at the stop with parents beside them like bodyguards. For a while, Rhode Island was considering a bill that would prohibit children from getting off the bus in the afternoon if there wasn't an adult waiting to walk them home. This would have applied until seventh grade."
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"Today many kids are raised like veal. Only 13 percent of them even walk to school. Many who take the bus wait at the stop with parents beside them like bodyguards. For a while, Rhode Island was considering a bill that would prohibit children from getting off the bus in the afternoon if there wasn't an adult waiting to walk them home. This would have applied until seventh grade."
yet another statist program working exactly as intended, exploiting their victims for the exclusive benefit of the "teachers'" unions/lobby groups, naturally at the expense of the human capital potential of the kids trapped inside the program.

statist vampires sucking the little ones dry until there is nothing left but empty husks -- this con game of shitbird "educators" is the reason why the smart parents are pulling their kids out and home schooling them;

also why home schooling is now replacing state indoctrination institutions, for the families that matter, because there is no hope in the public skrewel system, a program designed and intended to be a hostile, unnatural prison-for-kids.

public school is essentially indistinguishable from acts that are by statute deemed felony child abuse.
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What a bunch of s#!t. I walked five miles to and from school every day. And it was uphill both ways! Seriously, if you lived within one mile of my grade school you didn't have bus service. We always walked to the end of the street and waited for the bus in a big gang. Used to gross out the girls by having distance spitting contests. Good times!
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yup.

My HS was 20 miles from my front door, and once kids reached 16, they had to show good reason why they couldn't carpool or drive to school. We were expected to either get a drivers license or make or way to school. Bos service was a last resortu

How times have changed.
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Look, I'm not arguing with you guys, but at least read the article ...
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Old November 13, 2017, 18:51   #6
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Good article jimmy

I maintain this downwards spiral started earlier, in the 70s with the start of "safe" toys.
Chemistry sets used to have damn poisonous chemicals in them, most dime stores and hobby shops had huge Perfect brand chemical displays that mostly catered to kids.

Starter tool sets for kids were just smaller versions of dads tools and yeah youngsters hurt themselves...it's part of learning.
Those gave way to plastic then even foam. This led to what I refer to as Generation Nerf who started entering the workforce in the later 90s

One thing not addressed in the article was the real change, legions of young boys being raised by Women in single parent households. Many of the boys became outright sissy men.
Known a few who had great Moms, made sure their boys learned manly things but knew others who treated theirs like little girls, yeah even making them wear dresses, piercing their ears, letting their hair grow out

People need to look through older books to see what crazy shit kids were expected to mess with up through the 60s. Science fair projects used to be just wild, today it's really mundane crap
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So, how many here were abused (ie: yelled at or worse got a paddling?) by your PARENTS?
I'll go first: I got some good whippings. No many but enough that I feared my parents finding out any misdeed that I may have done. So far I have not turned into a deranged killer.
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So, how many here were abused (ie: yelled at or worse got a paddling?) by your PARENTS?
I'll go first: I got some good whippings. No many but enough that I feared my parents finding out any misdeed that I may have done. So far I have not turned into a deranged killer.
Here, here.

Good read, RJ. I have said, felt, and agree with the entire thing. Thanks for posting.
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Look, I'm not arguing with you guys, but at least read the article ...
Good read!
Nails the issue.
People have been programed to be fearful in the extreme.

New folks with four kids moved in down the road from me.
Nice folks.
None of the kids can run a hammer, all are clean, like all the time, and they go to school and then disappear back into their house when they get home.

They are all on dumb phones every time I see them.

I did my part though, I raised an ass kicking Marine!

And they don't own a firearm!
This far out and away from everything.
This close to the border, can't wait until they need one, reality is a real bitch at times.
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"*But after nine overhauls of our public education system in less than 30 years, according to Pew Research Center data, the U.S. has fallen in world standings for education, to 39th in math and 24th in reading. We are officially behind Estonia. Ö The schools arenít getting the job done."
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"*But after nine overhauls of our public education system in less than 30 years, according to Pew Research Center data, the U.S. has fallen in world standings for education, to 39th in math and 24th in reading. We are officially behind Estonia. … The schools aren’t getting the job done."
in fact this particular statist long con is working exactly as intended, over the last 60 years, with trillions of FRNs in borrowing to fund it with endless debt that will not ever be paid off.

as much fun as it may be to do, blaming the victims of this exploitation scam does not alter that reality,
but emancipating the intended victims from state indoctrination and homeschooling them does.
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Kids around here are playing outside all the time...riding bikes, fishing, playing ball, flying kites, running after dogs, gardening, and having bonfires with their families. Maybe my neighbors are exceptions to the trend, but it does my heart good to see it. I ran wild outdoors continuously growing up.
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Natural selection will eventually have its way.
so will law of the jungle.

that which cannot continue, will not continue.

kids are not the problem, and never have been;

head-up-ass adults are the problem.

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In 1950 the world population was only 2 billion.

Teenagers could by cars cheap and wire them together, and everyone had to work, and get exercise by surviving everyday life.

Soccer is not going to save the current generation of ANTIFA teenagers eating at Panara everyday. They are doomed from the start in the next huge crisis.

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It's because there is nobody at the county/municipality/school district level planning things out like they used to.

In the past, schools were in neighborhoods. You lived in the neighborhood, you walked to the school that was logically built in that neighborhood.

At some point, new housing developments/subdivisions became very segmented off from everything else. A developer owned all the land and wanted a house on every .25 acre of land and there was no profit in allowing a school to be built anywhere in that development, and governments didn't demand it.

So schools were all built away from neighborhoods, often concentrated into large campus type affairs. That meant nobody could walk there even if they wanted due to the distance, and lack of sidewalks to boot.

So even kids in theory who were in walking distance...have to take the bus.

It's all a result of bad planning and greed and nobody standing up for common sense.

You could argue the districts save money by having one mega-grade school vs. 3 smaller ones in neighborhoods...but when you factor in busing costs, do they really save money?
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Government has gotten us to this point.

Of course we in theory elect the government, so logically we'd be to blame. But really, are we?

Who has poisoned our society? It all points back to the events after WW2 that took us down this road, the invasion of the marxists, communists, socialists.

from the article:

"Not letting your kid climb a tree because he might fall robs him of a classic childhood experience. "

I tell my kids not to do anything that might get them hurt. Not because I want to rob them of experiences, but because with a $5,000 insurance deductible (Thanks to Obama and the Democrats ******* up the insurance industry), I can't AFFORD the financial blow a trip the the ER for a broken arm or leg would be. Bones will mend up, but a trip the ER can send us further down the road to bankruptcy.

When I was young, we could afford to do stupid things because a broken arm wouldn't wipe out the family savings. Now...things are different.
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It's because there is nobody at the county/municipality/school district level planning things out like they used to.

In the past, schools were in neighborhoods. You lived in the neighborhood, you walked to the school that was logically built in that neighborhood.

At some point, new housing developments/subdivisions became very segmented off from everything else. A developer owned all the land and wanted a house on every .25 acre of land and there was no profit in allowing a school to be built anywhere in that development, and governments didn't demand it.

So schools were all built away from neighborhoods, often concentrated into large campus type affairs. That meant nobody could walk there even if they wanted due to the distance, and lack of sidewalks to boot.

So even kids in theory who were in walking distance...have to take the bus.

It's all a result of bad planning and greed and nobody standing up for common sense.

You could argue the districts save money by having one mega-grade school vs. 3 smaller ones in neighborhoods...but when you factor in busing costs, do they really save money?
Yes, to your question, a great deal of money is actually saved, by having one large school vs three or four smaller ones.
Schools like most other businesses are personnel cost driven.
Using four schools combined into one;
You save the cost of not having three principals, three assistants, three secretaries, three school nurses, and on and on and on.
You save the retirement and also the "package" costs, insurance, sick and vacation days, cost of continuing education, smaller fleet of vehicles, etc.

School buses last 15 to 20 years, school bus drivers can be paid 15 an hour, not an FTE, so no package cost etc.

The proper question, is if combining 4 schools into one to save money is best for the student.

The answer from my viewpoint, is no.

Schools are paid for by the tax payers.
In many schools, when its parent teacher night, or when a school board meets, the lack of parents attending is shocking.
Parents are the people who pay for the schools, but their lack of involvement in schools is appalling.

Parents get the quality school they fund, the quality school they demand from the school boards, and in a great many instances, in the manner and means they raise their children inside the home.

I can teach gifted or just highly motivated (taught by their parents) students who show up on time, are well prepared, properly feed, clean, and well mannered looking to learn damn near anything in record time.

Walk thru a middle school and count the number of pregnant students, take a walk down a hallway and break up half dozen fist/knife fights, try speaking to a child about math when their parents are at home stoned out of their minds, the child has not eaten anything but candy bars, if that, over the past several days, or was born to a drug taking mother and is brain damaged, who is living in a place without power or running water, druggers don't pay power and water bills or even hold jobs, and on and on.

Drive by most schools and they have as much security as a state prison, three or four fences, guards, etc.

We have many failures in the home and at the school house.
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Guys, don't get lost in the forest looking at the trees, there are serious issues in education no doubt, and the Prussian model get us there by design, but this is also a parental and societal/legal based issue.

This commie subversion and creation of dependent sheep is a three pronged attack.
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Yes, to your question, a great deal of money is actually saved, by having one large school vs three or four smaller ones.
Schools like most other businesses are personnel cost driven.
Using four schools combined into one;
You save the cost of not having three principals, three assistants, three secretaries, three school nurses, and on and on and on.
You save the retirement and also the "package" costs, insurance, sick and vacation days, cost of continuing education, smaller fleet of vehicles, etc.

School buses last 15 to 20 years, school bus drivers can be paid 15 an hour, not an FTE, so no package cost etc.

The proper question, is if combining 4 schools into one to save money is best for the student.

The answer from my viewpoint, is no.

Schools are paid for by the tax payers.
In many schools, when its parent teacher night, or when a school board meets, the lack of parents attending is shocking.
Parents are the people who pay for the schools, but their lack of involvement in schools is appalling.

Parents get the quality school they fund, the quality school they demand from the school boards, and in a great many instances, in the manner and means they raise their children inside the home.

I can teach gifted or just highly motivated (taught by their parents) students who show up on time, are well prepared, properly feed, clean, and well mannered looking to learn damn near anything in record time.

Walk thru a middle school and count the number of pregnant students, take a walk down a hallway and break up half dozen fist/knife fights, try speaking to a child about math when their parents are at home stoned out of their minds, the child has not eaten anything but candy bars, if that, over the past several days, or was born to a drug taking mother and is brain damaged, who is living in a place without power or running water, druggers don't pay power and water bills or even hold jobs, and on and on.

Drive by most schools and they have as much security as a state prison, three or four fences, guards, etc.

We have many failures in the home and at the school house.
Mostly agree with both you & Tak

huge BUT though

All across the rural midwest there has been rampant consolidations of school districts...abandoned schools are every where and children are often bused up to 60 miles or more just to arrive at the new County super school

Yeah that's well over three hours on a damn bus five days a week and remember, half the year conditions can get damn awful in the winter.

When I was young it was rare we had school called off over storms & it was NEVER called off over it just being -40 but you just can't be bussing kids for hours in that weather either.

In our border communities here in MN there has been little consolidation of the districts and there are a few rank tiny schools. For example the North West Angle still maintains a one room school house thats like K-8th grade ? and there is another slightly larger one at Loman mid way between Baudette and International Falls that's K-12 but seem to recall the graduating classes are well under 20 kids.

North Dakota is a different story and yeah kids get bussed well over an hour as they have consolidated the entire Counties there
That's just stupid.

Something you may not be aware of but is rather true is that the quickest way to destroy a rural community is to close it's school. Schools and churches form the foundation of these communities...seen this happen quite a few times now in North Dakota. Once the local school goes so goes many of the young families. That in turn chokes the local churches and business...within just a few years to a decade the business district dies as do most of the places of worship. Usually they are lucky to maintain a resturant and a bar.

It's pretty wild YH. I can take you to communities that were vibrant, yeah small but had a cozy business district with nice homes being built yearly that lost their local school to consolidation programs and are now virtually abandoned. The only upside is you can often purchase a very light fixer upper split level built in the 80s for a paltry ten grand. Thing is to go grocery shopping you have to drive maybe 50 miles.

What has occurred in much of North Dakota is Urban folks are buying these places up as "hunting shacks"
Some are still owned by locals who rent them out like a substitute motel room...I stay in those places often out there, like twenty bucks a night for a whole damn furnished home !

Anyways the consolidation fad while saving tax dollars has actually cost much more than it's ever saved in my opinion.
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...Anyways the consolidation fad while saving tax dollars has actually cost much more than it's ever saved in my opinion.
its not just your opinion, it is fact.

central planning/control is more cost efficient, but only at the trade off of disproportionately higher opportunity costs at every level; by cannibalizing future prosperity to prop up the return-on-investment for the next quarter.

federalization of the (former) states has "optimized" costs, but has also obliterated freedom/responsibility/prosperity -- and the kids did not do that, the head-up-ass adults did that, while the kids are the ones that get to pay for it, and pay dearly.

victimizing the young usually is the optimum choice for cost efficiency, since the kids have no means to fight back.


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Guys, don't get lost in the forest looking at the trees, there are serious issues in education no doubt, and the Prussian model get us there by design, but this is also a parental and societal/legal based issue.

This commie subversion and creation of dependent sheep is a three pronged attack.

prussian model works, if and only if predicated upon societal features that are no longer present in this established social hierarchy, as decided by the boomers and GGers that spawned them.
of prime concern is the complete absence of an informed electorate, as in -- it ain't there.

problems cannot be solved on the same level of thinking that created the problems.

"more state" is not the solution, "more state" is the problem.

the correct answer to "more state" is: "less state; more freedom".
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One thing not addressed in the article was the real change, legions of young boys being raised by Women in single parent households. Many of the boys became outright sissy men.
Known a few who had great Moms, made sure their boys learned manly things but knew others who treated theirs like little girls, yeah even making them wear dresses, piercing their ears, letting their hair grow out
Allowing a single mother to raise a child is the worst form of child abuse that doesn't involve sex and a dungeon. But you'll never see anyone criticize single mothers, because every writer, news anchor, etc, knows that if they do, they'll be unemployed for the rest of their life.

Women are simply incapable of raising boys into men. They can't even raise girls into women. They can raise toddlers into children, but they can't do anything past that because they're essentially children themselves, and children can't raise other children into proper adults. Especially their sons, because the mother is not a man, and cannot understand how men think. They can raise their sons to be snowflake little b1tches, and good little servants that no woman who's less than 30 will ever want.

Or they can raise them into feral little thugs. That happens sometimes too.

Schools:

As long as those without kids are getting the he11 taxed out of us to pay for schools, I'm 100% in favor of consolidating schools, cutting after-school programs, cutting breakfast/lunch/snacks, cutting out as many teachers and administrators as possible, etc. How bad the schools are, how far the little monsters have to ride a bus, whether or not their bellies are full, all of this is a big fat load of Not My Fraggin Problem. My problem is being taxed to support other people's bad decisions.
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....As long as those without kids are getting the he11 taxed out of us to pay for schools, I'm 100% in favor of consolidating schools, cutting after-school programs, cutting breakfast/lunch/snacks, cutting out as many teachers and administrators as possible, etc. How bad the schools are, how far the little monsters have to ride a bus, whether or not their bellies are full, all of this is a big fat load of Not My Fraggin Problem. My problem is being taxed to support other people's bad decisions.
takers vs. makers,
as implemented by the picking of winners and losers as public policy.

take a look at any local school near you, and you will see the teachers are outnumbered by admins (some places by as much as 4 to 1),and all the admin positions are all filled, while the teachers positions are understaffed by 15-20%, yet no admins ever pull a shift as substitute to spread the load out (to no ones' surprise).
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Mostly agree with both you & Tak

huge BUT though

All across the rural midwest there has been rampant consolidations of school districts...abandoned schools are every where and children are often bused up to 60 miles or more just to arrive at the new County super school

Yeah that's well over three hours on a damn bus five days a week and remember, half the year conditions can get damn awful in the winter.

When I was young it was rare we had school called off over storms & it was NEVER called off over it just being -40 but you just can't be bussing kids for hours in that weather either.

In our border communities here in MN there has been little consolidation of the districts and there are a few rank tiny schools. For example the North West Angle still maintains a one room school house thats like K-8th grade ? and there is another slightly larger one at Loman mid way between Baudette and International Falls that's K-12 but seem to recall the graduating classes are well under 20 kids.

North Dakota is a different story and yeah kids get bussed well over an hour as they have consolidated the entire Counties there
That's just stupid.

Something you may not be aware of but is rather true is that the quickest way to destroy a rural community is to close it's school. Schools and churches form the foundation of these communities...seen this happen quite a few times now in North Dakota. Once the local school goes so goes many of the young families. That in turn chokes the local churches and business...within just a few years to a decade the business district dies as do most of the places of worship. Usually they are lucky to maintain a resturant and a bar.

It's pretty wild YH. I can take you to communities that were vibrant, yeah small but had a cozy business district with nice homes being built yearly that lost their local school to consolidation programs and are now virtually abandoned. The only upside is you can often purchase a very light fixer upper split level built in the 80s for a paltry ten grand. Thing is to go grocery shopping you have to drive maybe 50 miles.

What has occurred in much of North Dakota is Urban folks are buying these places up as "hunting shacks"
Some are still owned by locals who rent them out like a substitute motel room...I stay in those places often out there, like twenty bucks a night for a whole damn furnished home !

Anyways the consolidation fad while saving tax dollars has actually cost much more than it's ever saved in my opinion.
Said same thing.

""The proper question, is if combining 4 schools into one to save money is best for the student.

The answer from my viewpoint, is no.""

I just retired from the education system, well, coming up on 2 years this December, and my advice for most folks, don;t put their children into the mega box schools.

We raised our son thru the DOD system, which for most part, were small local schools, where the kids all walked to school or rode their bikes.
Of course, whole place, fort, complex, etc, had damn good security.
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as implemented by the picking of winners and losers as public policy.

take a look at any local school near you, and you will see the teachers are outnumbered by admins (some places by as much as 4 to 1),and all the admin positions are all filled, while the teachers positions are understaffed by 15-20%, yet no admins ever pull a shift as substitute to spread the load out (to no ones' surprise).
I can't think of any institution that has let the country down more than education has. Plus they have no shame for what they have done to the country.
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No shame? This was their objective. They have achieved what they set out to do.
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Agreed but they have no idea of the unintended consequences of what they have done.
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With respect you don't seem to get it. These are not unintended consequences, they are intended. They don't want what you do.
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all available evidence demonstrates clearly that the consequences/results are exactly as intended.
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With respect you don't seem to get it. These are not unintended consequences, they are intended. They don't want what you do.
With respect, no doubt they intended it to be the way it is today but there will be side effects to what they have done that they didn't realize would happen. At some time the tree will bear a fruit they don't recognize. The commies took over countries and the first thing they did was kill all the politicions and school teachers and start re education of the masses.

By destroying the standards of teaching they open the doors to communism as people can't learn to make a living. In the past the teachers were the first to die in a commie takeover. Plus until the overthrow society will struggle in ways we haven't seen.
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all available evidence demonstrates clearly that the consequences/results are exactly as intended.
Damn little in this world travels in one direction without rocks in the road that changes its path. They dumb our kids down but have no idea what life will be like living around dumb people. They build a society where folks work for nothing and can't have anything, teachers will go teach to find all they worked for gone when they get home. Their cars broken into, their parents brutilized at the stores.

Ya they built this world just the way they wanted.
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A very good case can be made, that when parents stopped raising their own children, teaching values, mores, right from wrong, that turning all this over to the education system was a huge contributing factor in the demise of public education.

There is more than enough fault to go around.

Said another way, demanding teachers "raise" 30 or more children not their own is simply asking for trouble.

Folks can teach or they can parent, damn hard to do both at same time.
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With respect, no doubt they intended it to be the way it is today but there will be side effects to what they have done that they didn't realize would happen. At some time the tree will bear a fruit they don't recognize. The commies took over countries and the first thing they did was kill all the politicions and school teachers and start re education of the masses.

By destroying the standards of teaching they open the doors to communism as people can't learn to make a living. In the past the teachers were the first to die in a commie takeover. Plus until the overthrow society will struggle in ways we haven't seen.
Why do you think communists want folks to make a living? Why do you think they care if teachers die or not? And do you think they don't have plans on the shelf for an eventual reaction by the drug-addled football-blinded managed herd, that is the few that eventually will react?

In fact what makes you think they care two whits whether the world survives or not? They freely admit one of their goals is to prune the global population back to a few dozen millions rather than the billions that exist now.

Nope, they've been working this thing for generations. And on this side of the fence half the folks are still in denial that this plan, conspiracy if you will even exists at all, or that the stuff you see all around you is somehow unintentional despite all evidence to the contrary.

I would suggest they have succeeded beyond their expectations.
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A very good case can be made, that when parents stopped raising their own children, teaching values, mores, right from wrong, that turning all this over to the education system was a huge contributing factor in the demise of public education.

There is more than enough fault to go around.

Said another way, demanding teachers "raise" 30 or more children not their own is simply asking for trouble.

Folks can teach or they can parent, damn hard to do both at same time.
Well, in fairness, I'm sure Bubba can recognize the difference between the "Education System" and educators. There is no shortage of commie educators, but not every educator is a commie. I sent this article to my students and parents to read, I have my students read one of Gatto's Teacher of the Year Award acceptance speeches to kick off the year every year. I encourage them to question education at every turn. You'd be surprised at the number of kids who "get it", despite being educated in public schools, which is likely indicative of good parenting.

But, some of my brightest students have been homeschooled, and they just come to the high school when their parents run out of expertise and they need to take advanced science and math classes.

But, most of the article is not so much about education, despite some chomping at the bit to point out its nefarious nature, as it is the broader problem of indoctrination via state forced propaganda and legal consequences, the goal is to do away with rugged individualism, independence and critical thinking and replace it with subservient, dependent sheep. Education is just one weapon in the arsenal.
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Why do you think communists want folks to make a living? Why do you think they care if teachers die or not? And do you think they don't have plans on the shelf for an eventual reaction by the drug-addled football-blinded managed herd, that is the few that eventually will react?

In fact what makes you think they care two whits whether the world survives or not? They freely admit one of their goals is to prune the global population back to a few dozen millions rather than the billions that exist now.

Nope, they've been working this thing for generations. And on this side of the fence half the folks are still in denial that this plan, conspiracy if you will even exists at all, or that the stuff you see all around you is somehow unintentional despite all evidence to the contrary.

I would suggest they have succeeded beyond their expectations.
I may be wrong but I always felt people want a better life. So it kinda pains me that the educators are so willing to destroy the best living on the planet and for what? These are educated people that go to work every day and kill America just a little more. Plus they kill their neighbors, what kind of people shit in their own bed like this?

Edited to add, there really isn't any reason to go on talking about this, we beat it to death thread after thread. See you guys later.
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I may be wrong but I always felt people want a better life. So it kinda pains me that the educators are so willing to destroy the best living on the planet and for what? These are educated people that go to work every day and kill America just a little more. Plus they kill their neighbors, what kind of people shit in their own bed like this?

Edited to add, there really isn't any reason to go on talking about this, we beat it to death thread after thread. See you guys later.
They do want a better life. Just not for everyone. They are not like us. For what it's worth most 'educators' are what the communists famously call useful idiots. They are not the smartest or most capable, in fact the ones involved in public ed are overwhelmingly unemployable in anything really useful and know very little about their alleged fields. They are education majors after all, not physics, chemists, mathematicians, historians or literary geniuses. And it's worth noting that the so-called 'education' discipline is nothing but a fabrication of, you guessed it, the public education industry.
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Well, in fairness, I'm sure Bubba can recognize the difference between the "Education System" and educators. There is no shortage of commie educators, but not every educator is a commie. I sent this article to my students and parents to read, I have my students read one of Gatto's Teacher of the Year Award acceptance speeches to kick off the year every year. I encourage them to question education at every turn. You'd be surprised at the number of kids who "get it", despite being educated in public schools, which is likely indicative of good parenting.

But, some of my brightest students have been homeschooled, and they just come to the high school when their parents run out of expertise and they need to take advanced science and math classes.

But, most of the article is not so much about education, despite some chomping at the bit to point out its nefarious nature, as it is the broader problem of indoctrination via state forced propaganda and legal consequences, the goal is to do away with rugged individualism, independence and critical thinking and replace it with subservient, dependent sheep. Education is just one weapon in the arsenal.
Bubba and I tend to agree on most things, agree, he fully knows the difference.

When parents demand change, change will occur.

When anyone in a school begins the communist indoctrination crap, parents can pull the plug, if enough care to get involved.
Show up, demand it stop, and if met with resistance, simply pull the kids out of that school, enroll in a charter school or a church school.

You and I both know, removing children en mass from any school by parents will put a quick stop to any bull shit.

As normal, the leftist progressives are dedicated to their cause and the right conservatives are not.

When the left plays their shit, conservatives need to play hardball, and voting with their feet to other options is one that can't be defeated.

Just takes enough people standing firm.

This shit got this way, because people don;t care enough to get their asses involved, organized, and are convinced, by the left, they can't win.

People want change, then fight, it won;t be handed to you.
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RJ, you and I should start a business, bringing down failing schools, schools that are full of communist progressives, organizing parents, changing leadership, firing teachers, changing curriculum's, etc.

We'd just become hired guns, going from school to school.

Until time we can open our post collapse whore house chain, might be a good thing to get started, sure as hell a need for it.
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Meh, it's so much easier to piss and moan about education on the internet than actually do something.

But, for the reading challenged, the article wasn't really about education or the education system, that's just what people wanted to bitch and moan about.
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"*But after nine overhauls of our public education system in less than 30 years, according to Pew Research Center data, the U.S. has fallen in world standings for education, to 39th in math and 24th in reading. We are officially behind Estonia. Ö The schools arenít getting the job done."
How are the U.S. students doing when you correct for race?
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Well, in fairness, I'm sure Bubba can recognize the difference between the "Education System" and educators. There is no shortage of commie educators, but not every educator is a commie. I sent this article to my students and parents to read, I have my students read one of Gatto's Teacher of the Year Award acceptance speeches to kick off the year every year. I encourage them to question education at every turn. You'd be surprised at the number of kids who "get it", despite being educated in public schools, which is likely indicative of good parenting.

But, some of my brightest students have been homeschooled, and they just come to the high school when their parents run out of expertise and they need to take advanced science and math classes.

But, most of the article is not so much about education, despite some chomping at the bit to point out its nefarious nature, as it is the broader problem of indoctrination via state forced propaganda and legal consequences, the goal is to do away with rugged individualism, independence and critical thinking and replace it with subservient, dependent sheep. Education is just one weapon in the arsenal.
You da man, RJ. This nails it.


And I agree with you - I'm sure that bubbagump knows the difference between the "education system" (man, did Pink Floyd nail that shit, or what?!), and teachers. I had some great teachers. I had some broke-ass jokers. The fact that the system didn't care was the problem - and it treated and compensated the losers, liars, and knuckleheads just the same (or better) than the people who gave a damn.

Keep fighting, man. You're one of the good ones.
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You're funny!

Just Asking that question at an education conference, and you better have 200 EMT's standing by, or not, to bring the gathering back to life from heart failure.

All people are not born equal, is another one that will kick start a stampede of PC bullshit.
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Meh, it's so much easier to piss and moan about education on the internet than actually do something.

But, for the reading challenged, the article wasn't really about education or the education system, that's just what people wanted to bitch and moan about.
Correct, it's about the general sissification of children, particularly the boys parents place in a protective bubble...full blown Generation Nerf

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Did you grow up with games like "Killer Ball" ?
this was something boys and girls played in school gyms
Object was "tagging" someone on the opposing team with a large rather hard ball either by throwing or kicking it into them...ton of injuries.
damn brutal really.

How about BB and pellet gun wars ?
We had those all the time, only rule was no head shots.
By our early teens we evolved it into .22LR wars. No body or head shots, object was to graze. Pretty much Red Indian Paint Ball. I have a mess of scars from that foolishness.

I'm here to tell you rural kids were vicious little shits

Torturing animals ?
shit yeah boys did that shit regularly.
for example I never knew one boy who had a BB gun that wasn't trying to kill things with it. Wasn't about making meat, just straight cold blooded murder.

An experiment in gender socialization
give most little girls a stick as a plaything many will treat it as a fantasy infant. Give little boys the same stick most use it as a weapon, beating things with it or throwing it at something.

Used to be everyone but the shuttered in elderly wacko neighborhood Cat Lady understood these things. We had a neighbor like that who constantly called the cops whenever she saw kids popping birds. She was really on my ass when I started trapping the Cattail beds in the river in front of her home at around 7 years old for Muskrat and Mink. Old bitch would come out raving. Hell there were a bunch of us youngsters trapping back then. Quite often you ended up with a live one you beat to death with a hammer handle or chunk of hockey stick.

Thing is today maybe even up here such a child would be labeled by some retard liberal as deviate. Buddies daughter wants me to start teaching her boy to trap. I still have over 100 traps, boy seems keen on it so maybe. I just have concerns some retard at the school who grew up in some damn City will get all offended if the kid starts talking about clubbing live animals and skinning them these days.

Few years back one youngster ended up in the shit after writing a report regarding butchering up Chickens with his Uncle up here. Yeah shit has gotten that stupid, that's part of why I tend to be a bit hard on you folks in the education field. Admittedly likely too hard.
You were correct in another thread, I don't know you. When you invoke Gatto, I guess you really are one of the good ones
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Race???? RACE???? That is the point. There is no race. Someone might fall down, go boom, skin their wittoh knee.

Besides, if their was a RACE, there might be one winner, and we can't have that, now can we. Where's my fugkin' participation trophy???????: eek:


P.S. I'm not talking about your kids, Brunop. The ones I've met are pretty cool.
That was directed at the status quo of the present system, with a twist on your use of the word race.
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