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Old December 12, 2012, 23:57   #51
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and once again the gun jammed...get ready because you know what's coming...

bushmaster?

the banning of malls?
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Old December 13, 2012, 00:57   #52
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I talked to my buddy today who lives nearby. He said that eyewitnesses are saying that the guy shot at people a few times, but that most of his firing was up into the ceiling - like he was herding the people in one direction and liked seeing them run.

Also, there are eyewitnesses that are saying that his magazine fell out of the rifle onto the floor, and that he bent down to pick it up again and put it back in the rifle.

I doubt it 'jammed'. I bet a bunch he didn't seat the mag (push/pull) properly, and had a malfunction because of it. C'mon guys, I know the AR isn't the FAL of reliability, but even recreational ARs will run 300 rounds without crapping the bed.

And tdb59 is right - reporters don't know one thing from another on this topic, so whatever is coming in is a mess. The 'Oregonian' reporter (sports writer?) who happened to go in the mall upon hearing the shooting (maybe directly afterward?) said he heard upwards of 60 shots being fired. I. Doubt. It. But he wrote it, so maybe it's true...

Final point - the cops were on this scene and in the mall in a couple of minutes. Whether there were a buncha douches in other places at other times, the Clackamas County guys seems to nail this one down pretty well. I shot a Thunder Ranch class with six or seven Clackamas County guys on two different occasions - they were good guys who would (and in some cases already have) run to the sound of guns. I'd take that bunch on my side - no matter what JasonB says.
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Old December 13, 2012, 08:01   #53
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Just two killed other than himself? I hate to say it, but any decent shooter could rack up a body count in the hundreds if they went off the deep end... be thankful these nuts all seem to suck as shots.

Anyone here who couldn't do this kind of damage with a bolt or lever gun within a couple minutes on unarmed targets who aren't shooting back needs to break out their white cane, not that anyone has that inclination. Semi automatic "assault rifles" have nothing to do with it.
Exactly. These freaks crawl out of the woodwork and have no idea how to use the evil black rifles, yet we are about to hear from the media these firearms are the sole cause of the murders. Sounds like a six shooter would have been more dangerous for this stooge to have been carrying. Would have doubled his bodycount.
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Exactly. These freaks crawl out of the woodwork and have no idea how to use the evil black rifles, yet we are about to hear from the media these firearms are the sole cause of the murders. Sounds like a six shooter would have been more dangerous for this stooge to have been carrying. Would have doubled his bodycount.



Yep.A 12 guage would have upped it as well.
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Old December 13, 2012, 09:18   #55
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bushmaster?

the banning of malls?



TSA checkpoints at all mall entrances???
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Old December 13, 2012, 09:50   #56
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Their goal was money not killing people.
And they weren't shooting point blank.

Imagine if it was their goal and they went into a mall double armored up.

Don't recall their AKs jamming either.




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Actually, the underfolder AK did jam (carried by the guy on foot), he went to his sidearm and later decided to shoot himself.
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AK's don't jam!
That crappy steel cased ammo probably blew it up...
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