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Old August 12, 2017, 16:11   #1
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Hey DSA, fix your receivers!

For those in doubt of DSA's quality control issues on their receivers lately please watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg9Z...ature=youtu.be
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Old August 12, 2017, 18:39   #2
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It is almost as if Obama and his ATF, ordered Coonan and DSA to build guns that could not be used, as part of his "under the radar" program to hit the gun community.
Do not comply and build junk...then Be audited and put out of business.

Now if this begins to happen to the AR receivers........... or other kit firearms receivers...........

I am not that paranoid about bureaucrazy, but I am concerned enough that this began back a while, just after Sandy Hook.
It begs credulity that the computer program could not be tweeked to fix this..... or to actually institute this to frustrate gun builders.

Remember ITAR?
The attempted lead and ammo bans?
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Old August 12, 2017, 18:55   #3
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It is almost as if Obama and his ATF, ordered Coonan and DSA to build guns that could not be used, as part of his "under the radar" program to hit the gun community.
Do not comply and build junk...then Be audited and put out of business.

Now if this begins to happen to the AR receivers........... or other kit firearms receivers...........

I am not that paranoid about bureaucrazy, but I am concerned enough that this began back a while, just after Sandy Hook.
It begs credulity that the computer program could not be tweeked to fix this..... or to actually institute this to frustrate gun builders.

Remember ITAR?
The attempted lead and ammo bans?
It's very clearly a Republicant conspiracy dreamed up by Daddy Bush (1989) to protect Big Firearms like the idiots at Remington, Winchester, Ruger, etc.
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Old August 12, 2017, 21:01   #4
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LOL....even a DSA mag has issues in their own receivers. How clear does Mark have to make it? IF DSA can't see it/correct it, then they are deliberately ignoring an issue.
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On purpose..............

Of course Century Arms was not in on the plot long ago, they just did not produce a well crafted product.

BUT it may have given Obama the whole idea to order sabotage by the ATF, onto Coonan and DSA, from their banks. Obama hated the Files, you know; with an epidemic of misfiring, unreliable FAL guns, it is his joke on us.

Obama tried to get the banks to stop working with gunshops and mfg's elsewhere and gave us ITAR.
ItAR makes it illegal to fix the defective receivers.

If there is a problem in the firearms arena, than Obama caused it.............2009-2017, It is all Obama and his deep state machinations.
Occams razor--the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

Coonan and DSA, could in one hour, correct all the defects in the programs............but they won't. Why?
Hell there are programers here who could do it. It is not the where or how, but the why....and that adds up to government interference because it is too dangerous to have FAL's working out there.

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So now it's the angry beavers vs the drunk monkeys......
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Old August 13, 2017, 09:23   #7
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So now it's the angry beavers vs the drunk monkeys......

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Old August 15, 2017, 12:27   #8
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The problems in the video posted are EXACTLY what my DSA Voyager did right out of the box. I had better luck with DSA mags but not one single milsurp mag fit. Gunplumber fixed her up and now she runs like a champ.
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Old August 15, 2017, 12:53   #9
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The problems in the video posted are EXACTLY what my DSA Voyager did right out of the box. I had better luck with DSA mags but not one single milsurp mag fit. Gunplumber fixed her up and now she runs like a champ.


Well this isn't good I better check the SA58 I just bought. If there was a problem with it I hope the previous owner sent it back and have it fixed.

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Old August 15, 2017, 13:46   #10
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Now I wish I had some surplus mags to try in my Tac Carbine. All I have are DSA 20, 25, and 30 rounders (2 30's won't allow the bolt to go into battery from lip friction on the cartridge. Both have grind marks on the lips where a factory tech messed with them, but still don't work) as well as a bunch of moses mags. All of those had to be cut to fit in both the locking tab and left feed lip to allow the bolt to drop and lock. MMW, when communication was still open, walked me through the process and said it was a known issue that nearly 3/4 of DSA receivers had.


So out of the 18 mags I have, only 6 worked without modification, a 67% failure rate. Not from the problem listed above, but still inoperable. Yes....its just a sample size of two manufacturers.....but still...


DSA26XXX serial range BTW. So earlier than the one in the video. Purchased in 2013.

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Old August 15, 2017, 17:46   #11
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simplest explanation

The real explanation is simply lack of pride in their work. DSA & Coonan does not think there is much of a market in FAL receivers & since they don't have in-house cnc programming expertise, they're just not going to bother fixing the errors. Nothing to do with any Obama conspiracy.
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The problems in the video posted are EXACTLY what my DSA Voyager did right out of the box. I had better luck with DSA mags but not one single milsurp mag fit. Gunplumber fixed her up and now she runs like a champ.
He has a secret deal with them that they screw stuff up so he gets more business.
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Old August 15, 2017, 21:59   #13
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Really Swohfal. The man is trying to prove a point. This has been a long time coming since Dsa started making there in house receivers. I am confident that Mark can speak for me and others who have had problems with these receivers. He has a lot of valuable experience and if Mark wants to send a message since in my opinion he is one of the best of Us then let the man send it. Great job Mark.

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Old August 15, 2017, 22:01   #14
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Years ago when I bought a STG-58 from DSA, I was happy with their
products. No now. The guide rod from my Para broke after 300 rounds
and now the lever on the gas plug assembly flew off when firing.

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Old August 16, 2017, 13:37   #15
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I have DSA derangement syndrome from dealing with their garbage products. Bought 2 receivers from them a few months ago. Both defective. Bolt over base, mag well problems and wouldn't feed from the left side. They are currently being worked on by a fellow board member and FAL smith.

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Old August 16, 2017, 14:43   #16
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Just wait for the Brit cut L1A1 receiver video - it's not going well.
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Imbel is the only way to build an FAL or StG.58.

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Old August 16, 2017, 16:15   #18
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The worst part of it is that DSA just plain doesn't give a shit. There is really no other explanation for it.
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Old August 16, 2017, 16:58   #19
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so, no good manufactures of receivers left? hopefully, they will fix this.
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Old August 16, 2017, 17:04   #20
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That just sucks. I have three rifles built on the old LMT receivers, and the things run perfectly. I know that DSA is making their own receivers now, but what the hell happened that their stuff turned to shit? Can somebody explain why they stopped production with LMT? Is it that the market is shrinking for FAL related parts?
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Reason DSA stopped production with LMT was the fact they were able to start building receivers in house and supposedly save money and control their over all number of how many receivers they needed for that month.Once I found out that the owner told me that he was going to in house production, I stopped buying from DSA once the owner told me that.
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I think they could make the receivers more like the lmt but then there would be fitting issues with the barrels as surplus are long gone
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Reason DSA stopped production with LMT was the fact they were able to start building receivers in house and supposedly save money and control their over all number of how many receivers they needed for that month.Once I found out that the owner told me that he was going to in house production, I stopped buying from DSA once the owner told me that.

I hate to hear that. Thanks for the explanation.
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I think they could make the receivers more like the lmt but then there would be fitting issues with the barrels as surplus are long gone

Not an expert machinist by any means, but it makes me wonder what about their in-house barrels was so different from Mil-Surp ones? I have never owned an FAL with a DSA barrel on it, so I don't know.
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Not an expert machinist by any means, but it makes me wonder what about their in-house barrels was so different from Mil-Surp ones? I have never owned an FAL with a DSA barrel on it, so I don't know.
They made a bunch of barrels that over-timed. Dave would have lost a lot of money on it if he was honest and admitted the barrels were defective. Heck, he could have included a .006" shim with it and sold it for a slight discount, keeping the receivers correct. Instead, Dave's like "hey, let me have the receivers made to under-time, so I can save these barrels." For DSA builds, an under-timed receiver and an over-timed barrel "worked".

But then he decided "f-ck my stupid customers, I'll not just pair these in house, I'll also sell the defective barrels and the defective receivers individually, without revealing the defects of either." And so he did.

And then I get them in for builds (along with others) and post about their defects. And then R1shooter (DSA's paid whore) comes on with lie after lie trying to malign me for pointing out the specific defects. The worst of which was claiming "FN Has no timing spec". So I post the blueprints calling out the timing at the 7th cline, showing once again what a lying piece of shit he is.

And the beat goes on.

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I believe it would be helpful to be more specific on which barrels were over timed. Here is my DSA inch barrel which times about 10 o'clock.

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They made a bunch of barrels that over-timed. Dave would have lost a lot of money on it if he was honest and admitted the barrels were defective. Heck, he could have included a .006" shim with it and sold it for a slight discount, keeping the receivers correct. Instead, Dave's like "hey, let me have the receivers made to under-time, so I can save these barrels." For DSA builds, an under-timed receiver and an over-timed barrel "worked".

But then he decided "f-ck my stupid customers, I'll not just pair these in house, I'll also sell the defective barrels and the defective receivers individually, without revealing the defects of either." And so he did.

And then I get them in for builds (along with others) and post about their defects. And then R1shooter (DSA's paid whore) comes on with lie after lie trying to malign me for pointing out the specific defects. The worst of which was claiming "FN Has no timing spec". So I post the blueprints calling out the timing at the 7th cline, showing once again what a lying piece of shit he is.

And the beat goes on.

It's the Chicago Way.
Pretty shitty way to run a business. Thanks for the explanation.
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Not an expert machinist by any means, but it makes me wonder what about their in-house barrels was so different from Mil-Surp ones? I have never owned an FAL with a DSA barrel on it, so I don't know.
I don't recall any issues with the DSA G1 barrels other than I thought they were over priced. They did sell out quickly.
The only issue I found with the DSA inch barrels was the sling swivel stop was cut incorrectly which was not a big deal to me and I had to cut the pin channels & drill the gas port. These barrels were sold at $90 each and sold out.
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I believe it would be helpful to be more specific on which barrels were over timed. Here is my DSA inch barrel which times about 10 o'clock.

Is that a DSA-produced receiver?
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Is that a DSA-produced receiver?
Yes it is. The barrel is over 10 years old and the receiver is new.
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Guess I am lucky, my last three DSA metric receivers took just a kiss off barrel shoulder on lathe to time correctly. All timed between 6 and 7 o'clock and didn't want to try and wrench on barrel hard enough to get timed. Basically squaring shoulder of barrel and they lined up perfect with small pipe on wrench instead of big pipe. Not set into the last pair of inch so may be a hater before they are done. DSA SPR shoots well with metric mags but learned DSA mags are designed to be removed from box and sold online to buy surplus military replacements. Been happy with their AR parts but that's a whole different animal.
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Guess I am lucky, my last three DSA metric receivers took just a kiss off barrel shoulder on lathe to time correctly. All timed between 6 and 7 o'clock and didn't want to try and wrench on barrel hard enough to get timed. Basically squaring shoulder of barrel and they lined up perfect with small pipe on wrench instead of big pipe. Not set into the last pair of inch so may be a hater before they are done. DSA SPR shoots well with metric mags but learned DSA mags are designed to be removed from box and sold online to buy surplus military replacements. Been happy with their AR parts but that's a whole different animal.
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I have to say I'm feeling better and better about my choice of purchasing an Imbel receiver and shipping it off to Mark to build into a rifle in lieu of purchasing a DSA FAL.

While it sounds like upper receivers and magazines are no go areas as far as DSA is concerned is there anything that they currently manufacture and/or sell that there's any kind of consensus are good quality products?

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Finally had time to look at my DSArms type 1, and survey says... Ship it back!
The lower pin hole in the extracted block is missed drilled! Can't even install the mag release screw
So... I'm not sure if a mag will even fit!!!
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For my edification what did DSA owner Selvaggio lie to you about?
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6-9 o'clock is common with several types of DSA metric receivers on metric barrels. It is also common with some other type of receivers depending on the metric barrel used.
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my new g1 chrome lined barrel over time on a new dsa type 1 as well/ was like .007 shim to fix it.
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He lied to everyone saying that his receivers are in spec. To much proof from a number of sources to say other wise.
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I believe it would be helpful to be more specific on which barrels were over timed. Here is my DSA inch barrel which times about 10 o'clock.


Your right side front site ear is badly bent.
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And what breeching washer?

When I evaluated these 7 L1A1 receivers yesterday, I used an L1A1 barrel stub with a breeching washer that would hand time to 10:30 (golden triangle) on two different Enfield receivers and a Lithgow. I then used that stub & washer as the standard and checked each of the other receivers. All but one aligned the same (which is good). The final one hand timed to slightly past 12:00. Which is disturbing because there should be no difference at all, on receivers machined by computer controlled equipment. I won't know 'till I barrel it on Monday if it is outside the range of available breeching washers.

DakTo has a habit of posting irrelevant photos and pretending they support some assertion (like his assurance that "mags fit" with no mag catch installed!).
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For my edification what did DSA owner Selvaggio lie to you about?
Ignorant people make me sad..

I'm saying ignorant because I really want to believe you're not that stupid...
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I don't know if you could call any of this "lying", but some of it seems kinda "far fetched" given their current problems.

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Your right side front site ear is badly bent.
That picture speaks volumes about typical DSA Quality, don't it...
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6-9 o'clock is common with several types of DSA metric receivers on metric barrels. It is also common with some other type of receivers depending on the metric barrel used.
I have used only 3 DSA receivers and all surplus barrels timed between 10:00

and 11:00 o'clock. Guess I'm just lucky.
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Ignorant people make me sad..

I'm saying ignorant because I really want to believe you're not that stupid...
Perhaps you wish to share your personal experiences with Dave Selvaggio for us? Or do you just rely on hearsay?
I have had dealings with DS Arms since the mid 1980's when they only sold FAL surplus and imported receivers in Shotgun News. Once they saw the FAL surplus market drying up they continued in the manufacturing business and have out lasted every domestic competitor on a continued basis.

Needless to say you are a historic DSA hater around here and you arms must be too short to reach that itch.

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