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Old July 31, 2017, 19:40   #601
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Last year in meetings folks were screaming it was here and they were shut down. However, NORAD is beefing up the Mountain and new raven rocks are being outfitted. Have that bad feeling.
http://www.newsmax.com/PeterPry/emps.../31/id/804782/
"Unfortunately, major intelligence failures like this are commonplace.

For example, the intelligence community was:

Surprised by the collapse of the USSR

Surprised that Saddam Hussein was within months of an A-bomb in 1991, during the first Iraq War

Surprised that Pakistan and India would become nuclear weapon states in 1998

Surprised by the 9/11 attacks and the global jihad

Surprised that Saddam Hussein had not revived his A-bomb program in 2003, a motive for the Second Iraq War

Surprised by Iran’s A-bomb program, revealed by Iranian dissidents in 2003

Surprised by Syria’s A-bomb program, supplied by North Korea, blasted out of existence by Israel in 2007

Why is the intelligence community so often so wrong?""

"""I have another surprise for the intelligence community.

North Korea can probably already strike the U.S. mainland with a high-altitude nuclear electromagnetic pulse (EMP) attack that would blackout the national electric grid and kill millions of Americans. Warnings by the Congressional EMP Commission are also apparently being ignored by the intelligence community.

The same people warning about EMP have also been warning that the intelligence community is grossly underestimating North Korea’s ICBM program. Among these sages are Dr. William R. Graham (President Reagan’s science Adviser and Chairman of the EMP Commission), Ambassador R. James Woolsey (former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency), Ambassador Henry Cooper (former director of the Strategic Defense Initiative), and Fritz Ermarth (former chairman of the National Intelligence Council).

Maybe it is time to fire those who are consistently wrong and listen to those consistently right?""
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Old July 31, 2017, 19:52   #602
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In the span of 3 days, no one would even know what happened, with a few exceptions that have heard of EMP and can add 2=2 and arrive at 4. Most would be sitting and waiting for .gov to 'do sumthin'.
People have been warned, nothing left to do except make plans to care for yourself and your love ones.

I'm happy I live where I do.
Well off the beaten pathway, good water plan, able to lock the damn gate and survive for a long time.

What gets me on all this, is that so many people actually believe North Korea would not launch an EMP weapon at us.

They hate us, we've been all up in their asses for 65 years, they hate us!
Its like the nut job that walks up on you and says he's going to kill you and people smile and say, oh, he does not really mean that!

When someone says they plan to kill you, and can actually kill you, smart folks believe them!
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Back from a week of basicly bad news.
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Lol, so how do you "EMP" 18 ohio class subs?
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Old August 11, 2017, 10:23   #605
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Lol, so how do you "EMP" 18 ohio class subs?
Like that is going to do the population here any good after an EMP strike.
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Old August 11, 2017, 11:39   #606
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So little kim now has super EMP weapons on his satellites?
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His entire program was in that direction. Those "fissels" were EMP tests. For the best EMP processes you don't want the most explosive yield. These are gamma ray enhanced weapons. The Russians provided the designs. The reason for EMP is that you don't have to bring the weapon in, so you don't need the heat shield or harden the warhead. One EMP can do the economic damage of 50 multimegaton devices.
As for the satellites, I've listened to both sides. One thing is certain: He can put up the correct payload at the right altitude on the first pass.
The one thing we could do is take one of the satellited out, to demenstrate that we can do it and have the resolve. Chinese and Russians have done it to ours. It's destruction would also provide intell about what is in it.
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Old August 11, 2017, 12:46   #608
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Lol, so how do you "EMP" 18 ohio class subs?
Kind of like saying you have a great car insurance policy after a fatal accident.
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Old August 11, 2017, 12:49   #609
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I hadn't even thought about a regional EMP in far east Asia. Been too pre-occupied with North America.

With China and India in a border clash right now even better timing for NK.
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thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/defense/346073-north-korea-just-might-be-able-to-win-a-war-if-it-begins-with-an
Well I doubt it.

In this scenario, North Korea detonates a nuclear weapon at 96 kilometers HOB (height of burst) over Tokyo. The EMP field extends from the Japanese capital to a radius of 1,080 kilometers, covering all of Japan's major home islands.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...begins-with-an

To do that it would also hit the Russian cities of Nakhodka and Vladivostok. 1,062 km
Distance from Vladivostok to Tokyo

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Well I doubt it.

In this scenario, North Korea detonates a nuclear weapon at 96 kilometers HOB (height of burst) over Tokyo. The EMP field extends from the Japanese capital to a radius of 1,080 kilometers, covering all of Japan's major home islands.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...begins-with-an

To do that it would also hit the Russian cities of Nakhodka and Vladivostok. 1,062 km
Distance from Vladivostok to Tokyo
So do I.

On the other thread about North Korea, people are looking at all of this as a game of checkers and its a chess game.

IF Russia or China came out and said they would hit the USA with EMP weapons, that would become a real concern.

Couldn't sleep last night, PTSD became my night time companion, again.

Chubs came out and said, or his people did, four missiles toward Guam.
Trumpster countered, all hell will be brought down on your head if you pull that shit.

Chubs is now in a box, fire, Trumpster calls his bluff and destroys the launch sites, maybe a nuclear site or two.

Chubs then does what, cut loose on South Korea, which would get a complete response from Trump, Japan, South Korea, and the nation and he himself dies a quick death.

China and Russia;
Chubs fires off four missiles toward Guam, or any place we will protect, and we shoot them down, a four for four.
China and Russia provided this crap to NK, does either country want the world to know, that we can shoot down their shit at will?
I think not.
We kill four of their missiles, the bluff about being great powers is over for them.

China said they would stop us from invading NK.
China can't stop the USA from doing anything.
It might try, it would be bloody, but in the end, they can't stop us from doing anything.
Then the Chinese government falls apart, if they even survive the effort.

Russia stays out of this one, they have far too many internal problems.

At this point, subject to change in five minutes seems to be a far better chance of China killing chubs and insuring the North does not become part of a unified Korea, which would become an economic powerhouse inside 20 years, one that would rival China.

Dig a bomb shelter, or replace blades on the little John Deere and knock down what we call grass here in Arizona, and most people refer to as weeds.

Off to the John Deere, something important.
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Chubs came out and said, or his people did, four missiles toward Guam.
Trumpster countered, all hell will be brought down on your head if you pull that shit.

Chubs is now in a box, fire, Trumpster calls his bluff and destroys the launch sites, maybe a nuclear site or two.
Japan has already said that they will shoot down any missiles fired toward Guam.

FYI Iran provided the nuke tech to NK.
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China and Russia;
China said they would stop us from invading NK.
China can't stop the USA from doing anything.
It might try, it would be bloody, but in the end, they can't stop us from doing anything.
Then the Chinese government falls apart, if they even survive the effort.
The communist Chinese stopped us in the 1950 s and the government survived.
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The communist Chinese stopped us in the 1950 s and the government survived.
No, not really, WE or I should say Truman, stopped us, not the Chinese.

My comment, was a total war comment, as in, no country on this earth can stop us, the US from doing anything it wants.

If a qualifier is required, to that comment, we, the USA may not survive either, at least not all in one piece.

The sheer brute force power this country holds in its hands is beyond anything ever seen in world history.
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Japan has already said that they will shoot down any missiles fired toward Guam.

FYI Iran provided the nuke tech to NK.
Damn, blades are tough to replace, but got that done, even cut some weeds.

I saw that a couple days ago, not real sure I like it, Japan and the capability to wage war has ended badly in the past for folks, but they have a stake in all this and seem geared up to fight, on the other hand, might be good having them beside us for a change.

I thought Iran got their stuff from NK??????
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I thought Iran got their stuff from NK??????
How do think NK got all the Uranium from the Obama nuke deal? It was Iran
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How do think NK got all the Uranium from the Obama nuke deal? It was Iran
Damn, didn't know that either.

You need a play card just to keep up with these connections.
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NK just might start some shit and China and Russia will sit and watch if and how the US and Japan are going to respond.

Then China and Russia are going to adjust their reactions from that point on.

If Kim Jong Un gets wasted in the process, so be it.
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Add this to the situation:
http://fortune.com/2016/01/23/china-collapse/
Folks are coming to visit later this week to give a broader briefing. They had been is SK and went to China this week. I get a data dump later next week. Looking at 40% unemployment. Back east last week, this was being included in how NK is moving. Remember, these folks think in terms of 10-20 year plans. Is it better in a national/political sense to take cheap US dollars on debt or push the reset button and take control of all of eastern Asia and at the same time eliminate the issues internal to China. Using NK to push the reset means your economic and military assets are conserved. Do you think the boy with the bad haircut is going to be sitting in a tunnel waiting for the response?
The players: NK mined the metal and got it ready to be refined. Iran produced the isotopic metal. Russia provided the weapon design. China provided missile technology. So what is the goal of all of this? Meanwhile back in the good old USA, Nero fiddles while Rome burns.
Food for thought.
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As long as we don't fall victim to one of the classic blunders....







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As long as we don't fall victim to one of the classic blunders....







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Which one, there are so many!
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Which one, there are so many!
The usual response is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia."
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The usual response is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia."
Yep, we would have to use nukes in a ground war in Asia, if either China or Russia went all in against us.
Reason Truman settled for a truce back in 1953, did not want to kill millions of Chinese, nor have our country ravaged by nukes.

I'd not have American troops in any country any where in the world, but we are in 125 countries, other than our own, that's a simply reality.

I'm not a fan of mutual defense pacts either, but our people have signed them, so we're stuck. Mutual defense agreements, mean we do all the heavy lifting and most of the dying in a shooting war.

Getting really close to the time, to simply turn this thing and the TV off and only deal with shit that comes up to MY property line.
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Ah hell, can't be true, everyone said NK did not have nor would ever have nukes, opps.
Ah hell, can't be true, everyone said NK can't build an enhanced EMP weapon, opps!

2 Russian general's told people in 2004, plans for an enhanced EMP were accidentally transferred to NK, really big oops!

ah hell, NK ain;t no threat to the USA, opps!

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Very interesting meeting this last week. Food for thought. NK has all kinds of capabilities. We are really back in the cold war where NK is kinda like Cuba. If something happens it will go down hill fast. Some tidbits include our stopping coal shipments between NK and China. China needs that coal. Currently China is in a political tailspin between the old guard and the new. There have been mass arrests and it is coming to a head, probably this fall. Also China has 40-60% unemployment ( this is not good concerning the flu issue). Until China settles it's internal issues, they don't want NK rocking the boat at THIS time. It maybe in their interest in the near future to have an external enemy.
Also the Guam issue was solved in Charlottesville. Building 248 operations have been successful and it's better to wait a bit as both they and the Russian operations chip away. For more info: https://www.csmonitor.com/Books/Book...gh-cyber-means . Strong cells at work.
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I am curious as to where you got your statistics about China's unemployment. I did a search and came up with the following...

https://tradingeconomics.com/china/unemployment-rate
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My son travels there often, asked him the same thing. High unemployment ,maybe 20%, in the provinces, low in the urban centers. About the same as us.
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Correction Building 243 in Shanghai. Have to be careful here but the Chinese hopelessly cook their numbers. The sources that briefed last week include shipping data and sources internal to China. Note last week the Chinese govt. took total control over all cash/cash related assets. China to remain stable must have >7% growth.
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another issue discussed was what happens if NK does it's thing or China spirals down, what does India and Pakistan do?
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the...lear-war-21623
We don't pay much attention here but this is a problem area.
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Having been in both countries, Paki and India, nothing they do would surprise me at all.
Hate among those three, including China, has been building for years.
If anyone sets off just one nuke, against anyone, all the world's bad actors with nukes might simply say, why not and get into the game.
War Escalation is a real bitch to stop while it's in progress.
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I was at a party and this very educated female Hindu professor and I were chatting. I asked her about what she thought should be done to secure nuclear weapons in Pakistan. In a blink of the eye her face went fro a smile to a scowl and she said India needed to nuke them into nonexistence. The sooner the better. So much for the Hindu letting all creatures live.
Other news: http://www.newsmax.com/PeterPry/chin.../21/id/808833/
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I was at a party and this very educated female Hindu professor and I were chatting. I asked her about what she thought should be done to secure nuclear weapons in Pakistan. In a blink of the eye her face went fro a smile to a scowl and she said India needed to nuke them into nonexistence. The sooner the better. So much for the Hindu letting all creatures live.
Other news: http://www.newsmax.com/PeterPry/chin.../21/id/808833/
I've seen countries go to war, fight with one another, even the current Jewish Muslim disputes don;t hold a candle to Paki vs Indian hatreds and that's saying a lot!

When I was working around those places, a very loooooooooooooooong time ago, I would not let either country stamp my passport. Being military, I got away with that.

Egypt would sometimes raise an eyebrow about my Israeli stamps, but you could get into real trouble in either Indian or in Paki lands with one or the other in your passport.

I'm really fond of Indians, nice folks, very decent, at least to me, not so much with Paki's.
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North Koreans have been caught crossing the border east of El Paso (conversion with the section chief).
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...months-un-told
Not directly related to EMP but with the situation we may find ourselves in.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...months-un-told
Not directly related to EMP but with the situation we may find ourselves in.
Our two major concerns here on the border, we have towns, tiny, little, moderate size and very few LEO's and millions of miles of waste land.

If a small group, ten to 20 came across the border, and decided to simply shoot up and kill as many people as possible, it would or could be a huge body count in very quick fashion.
The damage done before the LEO's could mass, would be massive.

The second concern, slipping components of a dirty bomb across the border, or simply infected people walking across to "shop" and infecting thousands with some bio threat.

All the check points down here are checking for these two everyday.
They keep adding equipment every car has to pass though, as well as the stop, and FTF interaction with BP.

Tha border be ground zero, that's for damn sure.
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If "suitcase" nukes exist, they came across Texas a long time ago and are just waiting for the trigger at the right time, small but psychologically devestating. Texas is still wide open ,as is most the Az border. If any have been intercepted not going to hear about unless leaked. Probably same secrecy as Area 51. Keep those dogs working YH. No doubt you're on the last American frontier.
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If "suitcase" nukes exist, they came across Texas a long time ago and are just waiting for the trigger at the right time, small but psychologically devestating. Texas is still wide open ,as is most the Az border. If any have been intercepted not going to hear about unless leaked. Probably same secrecy as Area 51. Keep those dogs working YH. No doubt you're on the last American frontier.
Yep, time to go feed them before they begin eating the house, again!
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Old August 23, 2017, 05:24   #640
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When I was working around those places, a very loooooooooooooooong time ago, I would not let either country stamp my passport. Being military, I got away with that.
Wife got really twisted when would not get a stamp "a.k.a. souvenir" when entered or exited a country and hopping borders. Tried my best to explain to her how that was a good thing and I did my best to not collect stamps as next country we enter might hate a previous country and end up with the latex glove treatment based on a stamp in passport. She would always be surprised at how few I would collect on a multinational trip she was not on but had pictures to prove so knew not playing her. Bottom line most developed nations know everywhere you have been soon as read RFID chip in passport and some don't even ask to look at it. My guess is most know everyone's background before plane lands if care to keep up with such.
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Wife got really twisted when would not get a stamp "a.k.a. souvenir" when entered or exited a country and hopping borders. Tried my best to explain to her how that was a good thing and I did my best to not collect stamps as next country we enter might hate a previous country and end up with the latex glove treatment based on a stamp in passport. She would always be surprised at how few I would collect on a multinational trip she was not on but had pictures to prove so knew not playing her. Bottom line most developed nations know everywhere you have been soon as read RFID chip in passport and some don't even ask to look at it. My guess is most know everyone's background before plane lands if care to keep up with such.
The three year tour I spent working all over those areas, they were still shooting at one another it seemed daily.

I was in Egypt for a couple weeks, and got a call one of our people got himself hurt badly in Israel, and to get over there and escort him out of country so the AF could pick him up and get him back to the states.

At that time, politics, the AF could not set down a US flagged aircraft in Israel and I could not get a direct flight from Egypt to Israel.

I flew from Egypt to Turkey, Turkey to Italy, Italy to Israel. Then Israel out to Spain, where the AF took him off my hands and got him back to the states.

Sat in Spain for a week, by the large pool mostly, then, back to Turkey, then onto Egypt, and finally, reversed course a week later, and ended back up in Israel after several more transfers.

And all of this could and did change overnight sometimes, got to hit here, then there, to get here and half way through, can't get there from here actually took place.
Sometimes, we got stuck, and in the med area, more often than not, it was nice!
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Seems, the impossible just became probable, one little bomb and everyone looses a nut, about time.
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First post here was 2013. Here it is in the MSM once they have gotten the capability.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...D=ansmsnnews11
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Pentagon take. DARPA program still two years out.
https://newspunch.com/pentagon-north...mp-power-grid/
I can tell you the last two weeks here have been goofy. Folks are asking for stuff in weeks instead of years. Totally, horrible leadership. Clueless. All I can say, is the difference between the few old cold war guys and the new crop is the difference of Night and Day. Our last president flushed out the last of the folks in the govt. that came on board as young pups under Reagen (senior managers).
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I saw this movie in 2012.
"Zero Dark Thirty"?
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"Zero Dark Thirty"?
Red Dawn 2012.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGoe7BdGdlg
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https://newspunch.com/pentagon-north...mp-power-grid/
I can tell you the last two weeks here have been goofy. Folks are asking for stuff in weeks instead of years. Totally, horrible leadership. Clueless. All I can say, is the difference between the few old cold war guys and the new crop is the difference of Night and Day. Our last president flushed out the last of the folks in the govt. that came on board as young pups under Reagen (senior managers).
We will all be on our own, when one of these things gets lets loose.
Ugly times will be had by all.
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