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Old January 02, 2019, 22:48   #101
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I would suspect most of us can operate most handguns, those with or without safety's, exposed hammers, not exposed hammers, other strange little quirks, etc, but in combat, simple is always best.
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Old January 03, 2019, 01:01   #102
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Old January 03, 2019, 01:20   #103
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My Glock Gen 3 model 27 is my main carry piece...I like the .40 in general & it's about perfect for me...light, small, reliable as long as I use the right mags...anything with a '9' stamped on the follower is good to go..older generation followers she doesn't seem to like sometimes.

After some getting used to I rather like the little 3 fingered pistol; one day I will have to get Glocks in .45 as well as a 10mm both in the subcompacts....of the 2 though the .45 to me is more desirable since the 10mm is chasing velocity that's hard to get is a very short barrel where as the .45 can stay subsonic...
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Old January 03, 2019, 12:09   #104
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I carry my G19 almost everyday (sometimes, I let the Hi Power out of the house), my wife carries a G26, and my brother alternates between a G29 and a CZ P01. The Glocks work without a hitch, we shoot them well, magazines and spare parts are both dirt cheap and widely available. Can't ask for more than that.
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Old January 04, 2019, 23:09   #105
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I carry my HiPower in a Blackhawk Serpa holster with the paddle.

This gun wears very well, and nobody with an untrained eye can spot it.

I love the HiPower for its balance and the way it points almost naturally when picking it up or drawing it.
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Old January 05, 2019, 06:28   #106
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I love the HiPower for its balance and the way it points almost naturally when picking it up or drawing it.
Going on a tangent, what is the definition of "pointing naturally"? I have heard this term many times before associated with different pistols.
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Because clearly there is some sort of cosmic element of naturality for how you hold a 1911 or a Hi-Point when you are shooting at Asswipe #1 who is jerking you by the collar while Asswipe #2 is punching you in the head while he is ripping your wallet out of your pocket.
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Old January 05, 2019, 09:27   #108
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Because clearly there is some sort of cosmic element of naturality for how you hold a 1911 or a Hi-Point when you are shooting at Asswipe #1 who is jerking you by the collar while Asswipe #2 is punching you in the head while he is ripping your wallet out of your pocket.
If they are that close maybe a knife or pointy stick would work?
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If it has a point.... FTW!
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Old January 05, 2019, 12:18   #110
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Because clearly there is some sort of cosmic element of naturality for how you hold a 1911 or a Hi-Point when you are shooting at Asswipe #1 who is jerking you by the collar while Asswipe #2 is punching you in the head while he is ripping your wallet out of your pocket.
for those of us that point shoot, it is fairly important that the particular pistol points so that the bullet will go to exactly where you are looking. The pistol should point as easily to the target as your arm does with index finger extended.

I submit that unless one is extremely well trained and practices very often, you will be like almost all humans and look at the threat in a fight, not the sights. Having a pistol that feels good and points naturally for you is a good thing.

And since this is not 1959 and we aren't limited to using a 1911, S&W 39, P38s, or Hi Powers, there is no reason not to have a pistol that fits your hand and points naturally.
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Old January 06, 2019, 03:03   #111
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for those of us that point shoot, it is fairly important that the particular pistol points so that the bullet will go to exactly where you are looking. The pistol should point as easily to the target as your arm does with index finger extended.

I submit that unless one is extremely well trained and practices very often, you will be like almost all humans and look at the threat in a fight, not the sights. Having a pistol that feels good and points naturally for you is a good thing.

And since this is not 1959 and we aren't limited to using a 1911, S&W 39, P38s, or Hi Powers, there is no reason not to have a pistol that fits your hand and points naturally.

You sir have brought up some great points in your comment.
We do have lots of options out there for us to choose from. One of the guys on my tactical team had 5 or 6 Glocks, when the S&W M&P came out he bought one. He found that he shot it better than the Glock. I lucked out and got his Glock G35 with eight 15 round mags, a 9mm barrel, five 9mm 17 round mags a couple holsters and a few other things for $500. I think I did ok on the deal, I thought I was only going to get the pistol and a couple mags, lucky me. He switched over to the M&P and never looked back. I shot his M&P multiple times and I just couldn’t shot it as good as I can a Glock.

One of the therories that has been floated as to why law enforcement miss the suspect so much in shootings is because they are focused on the weapon and naturally/instinctively shoot where they are looking. The last figures that I have seen on the percentage of shots that hit the suspect verse the number of shots fired was about 11% of shots fired by police hit the suspect at all. That includes bullets grazing the suspect. There are many documented shootings where the suspects weapon is hit by a bullet. Our tactical team got to do some training with some elite Israeli military unit personnel. They showed us some really cool training techniques that went along with instinctive shooting. It’s really crazy what your mind can do if you get out of the way and let it do what it wants to do.

Also, an interesting fact about the Glock grip angle. When Gaston Glock was first designing the Glock he when to the Austrian Army and had actual soldiers, draw, hold, and simulate shooting a pistol. Statistically, over 86 percent held the test pistol at the angle the Glock pistols are at. The grip angle on a Glock wasn’t just a guess or something derived by an engineer because it would feed the bullets the way he wanted, it came about through research. I just don’t buy it when people blame their poor shooting on a guns grip angle, it’s a cop out for lack of skill or discipline. I can shoot a Glock, 1911, Hi Power, Sig or Beretta 92/M9 all equally well. I eared the Top shooter award when I worked for the US Army in a competition using a piece of junk M9, in fact it was with a different slide and barrel than I had shot with before as it was in better shape than my standard issue one. When I worked for a local PD, we had a fun day at the range and I went round for round on a dueling Tree with the supposed top shooter in the department with a Sig 226 that the department got from the FBI on a 99 year lease. We each went through 6 mags each before we had to stop because we ran out of loaded mags. When I worked for the Highway Patrol, my scores for qualifying were 248/249 out of 250 and usually I was running a perfect score up to the last string which was shot at 25 yards and would usually have one or two of the range offices breathing down my neck trying their hardest to make me miss. By the way I used a Glock G22 when I was with the Highway Patrol. I used to shoot competitions with a 1911 and could hold my own, never was the high score but did okay for how long I had been shooting and the gear that I had. Many people I shot with were impressed when they learned more about me and just how long I had been shooting.
Everyone of these guns has a different feel, they have different grip angles and different sights. In the end the gun is just a tool, it’s not the tools fault it’s the operators fault if it’s not doing what it should. If you are hammering a nail in a board and keep missing the nail is the hammers fault or the operators fault?

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True, every gun feels different in the hand. The hands down best one for me is the Beretta 92. It feels natural and points easily without much thought or correction. My Glocks aint too far behind though.
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You sir have brought up some great points in your comment.
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In the end the gun is just a tool, itís not the tools fault itís the operators fault if itís not doing what it should. If you are hammering a nail in a board and keep missing the nail is the hammers fault or the operators fault?
thanks. Gaston could have just used my hand and I'm not even Austrian. Remember though, I specifically referred to point shooting or the need to train and practice very often. You clearly have done so.

Interesting you bring up hammers. A month ago I was installing some quarter round molding for a lady on her refinished hardwood floors. I used my favorite hammer, a big Estwing framing hammer, that I use for just about everything. In other words, I know how to use it.

I kept bending nails, 1 out of 3. Now these nails were definitely crap, but I figured Home Depot must have some faith in them to sell them. I quit for the day, only finishing half.

The next day I used my wife's small claw hammer that only weighs a few ounces. I didn't bend another nail.
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