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Sorry I'm 1 day late with this, was very busy yesterday (and today) & fell asleep on the sofa only to wake up to 40 degrees at 2am this morning.
The following info. is the result of using gauges, mics & indicators where needed & appropriate. I'll try to relay everything in simple terms so to avoid confusion to anyone who reads this thread.

When I look at a receiver I always start at the front & work my way back. After all, that's where all the action is right ? Everyone else seems to look at the heel 1rst (to see who made it) so for that reason I'll start there.

At 1rst glance the appearance gave me the impression that this was a forged receiver, it's that smooth on the outside, with the exception of just forward of the bolt stop for about 1-1/2". It looks as though they used a surface grinder on the outside because I couldn't see any machine marks (unlike forged receivers costing almost twice the price).



The markings on this newer receiver is much better than those of the Armscorp made Fulton receivers. As you can see the serial number was double stamped. Made on Monday or Friday ? Who knows but, the rest is clearly very well done as it should be.
The witness marks for windage are deep & crystal clear. Hard to miss to say the least.
The heel is not quite as thick as SAI receivers either. At least not on this one.



The rear sight pad was real smooth but, there's a step that goes all the way around. About .005 higher than the rest of the pad.

The hole in the left ear for the elevation knob has a bevel at the bottom & blends into the raised area of the pad. The hole in the right ear for the windage knob does not have this bevel at the bottom.

Maybe the left hole is slightly lower than the right ? Maybe the pad is machined slightly lower on the right ?

In either case the rear sight base appears to be level. The function of the rear sight was a bit tight but, worked well. It will get smoother over time.



3 things got my attention real quick here.

1rst the groove for the op-rod. It may look real rough but, it seems to be cosmetic only. It's much smoother on the front half of the groove.

2nd is that notorious hump in the dismount notch that has plagued SAI receivers for years. I hate it myself & would mill it out if it was my receiver. It serves only 1 purpose & that's to prevent the op-rod from jumping out. If the op-rod fits correctly as it should, that should be no problem. The bottom of that hump could be polished down or simply blended in to make the op-rod removal easier.

3rd is the fact that you'll need an as new or new op-rod for these receivers because the channel for the receiver lug (tab) is full width & they all should be. The latter Armscorp receivers were narrow there to facilitate using worn op-rods.

I used a new op-rod in this receiver & it fit like a glove with no fitting required. In fact, the lock up with the bolt closed was tight with no movement at all on the op-rod. Just the way I like.



4 things to note here.

1rst you may or may not be able to see the smooth surface of the outside of this receiver but, it is smooth unlike previous Armscorp receivers that clearly says "I'm a cast receiver".

2nd the bolt stop window or cut out is excellent. No fitting required here at all. It looks to be machined out rather than cast in place. 1 huge & I mean a huge benefit is that the upper edge on the inside is beveled about 45 degrees. The bolt stop goes all the way up & contacts the left bolt lug 100%. Also, another thing I like was that the width of the cut out is slightly narrower being only about 1/32" of play instead of the typical 1/16" or more. That means softer impact on the bolt stop to receiver however slight it may be. You will not see that on any other cast or forged receiver made today.

Since you can clearly see the receiver leg here, I'll say that for a cast receiver, they're as smooth as they can get with no machine marks (unlike SAI) & the bottom of the legs also have a nice & consistent bevel at about 45 degrees. A big plus if bedding for a NM rifle.

The trigger group was like new with the trigger guard locking lugs being as new & locked up just right. Not to tight or to loose. The housing slid right in but, tight enough that there's not much play from side to side.


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The mag well shows the casting grain which is quite good & smooth for a cast receiver. There's no signs of broaching or finish machining at all. I tried USGI mags & they all went in & out like they should. Even the commercial mags work well.
You can also see the smooth finish on the receiver leg. Very smooth like the other leg. Also notice the 45 degree bevel at the bottom of the leg which is even all the way across.



Look at the face of the left receiver lug carefully. The bevel or radius on the bottom is far less than other receivers. The left receiver lug is taller top to bottom.
The receiver ring face is very square & flat which provides for an even mating surface for barrel install.



Look at the left receiver lug again. You can see that there's no bevel on the top inside either. I don't know if this was on purpose or by accident but, it makes good sense to leave the metal there. I'll explain more in the last photo.
You can also see that the bolt roller notch at the bottom is cut differently from Armscorp receivers. Bolt roller impact is not a problem on this receiver, In fact, there's about .006 gap under the bottom of the bolt roller.


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Here you can see where I checked the lug engagement. The right receiver lug was contacting on the outside 1/2 clearly shown by the bare metal. The left receiver lug was barely making contact as well.



You can clearly see that the right receiver lug is now making full contact at 100%. The left receiver lug is about 95+%. I only lapped the lugs about .0005 (1/2 a thou). Not bad at all considering many receivers require a minimum of .001 or more.

Both receiver lugs are in the correct position for contacting the bolt lugs as they should.
Now for the comment on the taller left receiver lug I talked about earlier. I noticed when I checked the camming of the bolt on the receiver lugs, and saw that both lugs engaged & disengaged at the same time.
I've hardly ever seen this before but, I like it because usually the left bolt lug disengages long before the right bolt lug moves completely off the right receiver lug.

Special notes about this particular receiver.
I used a .051 chambered Criterion 18-1/2" chrome lined barrel & was able to set headspace at 1.633 with a NIW TRW bolt. A used bolt would headspace longer due to wear on the bolt lugs.
Normally the chrome lined barrels I use are .052-.053 so I can get good headspace with new or used bolts.
So just to be safe I suggest using only NIW bolts of you go with a chrome lined barrel such as the Criterion barrel.
A non chrome short chambered barrel would be no problem with a used bolt.
If the receiver lugs were moved forward about .002-.003 the problem would be solved on future receivers, & only if this receiver is an indication of what to expect on each receiver from the manufacturer making these for Fulton.

The receiver safety bridge looked real good but, I noticed that there's less of a helical cut (angle) for the firing pin to hit when being retracted on the forward motion of the bolt. I believe Specs call for 1 turn 2.45 left hand helix.
Firing pin retraction was real good & about +.005 on a gauge.
Meaning that the firing pin retracts a bit sooner.
I've seen less (minus .003 - minus .005) on other forged & cast receivers.
Meaning that the firing pin retracts later. Not good for a free floating firing pin.

I didn't find hardly any burrs either which is nice & only the safety bridge needed a little clean up.

In the event I missed something I'll add it later but, that' more than I was going to post. So would I suggest this receiver ? Well yeah & more so if they fix the receiver lug locations & remove that obnoxious hump in the op-rod dismount notch. I see no need to pay more $$ for a receiver that's not near as good as this one. I hope that was enough.


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Thank you for the excellent review. I may consider purchasing one of their receivers this spring, and am glad I can do so without apprehension.

thank you also for sharing this information with the gun community.

-myers


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Thanks Tim! I have another kit sitting in the closet, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Do I really need another one?

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Great review Tim. Any idea who manufacturers the receiver for FA? I too have enough parts for a build, and this looks like a winner. Thanks.


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Great review.

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What could a fella expect to pay for one of these receivers?

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quote:
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What could a fella expect to pay for one of these receivers?


Fulton has them listed for $599.95, I don't know if this is the MSRP or if an 01 ffl will get a discount.
http://www.fulton-armory.com/



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I'm glad you guys enjoyed the review.
I think the pics help as well & hopefully these receivers will be this good (or better with a couple minor changes) in the future.

I'll also add that the NIW TRW bolt dropped right in (with little for-aft play) with no amount of fitting required.


quote:
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Great review Tim. Any idea who manufacturers the receiver for FA? I too have enough parts for a build, and this looks like a winner. Thanks.


An extensive internet search shows Dane Manufacturing. 331 High View Rd. Farmville, VA
762mmfirearms.com also gave the same info. on an extensive internet search. Possible sister company ? I don't know the answer to that.
There's no contact info. on the 762mmfirearms web page so I would be hesitant to order parts from a place that offers no way to contact them if the need arose.




quote:
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Fulton has them listed for $599.95, I don't know if this is the MSRP or if an 01 ffl will get a discount.
http://www.fulton-armory.com/


They had a sale going on for $100. off that price but, I think the sale expired. You might want to check tho.


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Tim, let us know how future builds on Fulton receivers go. It will be interesting to see if they address the minor issues and maintain their quality.

I'd personally consider buying one if the quality stays consistant.


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Tim, you should post some pics of the gun - I think I know whose it is...


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quote:
Originally posted by shortround
Tim, let us know how future builds on Fulton receivers go.

I have 1 more of those Fulton receivers & I'll let ya know what I find.



quote:
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Tim, you should post some pics of the gun - I think I know whose it is...

Huh ? Want more pics ?
I'll see what I can do........


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I read and reread the review several times and now I understand why it was a great idea to send you my rifle for rebarrel and bolt upgrade. I can understand logic controllers and automation systems and and binary redundancy operations , but this was Greek to me. I thank you for your explanation of the various components that make a receiver in a M1-/M1A.


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