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Old June 10, 2019, 17:43   #1
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Trump to Ban Suppressors Doesn’t Like Them.....

So hold on to your hats........Trump says he’d be open to banning suppressors.......

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1TB1PD
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He's going to ban tobacco too
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Old June 10, 2019, 18:12   #3
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meh' I didn't vote for the fool because he was footed in RKBA
he's NYC Elite

He got my vote because he wasn't Hillary
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He will support a black rifle ban as the next election approaches and the predictable red flag shootings take place. He's not going to be the outlier .
He will watch the skewed polls.
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He will support a black rifle ban as the next election approaches and the predictable red flag shootings take place. He's not going to be the outlier .
He will watch the skewed polls.
I'm a little concerned about his mental status as well. I'm not sure he could ban suppressors or Machine Guns as they are subject to a congressional act. It looks
as if all gun related challenges are going unanswered in the SC which
would lead one to believe the end is near for people in some states.
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I'm a little concerned about his mental status as well. I'm not sure he could ban suppressors or Machine Guns as they are subject to a congressional act. It looks
as if all gun related challenges are going unanswered in the SC which
would lead one to believe the end is near for people in some states.
He can't "ban" shit
he will likely sign any ban that reaches his desk

bumpstocks were not banned by Trump
DOJ just expanded them under the NFA under his direction

Can't do that with suppressors, they are already regulated under law
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I think the problem is nobody is talking to Trump that's on our side. He seems to listen when folks bring a subject to him but our side sits on their asses like they were at a shooting match waiting for others to do all the work. NRA doesn't give a shit and spends all the money on management.

Hate to see them ban suppressors, I will have to convert my 44 back to normal.
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More ignoring from Scotus. Read somewhere else, no gun cases up for discussion.

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No, he can't . However, the tax fee may go from 200$ to 6000$ and have the same effect as any ban. Again only the wealthy would have them.
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No, he can't . However, the tax fee may go from 200$ to 6000$ and have the same effect as any ban. Again only the wealthy would have them.
So the effect is the same but when a "republican sitting president" advises the court to not take up a matter with regard to guns it's serious. The 2 lower courts
had ruled that suppressors are not covered by the second amendment. They said
that they are not in common use among the people. Interesting.....probably not
among 'their' people...so it appears it's another John Roberts win....
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No, he can't . However, the tax fee may go from 200$ to 6000$ and have the same effect as any ban. Again only the wealthy would have them.
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No he won't. When someone explains the issue to him, he'll come around. Trump is not a gun guy like his son is. He is, however, fighting for us on many fronts.
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No he won't. When someone explains the issue to him, he'll come around. Trump is not a gun guy like his son is. He is, however, fighting for us on many fronts.
Trump won't do anything himself, he will simply contrive/devise with the ATF to make another administrative rule,

just like with declaring bump stock grip adapters to be "illegal machine guns" -- a term that previously did not exist.
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No need to ban suppressors/MG’s .... jack the transfer tax from $200 to $10,000, reduce the number of ATF examiners to increase clearing time from one year to five (or ten) years, etc. The Dark Lords of Washington hold almost all the power cards.
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SCOTUS is voting against us, by not accepting cases they will be forced to rule upon.

The court did not rule that suppressors were illegal, just that you had to have a class 3 license. Trump will not ban suppressors; they are legal in most states and legal, Federally.

I read that the pending, huge NYC case will become MOOT, because NY will change the pistol law slightly, to force the SCOTUS to toss the case and nothing will happen.

The fact is that this is the new reality the courts are taking, to avoid the 2nd amendment, and cancel it by the death of a thousand cuts.
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That reminds me...my new lower will be married to a .300 aac blackout (make sure barrel is threaded) 👍👌
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The executive branch can't unilaterally raise the taxing rate either. That too would have to go through Congress

remember guys, the fees were established by Congress in 1934 as part of the NFA
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So the effect is the same but when a "republican sitting president" advises the court to not take up a matter with regard to guns it's serious. The 2 lower courts
had ruled that suppressors are not covered by the second amendment. They said
that they are not in common use among the people. Interesting.....probably not
among 'their' people...so it appears it's another John Roberts win....
In a congressional hearing a few years ago, the atf said the number of suppressors in the NFA registry were 1.5 million.

Don't really care how they try to argue it. They are in use by the military, they legally owned by a lot of civilians. And there's a bunch of them out there.
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...... He (The Donald) is, however, fighting for us on many fronts.

Yes ... they are all fighting for us!
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Don't really care how they try to argue it. They are in use by the military, they legally owned by a lot of civilians. And there's a bunch of them out there.
same applies to full auto machine guns, also declared illegal.

all the more reason to target (insert prohibition here) with incremental inclusion on the "naughty list".



either the 2A is the law, or else it is not the law.

if the 2A is not the law--
then what other constitutionally protected rights are not the law?


prohibition merely creates a black market for whatever it is the corporate administraors seek to ban this time.
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same applies to full auto machine guns, also declared illegal.

all the more reason to target (insert prohibition here) with incremental inclusion on the "naughty list".



either the 2A is the law, or else it is not the law.

if the 2A is not the law--
then what other constitutionally protected rights are not the law?


prohibition merely creates a black market for whatever it is the corporate administraors seek to ban this time.
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same applies to full auto machine guns, also declared illegal.

all the more reason to target (insert prohibition here) with incremental inclusion on the "naughty list".



either the 2A is the law, or else it is not the law.

if the 2A is not the law--
then what other constitutionally protected rights are not the law?


prohibition merely creates a black market for whatever it is the corporate administraors seek to ban this time.
What we are witnessing is an oligarchy taking a firmer hold of it's plantation. Remember, thats how 'they' view 'us'.
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What we are witnessing is an oligarchy taking a firmer hold of it's plantation. Remember, thats how 'they' view 'us'.
yes.
I have first hand observations that "they" are now openly identifying conservative grass roots pro-freedom/liberty activists as "the problem".



which simplifies things, considerably.
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I have first hand observations that "they" are now openly identifying conservative grass roots pro-freedom/liberty activists as "the problem".


which simplifies things, considerably.
Once in a while you shoot an X-ring, man. Right in the center.
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Unpredictable people are, too often unreliable, in my experience.
The fugger has no core beliefs that he would go to the wall for !

however,,,,still not Hill-luridy ......
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Once in a while you shoot an X-ring, man. Right in the center.
or, you ignore reality, thereby allowing the death star to be one-shotted by a newbie,





the problem in texas is that so-called "conservatives" have betrayed their base, and are thereby going to fail to deliver the required additional 1.5 million pro conservative votes that must be delivered next november:

that failure will result in the house going blue,
having lost the state house, then losing control of redistricting,
then losing texas,
and the electoral college with it.


pride comes before the fall.


ain't that right brunop?
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ain't that right brunop?

Yes it is.

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Unpredictable people are, too often unreliable, in my experience.
The fugger has no core beliefs that he would go to the wall for !

however,,,,still not Hill-luridy ......
something to consider on that point--

why should DJT go to bat for gunnies?
and I mean ever?
on any issue?


Even though DJT enjoys the benefit of machine gun armed guards, Trump is just a brooklynn yankee -- while sure he understands guns, but he is not a "gun guy",


OTOH the public face that gunnies proudly put on display is generally head up ass stupid/lazy;
selfish/ignorant/apathetic:
can't to even bother promoting their own self interests,
gunnies would much rather piss on other gunnies than ever submit to presenting a unified front.
instead relying on more ignorance/apathy to carry the day, especially when confronted with the undeniable facts of life.

this has been the trend for decades.

so why should anyone stick up for that shit?


gunnies at their core are troglodyte in their politics and in their complete lack of aplomb in engaging in the arena of social free market of ideas,
consistently acting very much to their own detriment, in pretty much every situation that matters;
optics on that are pretty much despicable from the outside looking in.

a fact that most gunnies are completely oblivious to.

at the core, most gunnies would rather die than ever deign to stick up for anyone else, even when it would be easy, and at negligible cost.

that tendency makes gunnies a severe liability politically, economically, and socially, presenting strategic, operational, and tactical weakness/vulnerablility--
-- that weakness is a self-solving problem; and sooner than you might have ever thought possible.

get ready.
because it is coming.
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You make very good points indeed. We are in agreement. Actually, I came to those same conclusions about twenty years ago after working w/ our county 'Federation of Sportsmens Clubs'. The good ; I met a handful of guys who were awake and aware and did 'all the work'. Since then I simply represent myself. I make occasional contact w/ my elected representatives, just to make myself feel better.
I have little confidence in 'our side', and have said as much in open meetings, to wit; "we lose because we deserve to lose''.

But we are talking about Trumpf as an individual, and by extension all public officials.
One would hope/expect that an elected representative would at least fight for their own rights. But they don't need rights as they have ascended to a 'privileged class'.
Trump seems to lack the philosophical, and I'll say it, the 'spiritual' grounding, the wisdom to make this fight.

And again we agree, if these aren't the 'end of days', they'll do till the real ones show up.
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..."we lose because we deserve to lose''.
correct analysis,

and yet so-called "conservative" fudds like brunop rather than admit their own weakness, instead fail-attempt to blame shift onto pro-liberty freedom grass roots activists as "the problem"--

only a statist fjuckhead would derp that more liberty/freedom is "the problem".

which simplifies things.


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Trump seems to lack the philosophical, and I'll say it, the 'spiritual' grounding, the wisdom to make this fight.....
ok,
but, point of order: it is not Trumps' fight, never was.


which is not even the problem.
the problem is that so-called "conservatives" have sold out,
checked out,
and yielded the field to the opposition,
and all they have to show for it is more triflin, whiney ass bitching and moaning.

gunnies have no game, but still think they do, even while yielding, refusing to even show up and be counted when it matters, because denial ain't just a river in egypt.
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"ok,
but, point of order: it is not Trumps' fight, never was."

Too me, it's one big 'fight', the 2AM is just a part of it.



"gunnies have no game, but still think they do, even while yielding, refusing to even show up and be counted when it matters, because denial ain't just a river in egypt."

Which is why we lose. White society is hopeless.
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but, point of order: it is not Trumps' fight, never was."

Too me, it's one big 'fight', the 2AM is just a part of it.



"gunnies have no game, but still think they do, even while yielding, refusing to even show up and be counted when it matters, because denial ain't just a river in egypt."

Which is why we lose. White society is hopeless.
make that "hopeless, by choice".

the culture war has already been lost,
the one side choosing ingorance/apathy, accepting defeat, and inviting more defeat.
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Sorry, Trump is just one big fkn disappointment. I voted for him. I wasnt about to, in 1 million years vote for that bitch that abandoned the Benghazi Ambassador and his security detail. But he is a fkn disappointment. He cant shut the F up, he appoints his fkn kids to positions of authority/whatever. He has failed to work with people to get shit done on the wall. Now he's proven he cares nothing for the 2nd amendment, nor probably any other aspect of the Constitution. This was a classic example of voting for the least of two evils.
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Sorry, Trump is just one big fkn disappointment. I voted for him. I wasnt about to, in 1 million years vote for that bitch that abandoned the Benghazi Ambassador and his security detail. But he is a fkn disappointment. He cant shut the F up, he appoints his fkn kids to positions of authority/whatever. He has failed to work with people to get shit done on the wall. Now he's proven he cares nothing for the 2nd amendment, nor probably any other aspect of the Constitution. This was a classic example of voting for the least of two evils.
so, your alternative is, what?

more of the same?
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so, your alternative is, what?

more of the same?
All choices are .... ‘more of the same’.
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All choices are .... ‘more of the same’.
so you have no alternative,


then ignorance and apathy will deliver what you deserve.
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so you have no alternative,


then ignorance and apathy will deliver what you deserve.
If anyone has a viable alternative, then now is the time to share the plan.
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If anyone has a viable alternative, then now is the time to share the plan.
pathological ignorance/apathy;

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If anyone has a viable alternative, then now is the time to share the plan.
Austin produces two kinds kinds of provocateurs and both are crazy....
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Austin produces two kinds kinds of provocateurs and both are crazy....
clown world ignorance & apathy, For The Win in the post-truth paradigm.
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so, your alternative is, what?

more of the same?
Do you have any alternatives?
We do need some, agreed?

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Do you have any alternatives?
We do need some, agreed?
it has already been decided that the viable alternatives to clown world institutional ignorance/apathy are "the problem", because muh honkhonk!.

so there you go.
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Do you have any alternatives?
We do need some, agreed?
If he has an answer, it's in some kind of code language we regular folk can't understand.



I think maybe there are only two ways to solve anything, reasoning or violence. When the one side is no longer capable of reason, it leaves just one ultimate alternative.
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If he has an answer, it's in some kind of code language we regular folk can't understand.



I think maybe there are only two ways to solve anything, reasoning or violence. When the one side is no longer capable of reason, it leaves just one ultimate alternative.

clown world is the antithesis of reason/logic/facts/evidence,
this, in spite of the sum total of human knowledge base literally at your fingertips.

violence is always the ultimate answer--
even so, institutional ignorance and apathy eliminate all viable alternatives to that ultimate answer, taking all the best options off the table, as intended.

the important point on that is that:
violence is already on the table, currently under the fig leaf of normalcy bias,
but it will escalate,
with the ignorant/apathetic enabling that escalation busy pointing fingers to shift the blame onto anyone in sight--

so, "who benefits?" from institutional ignorance/apathy?
from pathological normalcy bias?
from anti-rational denial?
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I think maybe there are only two ways to solve anything, reasoning or violence. When the one side is no longer capable of reason, it leaves just one ultimate alternative.
I thought I was the only one here that could see this stupidity....he simply likes to complain. Some things as you stated can't be fixed with reason....politicians are a good example.
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Any laws against suppressors are absurd. Since there are a number of ways to make them from easy to obtain items it won't stop any person(s) from using any such device illegally. Actually, I like what one can do with a simple freeze-plug, spacers and a drill for example. Or a "solvent trap" (wink wink). LOL ... What I am trying to say is that any ban on suppressors only punishes law abiding folk.
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Any laws against suppressors are absurd. Since there are a number of ways to make them from easy to obtain items it won't stop any person(s) from using any such device illegally. Actually, I like what one can do with a simple freeze-plug, spacers and a drill for example. Or a "solvent trap" (wink wink). LOL ... What I am trying to say is that any ban on suppressors only punishes law abiding folk.
They would have to undo the whole NFA and that would spark off a battle the left
doesn't want. It just shows how clueless the Donald really is....He thinks it's like adding plastic parts to the NFA....
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