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Old October 05, 2017, 21:34   #1
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Military Arms Channel Withdraws From NRA

Effective Immediately: I withdraw my support for the NRA until further notice. I have suspended all support and recruiting efforts. The next couple of videos I have are already edited and have a request for you to join. Please ignore that request. I am currently traveling but will remove the link in my future videos to the NRA website. I will be speaking with NRA leadership soon (hopefully) and if their position is to negotiate in any way whatsoever with anti-gun forces my future support will end and I will resign my membership.

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Old October 05, 2017, 21:43   #2
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Old October 05, 2017, 21:53   #3
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Well,

Hopefully the NRA comes clean.

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Old October 05, 2017, 21:55   #4
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Did the NRA just pull a Zumbo ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zumbo
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Old October 05, 2017, 22:27   #5
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What, you aren't going to continue building Wayne's retirement account...?

Yup, they are pretty pathetic, and I say that as a Benefactor Life member of the NRA.

They probably think that they can throw the slidefire stocks to the wolves to ward off even worse stuff.

But once you demonstrate that you're open to negotiation, well, everything and anything is potentially on the table since you're not operating on principle anymore (like the NRA hasn't walked down that road before, to our detriment).

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Old October 05, 2017, 22:30   #6
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...First they'll give up the slide fire....then binary triggers...then coffin mags....then any mag over 30 rounds.....then the shoulder thing that goes up...
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Did the NRA just pull a Zumbo ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zumbo
Pretty much.....
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Old October 05, 2017, 22:42   #8
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Old October 05, 2017, 22:50   #9
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Really stupid......the NRA is the only reason we all have our FALs and AR15s in the first place. Not to mention Heller and MacDonald.It was inevitable that these stupid toys were going to be misused at some point and banned. The same thing would happen if the NFA was repealed and you could walk into your LGS and buy a select fire ak with just your drivers license. That wouldnt last long once some Muji or some 19 year old virgin Jonesing for some poon got his hands on one and shot up the food court at the mall. This shit only lends credence to the anti gunners claim that modern self loading rifles are all "weapons of war". BTW, I'm not saying that bump stocks should be banned or that we shouldnt get rid of at least the Hughes Amendment. But the reality is, a lot of people will vote our rights away if this kind of thing increases in severity and frequency.

The NRA pulled a smart public relations stunt....they said the ATF should "review" them knowing full well the ATF is going to cover their asses, say they followed the NFA, and punt it to Congress. No way they are going to admit responsibility for this.
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Old October 05, 2017, 22:50   #10
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" and if their position is to negotiate in any way whatsoever with anti-gun forces my future support will end and I will resign my membership."




David Petzal dodged the bullet,,,but the interest net is forevah,,,
Zumbo took the hit,,,timing !


"Of course, Field & Stream‘s David E. Petzal, in 1994, got away with endorsing the original Assault Weapons Ban (which he, however, did criticize for being too broad):

Gun owners — all gun owners — pay a heavy price for having to defend the availability of these weapons. The American public — and the gun-owning public; especially the gun-owning public — would be better off without the hardcore military arms, which puts the average sportsman in a real dilemma.”

http://neveryetmelted.com/tags/david-e-petzal/
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Old October 06, 2017, 10:36   #11
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Really stupid......the NRA is the only reason we all have our FALs and AR15s in the first place. Not to mention Heller and MacDonald.It was inevitable that these stupid toys were going to be misused at some point and banned. The same thing would happen if the NFA was repealed and you could walk into your LGS and buy a select fire ak with just your drivers license. That wouldnt last long once some Muji or some 19 year old virgin Jonesing for some poon got his hands on one and shot up the food court at the mall. This shit only lends credence to the anti gunners claim that modern self loading rifles are all "weapons of war". BTW, I'm not saying that bump stocks should be banned or that we shouldnt get rid of at least the Hughes Amendment. But the reality is, a lot of people will vote our rights away if this kind of thing increases in severity and frequency.

The NRA pulled a smart public relations stunt....they said the ATF should "review" them knowing full well the ATF is going to cover their asses, say they followed the NFA, and punt it to Congress. No way they are going to admit responsibility for this.
+1

Completely agree.

When these stupid Bump-Fire stocks hit the market I knew it would only be a matter of time before some nut (or terrorist) would abuse them. This is the kind of crap that only makes it harder for the serious Shooter/Collector to exercise his rights under the second amendment. We all get blamed ...Sad.
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Old October 06, 2017, 10:39   #12
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As they say it isn't about hunting. I know I began this journey about history, buying a Belgium Mauser. Reading made me aware of other things so I bought an FN-49. I also watched riots on TV and thought about nuclear war. One day on the job, Texas Rangers said if things get tough you need more than the Mauser. They recommended an HK-91. And there we are. Only hunted a few times, OK. Shotgunning, never. Pistol shoot, OK ( had a long discussion in the DFW airport on way anyone needed a 44 mag vs why anyone needed an AR-15).
The framers of this country got it right. As for the NRA, they are a large organization and they will pick their fights in order to survive. The other side understands incrementalism. Can we as firearm owners survive the glacial politics?
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Old October 06, 2017, 13:49   #13
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Why can't the nra put a little less into salaries, duck hunting preserves, and retirement accounts and a little more MUSCLE into real investigations with real results for all to see? Shining the light of day on events like this would go a long way toward ending them. Rhetorical question, I know...
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Old October 06, 2017, 14:24   #14
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Well,

With as much traffic as MAC gets if he openly comes out against the NRA, it will give Wayne quite the deserved black eye. Caving cowards.

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Old October 06, 2017, 14:39   #15
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The NRA is also at least part of the reason that those in a semi free state can't purchase brand new machine guns, McClure Volkmer FOPA that traded milsurps for machine guns.

This alone is enough to keep me from being a NRA member?
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Old October 06, 2017, 14:49   #16
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The NRA is also at least part of the reason that those in a semi free state can't purchase brand new machine guns, McClure Volkmer FOPA that traded milsurps for machine guns.

This alone is enough to keep me from being a NRA member?
As I recall, the Democrats used last minute procedural tricks to get the machine gun ban tacked on.
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Old October 06, 2017, 15:10   #17
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As I recall, the Democrats used last minute procedural tricks to get the machine gun ban tacked on.
Charlie Rangel declared it passed by voice vote.

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Anyone that believes in appeasement by the ban of a firearm accessory ( slide fire stocks, for instance ) needs a checkup from the neck up.


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Old October 09, 2017, 11:13   #18
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The problem is that they didn't made a strategic withdrawal on bump fire stocks. They caved without a fight. They dropped their rifles and ran in the face on the enemy.

If they had fought a while and then made a concession, I'd have more respect for them.

The NRA said that they would go on the offensive now that we have a republican majority. But they gave up ground without any fight at all and without asking for any concessions or compromise.

Now the anti's will take the ground that the NRA gave them and attack further from there.

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Really stupid......the NRA is the only reason we all have our FALs and AR15s in the first place. Not to mention Heller and MacDonald.It was inevitable that these stupid toys were going to be misused at some point and banned. The same thing would happen if the NFA was repealed and you could walk into your LGS and buy a select fire ak with just your drivers license. That wouldnt last long once some Muji or some 19 year old virgin Jonesing for some poon got his hands on one and shot up the food court at the mall. This shit only lends credence to the anti gunners claim that modern self loading rifles are all "weapons of war". BTW, I'm not saying that bump stocks should be banned or that we shouldnt get rid of at least the Hughes Amendment. But the reality is, a lot of people will vote our rights away if this kind of thing increases in severity and frequency.

The NRA pulled a smart public relations stunt....they said the ATF should "review" them knowing full well the ATF is going to cover their asses, say they followed the NFA, and punt it to Congress. No way they are going to admit responsibility for this.
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you guys knocking the NRA--Do you belong to the SAF? GOA.?? How about JFPO?

During the 60's we had multiple big time assignations-Kennedy=MLK--and senator Robert? Kennedy who was assassinated ..The NRA as at that time a shooting sports org who was in process of going even more into Hunting, trap shooting etc until Neal Knox and co took over at a Members meeting . About the same time the liberals shoved the 68 gun control act up our asses -The NRA was just starting out as a gun rights org ,,, There were NO other gun right orgs out there!

Dont Bitch about the NRA --Just join the GOA and other Gun rights groups ==and OBTW--Just when was the last time you called your senators and congresscritters>?
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you guys knocking the NRA--Do you belong to the SAF? GOA.?? How about JFPO?

During the 60's we had multiple big time assignations-Kennedy=MLK--and senator Robert? Kennedy who was assassinated ..The NRA as at that time a shooting sports org who was in process of going even more into Hunting, trap shooting etc until Neal Knox and co took over at a Members meeting . About the same time the liberals shoved the 68 gun control act up our asses -The NRA was just starting out as a gun rights org ,,, There were NO other gun right orgs out there!

Dont Bitch about the NRA --Just join the GOA and other Gun rights groups ==and OBTW--Just when was the last time you called your senators and congresscritters>?
This. The nra needs to understand they ain't the only game in town anymore and need to rethink who their members are. When the Klinton gun ban happened, the biggest news from the nra was a new duck hunting lodge in Canada they had just finished. What an enormous waste of dues money this was.
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A supposed ally who stabs you in the back is 100 times more damaging than a sworn enemy will ever be. NRA has a history of sacrificing our rights to ensure they stay on the gravy train.
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They caved without a fight. They dropped their rifles and ran in the face on the enemy.
LaPiere = French (at one point) I'm guessing
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LaPierre, from all I've read, is not a committed shooter, but rather a lobbyist who found a sweet gig.
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Old October 11, 2017, 07:00   #25
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They are like Walmart they could care less......
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The problem is that they didn't made a strategic withdrawal on bump fire stocks. They caved without a fight. They dropped their rifles and ran in the face on the enemy.

If they had fought a while and then made a concession, I'd have more respect for them.

The NRA said that they would go on the offensive now that we have a republican majority. But they gave up ground without any fight at all and without asking for any concessions or compromise.

Now the anti's will take the ground that the NRA gave them and attack further from there.
Not only this, but the wording of the capitulation, was a recommendation that the Bumpfire stocks, and any thing else that would make it easier to shoot a semi auto rapidly be banned. They almost couldnt have screwed 2A harder.
There wasnt this tit for tat negotiation that NRA supporters seem to be speculating will happen. They flat out folded and RECOMMENDED that a ban be placed.
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The first law of reaction is don't, think! Emotional response in times of stress are best not made - seems the NRA knee jerked! I wonder if they've been infiltrated somehow?
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as a non us citizen politicans don't listen to me, I have no vote, I don't donate money to anyone, I don't drink wine or smoke cigars, yet 3 times a week I get snail mail or email from the NRA begging money or my time. I have sent letters explaining I CANNOT VOTE, I DON'T HAVE SPARE MONEY, I joined to get training cert, but that seems to be something the NRA no longer does in my area. in Australia I worked for the SSAA, it ran ranges, conducted training, did transfers, ran comps, the stuff the NRA use to do..
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Btw.....I stopped paying on my membership the year they supported John McCain for president......they might as well have supported Obaracka he did
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