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Sorry I'm 1 day late with this, was very busy yesterday (and today) & fell asleep on the sofa only to wake up to 40 degrees at 2am this morning.
The following info. is the result of using gauges, mics & indicators where needed & appropriate. I'll try to relay everything in simple terms so to avoid confusion to anyone who reads this thread.

When I look at a receiver I always start at the front & work my way back. After all, that's where all the action is right ? Everyone else seems to look at the heel 1rst (to see who made it) so for that reason I'll start there.

At 1rst glance the appearance gave me the impression that this was a forged receiver, it's that smooth on the outside, with the exception of just forward of the bolt stop for about 1-1/2". It looks as though they used a surface grinder on the outside because I couldn't see any machine marks (unlike forged receivers costing almost twice the price).



The markings on this newer receiver is much better than those of the Armscorp made Fulton receivers. As you can see the serial number was double stamped. Made on Monday or Friday ? Who knows but, the rest is clearly very well done as it should be.
The witness marks for windage are deep & crystal clear. Hard to miss to say the least.
The heel is not quite as thick as SAI receivers either. At least not on this one.



The rear sight pad was real smooth but, there's a step that goes all the way around. About .005 higher than the rest of the pad.

The hole in the left ear for the elevation knob has a bevel at the bottom & blends into the raised area of the pad. The hole in the right ear for the windage knob does not have this bevel at the bottom.

Maybe the left hole is slightly lower than the right ? Maybe the pad is machined slightly lower on the right ?

In either case the rear sight base appears to be level. The function of the rear sight was a bit tight but, worked well. It will get smoother over time.



3 things got my attention real quick here.

1rst the groove for the op-rod. It may look real rough but, it seems to be cosmetic only. It's much smoother on the front half of the groove.

2nd is that notorious hump in the dismount notch that has plagued SAI receivers for years. I hate it myself & would mill it out if it was my receiver. It serves only 1 purpose & that's to prevent the op-rod from jumping out. If the op-rod fits correctly as it should, that should be no problem. The bottom of that hump could be polished down or simply blended in to make the op-rod removal easier.

3rd is the fact that you'll need an as new or new op-rod for these receivers because the channel for the receiver lug (tab) is full width & they all should be. The latter Armscorp receivers were narrow there to facilitate using worn op-rods.

I used a new op-rod in this receiver & it fit like a glove with no fitting required. In fact, the lock up with the bolt closed was tight with no movement at all on the op-rod. Just the way I like.



4 things to note here.

1rst you may or may not be able to see the smooth surface of the outside of this receiver but, it is smooth unlike previous Armscorp receivers that clearly says "I'm a cast receiver".

2nd the bolt stop window or cut out is excellent. No fitting required here at all. It looks to be machined out rather than cast in place. 1 huge & I mean a huge benefit is that the upper edge on the inside is beveled about 45 degrees. The bolt stop goes all the way up & contacts the left bolt lug 100%. Also, another thing I like was that the width of the cut out is slightly narrower being only about 1/32" of play instead of the typical 1/16" or more. That means softer impact on the bolt stop to receiver however slight it may be. You will not see that on any other cast or forged receiver made today.

Since you can clearly see the receiver leg here, I'll say that for a cast receiver, they're as smooth as they can get with no machine marks (unlike SAI) & the bottom of the legs also have a nice & consistent bevel at about 45 degrees. A big plus if bedding for a NM rifle.

The trigger group was like new with the trigger guard locking lugs being as new & locked up just right. Not to tight or to loose. The housing slid right in but, tight enough that there's not much play from side to side.


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The mag well shows the casting grain which is quite good & smooth for a cast receiver. There's no signs of broaching or finish machining at all. I tried USGI mags & they all went in & out like they should. Even the commercial mags work well.
You can also see the smooth finish on the receiver leg. Very smooth like the other leg. Also notice the 45 degree bevel at the bottom of the leg which is even all the way across.



Look at the face of the left receiver lug carefully. The bevel or radius on the bottom is far less than other receivers. The left receiver lug is taller top to bottom.
The receiver ring face is very square & flat which provides for an even mating surface for barrel install.



Look at the left receiver lug again. You can see that there's no bevel on the top inside either. I don't know if this was on purpose or by accident but, it makes good sense to leave the metal there. I'll explain more in the last photo.
You can also see that the bolt roller notch at the bottom is cut differently from Armscorp receivers. Bolt roller impact is not a problem on this receiver, In fact, there's about .006 gap under the bottom of the bolt roller.


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Here you can see where I checked the lug engagement. The right receiver lug was contacting on the outside 1/2 clearly shown by the bare metal. The left receiver lug was barely making contact as well.



You can clearly see that the right receiver lug is now making full contact at 100%. The left receiver lug is about 95+%. I only lapped the lugs about .0005 (1/2 a thou). Not bad at all considering many receivers require a minimum of .001 or more.

Both receiver lugs are in the correct position for contacting the bolt lugs as they should.
Now for the comment on the taller left receiver lug I talked about earlier. I noticed when I checked the camming of the bolt on the receiver lugs, and saw that both lugs engaged & disengaged at the same time.
I've hardly ever seen this before but, I like it because usually the left bolt lug disengages long before the right bolt lug moves completely off the right receiver lug.

Special notes about this particular receiver.
I used a .051 chambered Criterion 18-1/2" chrome lined barrel & was able to set headspace at 1.633 with a NIW TRW bolt. A used bolt would headspace longer due to wear on the bolt lugs.
Normally the chrome lined barrels I use are .052-.053 so I can get good headspace with new or used bolts.
So just to be safe I suggest using only NIW bolts of you go with a chrome lined barrel such as the Criterion barrel.
A non chrome short chambered barrel would be no problem with a used bolt.
If the receiver lugs were moved forward about .002-.003 the problem would be solved on future receivers, & only if this receiver is an indication of what to expect on each receiver from the manufacturer making these for Fulton.

The receiver safety bridge looked real good but, I noticed that there's less of a helical cut (angle) for the firing pin to hit when being retracted on the forward motion of the bolt. I believe Specs call for 1 turn 2.45 left hand helix.
Firing pin retraction was real good & about +.005 on a gauge.
Meaning that the firing pin retracts a bit sooner.
I've seen less (minus .003 - minus .005) on other forged & cast receivers.
Meaning that the firing pin retracts later. Not good for a free floating firing pin.

I didn't find hardly any burrs either which is nice & only the safety bridge needed a little clean up.

In the event I missed something I'll add it later but, that' more than I was going to post. So would I suggest this receiver ? Well yeah & more so if they fix the receiver lug locations & remove that obnoxious hump in the op-rod dismount notch. I see no need to pay more $$ for a receiver that's not near as good as this one. I hope that was enough.


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Thank you for the excellent review. I may consider purchasing one of their receivers this spring, and am glad I can do so without apprehension.

thank you also for sharing this information with the gun community.

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Thanks Tim! I have another kit sitting in the closet, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Do I really need another one?

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Great review Tim. Any idea who manufacturers the receiver for FA? I too have enough parts for a build, and this looks like a winner. Thanks.


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Great review.

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What could a fella expect to pay for one of these receivers?

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quote:
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What could a fella expect to pay for one of these receivers?


Fulton has them listed for $599.95, I don't know if this is the MSRP or if an 01 ffl will get a discount.
http://www.fulton-armory.com/



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I'm glad you guys enjoyed the review.
I think the pics help as well & hopefully these receivers will be this good (or better with a couple minor changes) in the future.

I'll also add that the NIW TRW bolt dropped right in (with little for-aft play) with no amount of fitting required.


quote:
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Great review Tim. Any idea who manufacturers the receiver for FA? I too have enough parts for a build, and this looks like a winner. Thanks.


No idea on that one.



quote:
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Fulton has them listed for $599.95, I don't know if this is the MSRP or if an 01 ffl will get a discount.
http://www.fulton-armory.com/


They had a sale going on for $100. off that price but, I think the sale expired. You might want to check tho.


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Tim, let us know how future builds on Fulton receivers go. It will be interesting to see if they address the minor issues and maintain their quality.

I'd personally consider buying one if the quality stays consistant.


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Tim, you should post some pics of the gun - I think I know whose it is...


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quote:
Originally posted by shortround
Tim, let us know how future builds on Fulton receivers go.

I have 1 more of those Fulton receivers & I'll let ya know what I find.



quote:
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Tim, you should post some pics of the gun - I think I know whose it is...

Huh ? Want more pics ?
I'll see what I can do........


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I read and reread the review several times and now I understand why it was a great idea to send you my rifle for rebarrel and bolt upgrade. I can understand logic controllers and automation systems and and binary redundancy operations , but this was Greek to me. I thank you for your explanation of the various components that make a receiver in a M1-/M1A.


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John
It's much like building engines.
Some can do good enough that they run without problems & others can tune them to run like hot rods......

quote:
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Tim, you should post some pics of the gun - I think I know whose it is...
Look familiar ??


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Last time I saw those parts, they weren't speaking to each other. WOW!

Tim, you do great work.



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Here's a couple more pics.
The handguard fit good with about 1/32" gap between the stock on both sides.
Who made the gas cylinder plug ?





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Nice from close up, too. That's an SEI SOCOM plug - thought it would look cool on a short barrel rifle...


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Beautiful variant of the M1A/M14!


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For anyone who doesn't know it, Fulton Armory has these receivers on sale:

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As another year passes, Fulton Armory would like to thank you all for your kind and generous support over these past 23 years.
So, we are having a sale!

1. Free shipping on everything, including service work and ammunition.
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3. And, some extra special savings to show off a few things we’ve been working on all year (the following special prices are net of all discounts):

Fulton Armory Precision Investment Cast and Machined M14 Receiver $419.95
Fulton Armory Precision Investment Cast & Machined M14 Rear Lug Receiver $549.95
Fulton Armory Precision Forged and Machined FAR-15 Lower Receiver $89.95
Fulton Armory Precision Machined Billet FAR-308 Lower Receiver $249.95

Fulton Armory Precision Forged and Machined M14 Bolt w/Roller $149.95
Fulton Armory Precision Forged and Machined M14 Operating Rod $172.95

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The sale pushed me off the fence. Just ordered one.


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Whoa who made that rail?

and that muzzle device....if you dont mind me asking?

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Looks like a Smith Enterprises coast guard brake. Don't know about the rail.


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The handguard looks like the Ultimak to me.

http://ultimak.com/m8.htm


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Right on both counts - Smith USGC/Navy brake and Ultimak handguard.


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I finished 2 more rifles on Fulton receivers.
1 was all TRW parts & the other is Winchester parts.
Headspace on both were a bit tighter.
The safety bridge on both still needed to be cleaned up a little.
As you can see in the pic the bolt stop makes 100% contact.
Still 1 more to go when vacation is over.


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Tim, you are getting tight with the camera. With angles like that you can start doing "medical" photography.

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quote:
Originally posted by Warbirds Custom Guns
I'm glad you guys enjoyed the review.
I think the pics help as well & hopefully these receivers will be this good (or better with a couple minor changes) in the future.

I'll also add that the NIW TRW bolt dropped right in (with little for-aft play) with no amount of fitting required.




Are you saying that the TRW bolt/receiver lugs required absolutly no lapping to achieve proper headspace and/or lug engagement??

How are you determining proper lug helix angles/relationship??



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Tim,

On your samples were the underside of the heels as-cast or machined smooth? I'm talking about the surface where the back top end of the bolt slides against the underside of the receiver when the action cycles.

Thanks,
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I've beeen so busy here I forgot about this thread.
Here's more info.

quote:
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Are you saying that the TRW bolt/receiver lugs required absolutly no lapping to achieve proper headspace and/or lug engagement??

Bolt lug engagement was right on like it should be. In other words, receiver lug location was where they should be on the left & right.
I always lap the bolt on new receivers to set headspace.
On this receiver I needed just under .001




quote:
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Tim,
On your samples were the underside of the heels as-cast or machined smooth? I'm talking about the surface where the back top end of the bolt slides against the underside of the receiver when the action cycles.

Thanks,
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They are as cast but, quite smooth on the 3 I had here.
See for yourself.




I saw a couple of blemishes or cosmetic things on this last one as you can see on the rear sight pad.
The dovetail for the stripper clip guide was also cut about .020 to deep so I had to really fit the clip guide on this last one.
I just refinished & installed it after the fitting.




The angle for the firing pin retraction was perfect on this one.
Hey Rotor this pic is for you.


This last Fulton receiver build was an all Winchester build including the barrel.
Headspace is 1.6325 with very little lapping needed.


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Great photos Warbird! Glad you are posting over here!

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Warbird, How are you determining/confirming proper receiver/bolt lug helix angles?


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Just a quick note...the Fulton ARmory receivers are on sale at $399.95.

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OK,

So I bought a Fulton Receiver because they were having sale now I have tried to do some mockup assembley and found that my TRW barrel and my Criterion Barrel wont thread all the way into the receiver.

I have an old demill front end and both barrels thread all the way in. So do I need to send my receiver back or what?

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I would call them and ask...

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quote:
Originally posted by Thorack
OK,

So I bought a Fulton Receiver because they were having sale now I have tried to do some mockup assembley and found that my TRW barrel and my Criterion Barrel wont thread all the way into the receiver.


Thanks
Thorack




The 1st one that Fulton sent me was worse than yours, i tried 8 or 10 different barrels & none would even start to thread onto the receiver - I sent it back & had a replacement within a week - The replacement was still tight, i could just barely hand tighten a new Criterion barrel all the way on, tight as hell, but it has turned out to be my best shooter, shoots 1in groups & better all day long with Mexican match



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quote:
Originally posted by Thorack
OK,

So I bought a Fulton Receiver because they were having sale now I have tried to do some mockup assembley and found that my TRW barrel and my Criterion Barrel wont thread all the way into the receiver.

I have an old demill front end and both barrels thread all the way in. So do I need to send my receiver back or what?

Thanks
Thorack





quote:
Originally posted by IRONWORKER
The 1st one that Fulton sent me was worse than yours, i tried 8 or 10 different barrels & none would even start to thread onto the receiver - I sent it back & had a replacement within a week - The replacement was still tight, i could just barely hand tighten a new Criterion barrel all the way on, tight as hell, but it has turned out to be my best shooter, shoots 1in groups & better all day long with Mexican match



I just did a build on a Fulton receiver that had that "problem" as you call it.
Just because the barrel will not screw in all the way by hand doesn't mean anything.
2 things can cause that problem, if you want to call it a problem.
1 is the finish on the receiver threads may be dry or thick & simply needs some oil for lube.
2 is that the threads on a new barrel or as new barrel may have a burr or may have a thick finish that will prevent hand tightening it.

If the barrel will install with a wrench, there's no real problem.
Experience is the key to getting it done.



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quote:
Originally posted by Warbirds Custom Guns

I just did a build on a Fulton receiver that had that "problem" as you call it.
Just because the barrel will not screw in all the way by hand doesn't mean anything.
2 things can cause that problem, if you want to call it a problem.
1 is the finish on the receiver threads may be dry or thick & simply needs some oil for lube.
2 is that the threads on a new barrel or as new barrel may have a burr or may have a thick finish that will prevent hand tightening it.

If the barrel will install with a wrench, there's no real problem.
Experience is the key to getting it done.
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The receiver threads were incorrectly machined - barrels would not even start to thread onto the receiver & Fulton replaced it simple as that



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Greetings,
I have a question about that smith can. Does the coastguard / navy version have the same OD measurement as an fal-imbel combo? It looks close in size to the imbel , and I know they use m14s to launch lines between ships. I've been looking for a m76 attachment for my m1a to no success, and the smith brake looks like it might suit my purposes.[ playing with m31's]
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