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Old August 14, 2019, 09:27   #1
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Registration by any other name........

Can't have effective background checks if you don't know where all the guns are. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-gun-registry/

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Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out.

If you ask the government for a permit, you are admitting that you don't have a right.
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Old August 14, 2019, 10:20   #2
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Well, of course that's what they want. They believe in a world without guns and will relentlessly pursue their vision from every angle.

And POTUS appears to mostly agree with them at the moment.
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Old August 14, 2019, 12:37   #3
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If you have ever filled out a 4473 you are already registered. Especially now that they call them in or go through the internet. The next step is simply to ban them and require you to turn them in.
All that the 4473 means in Ohio is that you were the original purchaser.
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Inside every progressive is a totalitarian screaming to get out.

If you ask the government for a permit, you are admitting that you don't have a right.
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Old August 14, 2019, 12:41   #4
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Can't have effective background checks if you don't know where all the guns are...
this is not about "effective background checks", it is about imposing prohibition, people control.


the actors screaming for universal background checks, are the very same actors screaming that carry permits are no good because permit holders are "criminals", in spite of the background check universally required for carry permit.


if they want to demand universal background checks,
fine then as part of that, all us permit holders will carry our guns universally, anywhere, same as cops, for the same reasons.

a pass is a pass, is a pass; equal access to equal standing, for everybody.

otherwise why demand universal "effective background checks" if they know they dont work,
or if "effective background checks" do work, universally,
then there is no problem with gunnies packing heat.
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Old August 14, 2019, 15:27   #5
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I only have maybe 4 guns I've ever bought through a dealer. I don't particularly care for waiting the maximum time either because it's my SSN or military service holding up instant clearance.
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Old August 15, 2019, 17:03   #6
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Those forms, 4473s, may indeed be floating around out there someplace, or in some file cabinet in a dealer's back room. For me personally, I have bought, sold, traded, so many guns over the years that I have no idea where anything is that was originally purchased by me. Many of you are likewise. But I'll say this, anyone who registers their firearms will loose them... taken away by a fascist government we didn't vote for. What happens afterwards is clearly evident historically. If you and your family don't go along the cattle cars are waiting for you.
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Old August 16, 2019, 09:11   #7
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If you and your family don't go along the cattle cars are waiting for you.
Help us Brother Whydah: What do you mean by "don't go along" as in , what is the alternative; what are we supposed to do?

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Old August 16, 2019, 12:49   #9
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Help us Brother Whydah: What do you mean by "don't go along" as in , what is the alternative; what are we supposed to do?

TIA,

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What obviously MILLIONS of Americans do

How many folks smoke grass ?
don't matter if it's legal in your State, it's still unlawful Federally
people just ignore Federal law

Take the issue of prohibited persons
How many Citizens are currently prohibited from possessing firearms
Well there are only extremely rough estimates

general accepted number of felons is upside of twenty million
works out to one in twelve Americans
understand well over 90% are Male, let's call it then one in six American Men
and remember, I'm folding in even minors under 18

But that's hardly accurate either Jarhead
now you have to add in folks with dishonorable discharges, mental adjudications, dopers, folks who were convicted of misdemeanors that could have resulted in over a year incarceration
that's a whole bunch of millions more
lets not forget those affected by Lautenberg that were convicted of misdemeanor domestics or have an RO on them

I worked up a study on this back in the 90s
as near as I could determine for every four American Men one was prohibited RKBA
this is lower in rural areas & higher in urban generally speaking
understand this has changed with the advent of legal weed as well

So how many follow Federal code ?
how many who own a gun smoke pot ?
yeah millions including a fair number of Filers

Now lets talk about those who don't
truth is folks unlawfully buy or aquire guns ALL THE DAMN" TIME
I'm not talkin' prohibited persons one bit either

So some examples are in order:

You travel out of State to visit family
Great Auntie Maggie sez to you Jarhead would you like Uncle's 1911 he carried in Korea ?
So do you decline, have it shipped through a local FFL or do you just do what normal folks do and thank her for the gift and UNLAWFULLY take it home.

Grandad gave me a .22 for Xmas one year
He was from ND and I'm in MN
no you can't just gift guns over State lines
Estate is the only real exception
Thing is folks gift guns all the damn time this way in complete violation of Federal Code

another...
Jarhead is rolling along home from Great Auntie Maggies with his illegally obtained heirloom 1911 and see a sign Estate Sale. Well you roll in and mixed with the housewares is a WWII German G43 tagged for $250.00
Whatdaydo ?
Understand the moment you slide the cash over you have committed a felony

Then of course...Gun Shows
Think border communities particularly on this
Grand Forks ND vs East Grand Forks MN
Duluth MN vs Superior WI
Fargo ND vs Moorehead MN
all these cities have shows and each in that list are connected by a bridge over a river
this leads to dozens of interstate private sale violations every show

again, the vast bulk of all of the above is good folks Jarhead
they are not prohibited in any way, shape or form
never think of stealing, doping, etc
but you know what ?
They spit on stupid gun rules and regulations
people always have

I'm not telling folks what to do, just the greater reality of all this
do you think one more law will change how folks do things really ?
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How many here don't give a good god damn about any federal gun laws!?

As no one can say how they have jurisdiction over my flesh and blood body!!

I would tell my POV but don't want to be called a loony or a sovereign citizen as there is no such thing, the term is just "sovereign".

I would spill my beliefs about my POV but only to those that really want to know one on one.

Wait a min I need to don my titanium foil hat~
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How many here don't give a good god damn about any federal gun laws!?...
the federal superstate only exists thanks to military arms in the hands of the common unorganized militia man in the first place,

so how then is it that same federal superstate can somehow "ban", "prohibit" or "outlaw" military arms in the hands of the common unorganized militia man?

as codified under title 10 USC 311.
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Old August 17, 2019, 10:21   #12
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NYS and CT missed 5-10 million EBR's.

Compliance nationally? 300++ million guns? Canada failed at it too.

Go to Chicago, door to door, like Philly just experienced.
Sheldon Outhouse can volunteer to collect them in Providence, RI.

Them Rem 700's and Win 30-30's will never be found, let alone handguns in the lower 46 that do not register them.

AR's? Ain't no such thing.
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