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Old January 25, 2019, 18:20   #401
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How close to the receiver should the barrel clamp be? Mine seems to be in the 5"-6" range, I want to be sure to have enough thread contact on the bolts on the clamp? Does anyone here use rosin in the clamp, for more grip?
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I used rosin for the first time last night. It's a good idea.

The instructions for my Brownell's barrel vice I use say 3" from the receiver and the aluminum inserts are marked with the end that goes toward the receiver. Your vice might be different.

That said out of three barrels I've messed with they are all shaped a little different so I use a bit of movement of the vice inserts while I'm tightening them to "feel" when they have the best bite.

I also use single layer of shop paper (very thin, very dense) to wrap the barrel. A single layer of that very dense stuff has kept both the barrel and the receiver safe from rash.

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Thanks to all. I worry the first time doing something new, to me. Maybe get to this tomorrow?
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Old January 25, 2019, 18:22   #403
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I used rosin for the first time last night. It's a good idea.

The instructions for my Brownell's barrel vice I use say 3" from the receiver and the aluminum inserts are marked with the end that goes toward the receiver. Your vice might be different.

That said out of three barrels I've messed with they are all shaped a little different so I use a bit of movement of the vice inserts while I'm tightening them to "feel" when they have the best bite.

I also use single layer of shop paper (very thin, very dense) to wrap the barrel. A single layer of that very dense stuff has kept both the barrel and the receiver safe from rash.

Good luck
With my vise i just barely get the nuts started at 5=6"s from receiver?
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Old January 25, 2019, 18:24   #404
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Thanks to all. I worry the first time doing something new, to me. Maybe get to this tomorrow?
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This FALFiles crowd led me through it over the last month or so.
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Old January 25, 2019, 18:28   #405
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With my vise i just barely get the nuts started at 5=6"s from receiver?
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Barrel profiles (shape) vary. Each one is a new adventure! My vice specifies 3 inches from the receiver and the aluminum inserts
point to the end that's next to the receiver.

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Still waiting for my gas nut and gas regulator that was missing from my last kit
Iíve sent in a stripped lower with bent pistol grip stud and cruddy barrel for replacement.
This is the last email I got for the missing parts on Jan 14.
Hello Chris
This email has been sent to inform you that your order, #226230, has been updated to a status of Order In Warehouse. If this is an order for parts or accessories, your order will ship out shortly. If this is an order for a COMPLETE FIREARM, an ACTION, a FRAME or a RECEIVER, you now have 48 hours to email or fax your FFL in to us or the order will be cancelled. Thank you.
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Old January 25, 2019, 19:47   #407
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With my vise i just barely get the nuts started at 5=6"s from receiver?
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Steve, This is to add to my response earlier. I don't know what kind of vice you have??? but take those bolts to the hardware store and buy some longer ones. Also if you can't get the vice any closer than that to the receiver just set it up so you can support the barrel from underneath(block of wood--2x4 etc) and torgue the receiver towards the support.

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Got the barrel screwed into my receiver today, tried the gas tube and keeper screwed in by hand. Plan on setting the head space this next week sometime? Notice I'm missing a couple of parts in my kit? Already contacted Sarco and got message back saying whoever is in charge of these things would be out of the office for a while, will send another message informing them about other missing parts today.
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Here;s something to watch for by new builders of the FALs. After assembling the mag catch and bolt stop on my receiver, I could get mags to drop out of the upper and took me a while to realize the mag catch spring wasn't in its seat so took a small Craftsman flat bladed screw driver and pushed it up into its seat, now works as it should. I' learning.
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Old January 27, 2019, 23:39   #410
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Thanks S.B. We noobies need this sort of stuff.
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Old January 27, 2019, 23:55   #411
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Now that I've seen a few of these kits I have to ask (haven't seen any thing about it elsewhere) what are the these scallop marks on both the Chilean and Cuban receivers?

They seem newer than the receiver and I'm not smart enough yet to figure these out.

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Did Chile contract with FN for the rifles these kits come from or did they buy them from another country? I can not find this stated anywhere on the web. Were they originally Cuban contract? Or some other country's? I've seen mention of several other countries contracting with FN for FALs ie: Argentina, Brazil, Israel. Germany, Austria and others but, nothing about a Chilean contract?
P.S. according to Wikipedia, Chile was just a "user" of FALs so, where did they get them from?
Got my kit put together this morning so, took a couple of pictures:
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Haven't been able to shoot it yet due to the subzero Illinois weather this past week but, will soon enough.
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Did Chile contract with FN for the rifles these kits come from or did they buy them from another country? I can not find this stated anywhere on the web. Were they originally Cuban contract? Or some other country's? I've seen mention of several other countries contracting with FN for FALs ie: Argentina, Brazil, Israel. Germany, Austria and others but, nothing about a Chilean contract?
P.S. according to Wikipedia, Chile was just a "user" of FALs so, where did they get them from?
Got my kit put together this morning so, took a couple of pictures:
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Haven't been able to shoot it yet due to the subzero Illinois weather this past week but, will soon enough.
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Nice Stick! Let us know how it shoos/functions. I like that you put a mag in the gun, but you are missing a few things in your photo that carry on the true FAL FILES tradition. Your riFAL needs to be on concrete, it needs to have a decent alcoholic beverage in the photo, a decent quality tobacco product is preferred also like a premium cigar. And last but not least if you really want to go full bore you need to include some gnarly looking toes....
Seriously though nice gun!!
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Nice Stick! Let us know how it shoos/functions. I like that you put a mag in the gun, but you are missing a few things in your photo that carry on the true FAL FILES tradition. Your riFAL needs to be on concrete, it needs to have a decent alcoholic beverage in the photo, a decent quality tobacco product is preferred also like a premium cigar. And last but not least if you really want to go full bore you need to include some gnarly looking toes....
Seriously though nice gun!!
My patio has had up to 12" of snow on it till just yesterday and temperatures have been well below zero for over a week now(Illinois in the winter?) and I much prefer domestic Jack Daniels to foreign alcohol, sorry just an American boy but, thanks.
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A lot of the Chilean FAL kit guns where Brazilian made by Imbel, I may be wrong but I think all where made by Imbel.

One of our vendors here ( Dan ) had shitloads of them at his warehouse back around 1999-2001 which is where 3 of my FAL kits came from.
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Thanks Bill so, the title of this thread is am error(no Chilean contract?) By the way I worked 34 years in LIUNA #996.
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Thanks Bill so, the title of this thread is am error(no Chilean contract?) By the way I worked 34 years in LIUNA #996.
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Unless Imbel was forging Belgian FN markings on their barrels, I'd say that these are for sure contract FALs for some country.
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The kits recently offered by SARCO and the subject of this thread are indeed FN contract kits produced for Chile (and may have some Cuban contract parts mixed in for good measure, as some have received). Blake Stevens' book The FAL Rifle, Vol. 3 (The Metric FAL) depicts a Chilean contract FN/FAL rifle, 1960, and shows a closeup of its roll-stamped coat-of-arms with "Ejercito de Chile" above. He gives no further information about this contract, such as production quantities.

As EagleArms observed, these Chilean contract parts kits have Belgian FN markings and date codes on various parts. The Chilean contract FAL is practically identical to the Cuban contract FAL of 1958, except they don't have the upside-down triangle stamp on the lower. (Also the earliest Cuban FALs reportedly came with wood handguards and a bayonet lug on the barrel). Lee Carpentieri explains when these were imported in Post #70 of this thread. Elsewhere, he said this was around 1997.

The kits that bill3542 referred to are completely different. They were made by IMBEL for Chile in the 1970s, and have fiberglas handguards and combo devices. About 25,000 of these kits were imported by P.W. Arms in ~2001 and sold by Dan's and others. The ones you can buy today from Arizona Response Systems (acquired from Entreprise bankruptcy) are probably the remainder of that batch.
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The kits recently offered by SARCO and the subject of this thread are indeed FN contract kits produced for Chile (and may have some Cuban contract parts mixed in for good measure, as some have received). Blake Stevens' book The FAL Rifle, Vol. 3 (The Metric FAL) depicts a Chilean contract FN/FAL rifle, 1960, and shows a closeup of its roll-stamped coat-of-arms with "Ejercito de Chile" above. He gives no further information about this contract, such as production quantities.

As EagleArms observed, these Chilean contract parts kits have Belgian FN markings and date codes on various parts. The Chilean contract FAL is practically identical to the Cuban contract FAL of 1958, except they don't have the upside-down triangle stamp on the lower. (Also the earliest Cuban FALs reportedly came with wood handguards and a bayonet lug on the barrel). Lee Carpentieri explains when these were imported in Post #70 of this thread. Elsewhere, he said this was around 1997.

The kits that bill3542 referred to are completely different. They were made by IMBEL for Chile in the 1970s, and have fiberglas handguards and combo devices. About 25,000 of these kits were imported by P.W. Arms in ~2001 and sold by Dan's and others. The ones you can buy today from Arizona Response Systems (acquired from Entreprise bankruptcy) are probably the remainder of that batch.

I did notice a Belgium proof on the barrel I received but, who's to say these kits were shipped in tact(all the parts from the same gun?). Not to confuse the matter but, why is there no mention of a FN contract with Chile to be found on the internet, then while others are all over the place ie; Argentina, Israel, Germanty, Austria and many others?
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It looks like Sarco is sold out of Belgian made Chilean contract FN FAL kits again.
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It looks like Sarco is sold out of Belgian made Chilean contract FN FAL kits again.
Maybe they'll get a few returns that may go back in stock
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I bought what I think is the last kit they had yesterday and I'm excited to see what I end up with. Maybe a Cuban lower? I still need to get my other one built.
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My kit came in today. Sadly I didn't get a Cuban lower. I think the lower and handguard are from an STG58. The stock has some interesting sandanista graffiti. I'll post pics once I figure out how.
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ACL_KY, looks a lot like my stock when it arrived luckily most of the vise marks ironed out of mine but, your mileage may vary? Glad to see it arrived.
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I wonder where Sarco dug up that G1 lower
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I wonder where Sarco dug up that G1 lower
And I wonder how a G1 would have gotten to Nicaragua, from the FSLN carving. Were the G1s sold off to South America once the Germans switched to the G3?
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And I wonder how a G1 would have gotten to Nicaragua, from the FSLN carving. Were the G1s sold off to South America once the Germans switched to the G3?
I thought they went to Turkey. Maybe SARCO just grabbed what they had lying around. Wouldn't be the first time.
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Mine came with a G1 lower as well, maybe Portuguese?
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Mine came with a G1 lower as well, maybe Portuguese?

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So I suppose sarco just put the stock on a random lower, I guess the same thing happened with the handguards. Is there any difference in G1 and STG58 handguards? Are any of these barrels from G1s?
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I did notice it has a horizontal(later)take down lever, also ACL_KY?
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Yep SB, the takedown lever is horizontal and covers the serial numbers. I noticed some odd "trench art" when got it out of the box today, as well as some Rhodesian screws on the rear sling swivel. One question I can't answer-this a G1 or Steyr lower?




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From what I been able to find out through my research, there was never any Chilean contract with FN hence the G1 or 3 hand guards? I emailed both FN Herstal and US and asked without ever getting any replies? Mine arrived with a very long stock, Chilean Indians are usually smaller in stature? My
thoughts are FN used up parts from previous contracts(if Chile had a contract, at all)or these were purchased directly from another country or maybe several other countries? Maybe Germany after FN denied them the right to build their own and changed over to CETME 91s or H&Ks? But, now yours shows up with horizontal take down lever and the only way that would work is if Sarco worked their magic and added later model parts to the mystery?
I am not a FAL expert by any means so anyone with more knowledge please chime in here and set me right?
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From what I been able to find out through my research, there was never any Chilean contract with FN hence the G1 or 3 hand guards? I emailed both FN Herstal and US and asked without ever getting any replies? Mine arrived with a very long stock, Chilean Indians are usually smaller in stature? My
thoughts are FN used up parts from previous contracts(if Chile had a contract, at all)or these were purchased directly from another country or maybe several other countries? Maybe Germany after FN denied them the right to build their own and changed over to CETME 91s or H&Ks? But, now yours shows up with horizontal take down lever and the only way that would work is if Sarco worked their magic and added later model parts to the mystery?
I am not a FAL expert by any means so anyone with more knowledge please chime in here and set me right?
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1. Get the Blake Stevens FAL Bible and read it. It covers the Chilean contract.

2. Its pretty common knowledge that as SARCO gets to the bottom of the barrel, or kits get returned for various reasons, they dig into their warehouse and add and remove parts to make up a complete kit. This explains the G1 lower substitution, and Rhodie painted bits on the recent (and bottom of the barrel) mixmaster "Chilean" kits. Do not read into the mismatched parts.
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Its pretty common knowledge that as SARCO gets to the bottom of the barrel, or kits get returned for various reasons, they dig into their warehouse and add and remove parts to make up a complete kit. This explains the G1 lower substitution, and Rhodie painted bits on the recent (and bottom of the barrel) mixmaster "Chilean" kits. Do not read into the mismatched parts.
^^^^This

The last two "kits" I got from SARCO had Argy sights, Izzy carry handles, a Rhodie lower, an L1A1 bolt and gas plugs, and a BGS bolt carrier. They tend to throw enough parts together to technically be considered a kit. Hence Scrap And Rust Company (SARCO).

Pretty sure they're running out of true Chilean rifles and simply subbing in parts where they're short.
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I'm pretty sure the last round of "10" kits they had were all returned for various reasons. That said I'm happy I got one as it is a nice change from the Imbel/G1 kits that were available bck in the day.
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I got my second kit in this week and overall I am impressed. It came with a Cuban lower and the Belgian FN barrel and gas block have some small areas of Rhodesian paint on them. Maybe this rifle was captured by the Rhodies?





Only thing wrong is that the bolt and carrier have some heat damage to them and I will be sending those back for replacement. Other than that, the only missing part is the charging handle lock and pin and the extractor.


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Interesting. The Bolt carrier and bolt are sanitized of serials also. Looks like Rhodesian hand guards also

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I got my second kit in this week and overall I am impressed. It came with a Cuban lower and the Belgian FN barrel and gas block have some small areas of Rhodesian paint on them. Maybe this rifle was captured by the Rhodies?





Only thing wrong is that the bolt and carrier have some heat damage to them and I will be sending those back for replacement. Other than that, the only missing part is the charging handle lock and pin and the extractor.

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Out of 4 kits I didnít get one Cuban lower...😐
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Out of 4 kits I didnít get one Cuban lower...😐
I didn't even get a Chilean lower. Lol
Seeing as sarco shows they're out of stock I won't bother trying to switch it out.
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What's the significance of Cuban parts why the desire to get these? Aren't they all Belgium to begin with?
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Old February 20, 2019, 15:14   #445
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What's the significance of Cuban parts why the desire to get these? Aren't they all Belgium to begin with?
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Same as with the fascination with Rhodesian stuff I imagine. Its all about the history. Other than the inverted triangle on the lower by the S/N, there isn't any real difference between the Cuban contract and any other early FAL (BGS, etc). Thing is, that triangle is unusual, has a unique historical context, and is therefore collectible.
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Hell, when I decided to order the Chilean kit, I hadn't had a FAL in several decades so, was something to actually have another FAL to play with again. ANY FAL. I was used to getting raped on builds before this. This was my first time building one, I've built M1s, M1As, 1911s and of course ARs before but, never a FAL.
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Just something different. I grew up in Miami, so the whole Cuban build kind of appeals to me. I knew some Cuban folks that used to tell stories about Cuba and their experiences.
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They were used to kill communists. Like Russian captured K98s, Rhodesian R1s, and Portuguese G3s.

It just feels good.
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They were used to kill communists. Like Russian captured K98s, Rhodesian R1s, and Portuguese G3s.

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Canít argue with that....👍🏻
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They were used to kill communists. Like Russian captured K98s, Rhodesian R1s, and Portuguese G3s.

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Wait a minute, I though Castro was a communist himself????
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