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Old April 20, 2017, 16:23   #1
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What bayonet?

For an stg58 stoll?
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Old April 20, 2017, 16:26   #2
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Aside from a test batch of 300 that was never adopted, the answer is "none".
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Old April 20, 2017, 16:29   #3
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Aside from a test batch of 300 that was never adopted, the answer is "none".
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Old April 20, 2017, 16:35   #4
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Austrians didn't believe in up close and personal. They were prepared to just sit back, eat wurst/drink beer in the mountains, and reach over once in a great while to pull the trigger on that StG-58 sitting on it's bipod, then repeat. Thus, they issued no bayo (and took up that space in their kit with a gayly colored picnic tablecloth I guess). All of the troops I ever saw over there were much more concerned with what's for lunch, than bayonet training.

The Cannucks, however, showed up with a bayo in their teeth to even the NCO club. Happily they preferred to use them on each other not the strange yank in the corner.

For the Brits, it was a dead end place and almost nothing of value - made all the worse by the lack of someplace to get bangers and mash.
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^ I wholeheartedly accept this version of history.
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Aside from a test batch of 300 that was never adopted, the answer is "none".
What are the details on those (to include type of bayonet meant to be used with them)?
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The type C bayonet fits the Stoll.
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Old April 20, 2017, 20:36   #8
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The type C bayonet fits the Stoll.
The ones I have fit but don't lock. I can rig it to work though.
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The type C bayonet fits the Stoll.
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=906661
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Aside from a test batch of 300 that was never adopted, the answer is "none".
Interesting. Never heard of this before. Pictures? Link?
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Interesting. Never heard of this before. Pictures? Link?
There are pictures in the link posted above your post, but you have to be a member to see them. I signed up, but so far I still cannot see them. The posts there have some info, as well.
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That's the alleged "StG-58" bayonet. The guy initiated the thread actually wanted to know what bayonet that was. Somewhere in the middle of the thread he claimed it was a "StG-58" bayonet.

The bayonet has a hole in the pommel to lock to a bayonet lug. With the stoll flashhider sits way back, I don't know how it's going to work.

The more I look at the bayonet, the more certain I am that it is not a StG-58 bayonet.

Can you make it work? Yes. You pin a proper bayonet lug to the barrel, and you'll have to cut the stoll flashhider in half to make room for the bayonet lug!

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Yeah, I was unsure about how the pommel attached. A clamp behind the Stoll device with a stud would not be hard to fashion. Regardless, it's an interesting side note for whatever rifle that bayonet was truly intended, but the point remains: StGs were not issued with bayonets.
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That's the alleged "StG-58" bayonet. The guy initiated the thread actually wanted to know what bayonet that was. Somewhere in the middle of the thread he claimed it was a "StG-58" bayonet.

The bayonet has a hole in the pommel to lock to a bayonet lug. With the stoll flashhider sits way back, I don't know how it's going to work.

The more I look at the bayonet, the more certain I am that it is not a StG-58 bayonet.

Can you make it work? Yes. You pin a proper bayonet lug to the barrel, and you'll have to cut the stoll flashhider in half to make room for the bayonet lug!
That's a Stg 57 bayonet in the pics you posted.

As far as the type C bayonet fitting yes but, a notch would need to be cut at 6:00 in one of the Stolle's cooling/harmonic/whatever rings to lock it into a stationary position. Not correct but, could be made to work.
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That's a Stg 57 bayonet in the pics you posted.

As far as the type C bayonet fitting yes but, a notch would need to be cut at 6:00 in one of the Stolle's cooling/harmonic/whatever rings to lock it into a stationary position. Not correct but, could be made to work.
Looks like the blade is a bit shorter and the scabbard is somewhat different, albeit similar. Both have Austrian markings. From the hilt rearwards, except for the metal finish and triangle marking, it looks identical to a Stgw-57 bayonet to me. I asked on there for more info; I'm wondering if they intended to clamp on the Stgw-57 bayonet lug and if that could work with the Stoll device, especially if rifle grenade use was intended to be retained.
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Hard to tell from the angle of the pic if the blade is actually shorter and, it may be. The scab is certainly different for the frog attachment. I think this is one of the development models and, along with the adopted bayonet/scabbard was designed with the possibility of fitting both the Stg57 and Stg58 rifles. By the time the Stg58 was adopted bayonets had fallen off the needs list and not developed further.
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