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Old September 08, 2018, 13:21   #1
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CETME in Kenya

Found this in a petroleum periodical ... old colonial leftovers that found their way into eastern Africa or maybe old surplus weapons sales?

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Old September 08, 2018, 13:57   #2
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I believe those are actually H&K G-3 rifles.

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Old September 08, 2018, 14:31   #3
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I believe those are actually H&K G-3 rifles.

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Yup, G3.
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Old September 26, 2018, 18:42   #4
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Definitely G3, must be left over from Rhodesia .
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Old September 26, 2018, 18:49   #5
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G3s saw (and see) extensive use in Africa from the Bush War, the wars in Angola and Mozambique and countless others. I'm sure there are some that have been dragged around over there since the 1960s with no end to their service life in sight.
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Old September 27, 2018, 08:56   #6
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Portuguese G3's.. I shot one in Rhodesia in 1977, piece of crap. Put me off from H&K's for years, until I found I liked the HK93.
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Old September 27, 2018, 12:51   #7
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Portuguese G3's.. I shot one in Rhodesia in 1977, piece of crap. Put me off from H&K's for years, until I found I liked the HK93.
What did you not like about the G3?
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Old September 27, 2018, 12:55   #8
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Big, clunky and a horrible trigger compared to the R1 I had in the SADF. I still don't like the triggers, even on the HK93 - almost as bad as L1A1 triggers..
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Old September 27, 2018, 15:25   #9
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The triggers are easy to improve.

Not sure in the end but after mines was reworked on, they've been pretty good.
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Old September 28, 2018, 11:39   #10
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Definitely a G3, but slim chance they came from Portugal or Rhodesia. Plenty of other countries adopted and exported the G3. The furniture on those look black, and FBP-produced rifles at the time of Portugal's colonial involvement would have had green furniture with the slim forend.
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Old September 28, 2018, 12:07   #11
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Definitely a G3, but slim chance they came from Portugal or Rhodesia. Plenty of other countries adopted and exported the G3. The furniture on those look black, and FBP-produced rifles at the time of Portugal's colonial involvement would have had green furniture with the slim forend.
Looks pretty green too me.
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Old September 28, 2018, 17:26   #12
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almost as bad as L1A1 triggers..
..wash your mouth out with soap and say a Hail Mary....

I have always enjoyed playing around with H&K things, but the G3 is a pig of a thing, the 33 and MP5 seem to have it closer to the mark. TheG3 always felt like I was just waving around a really heavy 2x4.

Don't even start me on the G36/UMP ....
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Looks pretty green too me.
I suppose you're right, but that looks like a very dark green, especially compared to the faded DPM's he's wearing. They're probably composed mostly accumulated dust and grime, anyway. Still, the rest of the statement stands. Almost all the countries around Kenya used/uses the G3, and Sudan makes them under license.
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I suppose you're right, but that looks like a very dark green, especially compared to the faded DPM's he's wearing. They're probably composed mostly accumulated dust and grime, anyway. Still, the rest of the statement stands. Almost all the countries around Kenya used/uses the G3, and Sudan makes them under license.
I had a parts kit a lot like the one in the photo, it had the exact same wide handguard that was missing the sling clip on the side. It was the same color green, albeit that most of the darkness was dirt and grime. It didnít have any markings execpt for the barrel. Consensus was it was German made. This kit probably came from Africa also.

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Old October 01, 2018, 08:02   #15
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Kenya has been using the G3 for @ 50 years.

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In 1967, H&K exported the first 500 G3s to the Kenyan police. No subsequent direct arms sales from the FRG to Kenya were recorded. The official aid programme only featured ‘soft’ equipment like Mercedes-trucks. However, according to the small arms expert, Edward Ezell, Kenya allegedly purchased 200 000 G3s from English licence production instead. The cooperation agreement of 1970 between H&K and the Royal Ordnance Factories (ROF) in Enfield ( a copy exists at the British National Archive) provides evidence that H&K entered the partnership in order to get access to markets that were barred under German law.
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Very prone to getting bent out of shape. A FAL is far more durable. I have an FMP and R1 that came out of Zim. The FMP has a like new original barrel but out of shape parts and dents from carry/use. The FAL has seen a lot more shooting and likely use but mechanically is in far better shape.
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Old October 01, 2018, 18:09   #17
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NICE patina!!!!
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Old October 01, 2018, 19:01   #18
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g3

Never a bad trigger - just BAD shooters.
I've never bumped into a trigger I couldn't get a decent let off with.
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Old October 01, 2018, 23:16   #19
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Kenya has been using the G3 for @ 50 years.
http://www.bits.de/public/articles/k...nl01-08eng.htm
Good info, Story. Forgot that Kenya used the G3 directly.
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Old October 02, 2018, 08:03   #20
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Enjoyable to read thread here, thanks to all. Good stuff!
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