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Old April 15, 2019, 13:07   #1
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Notre Dame Cathedral

Looks like it's burning down.
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Old April 15, 2019, 13:32   #2
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Really a shame. Been through it several times and thought it was a magnificent structure built in the 12th century
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The French will never admit this is muzz-related. Because if they do the guillotines will be back out on the streets before sundown, and they won't be lopping off just the diaper-draped ones.
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I'll reserve judgement on the religion of peace, but it looks mighty suspicious coming so close on the heels of another recent event.
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What a tragedy. Personally, I love worshiping and praying in these old, old European cathedrals. I go out of my way to do so in my travels and it brings out emotions that are difficult to explain.

Regardless of your own level of faith, for me there is truly a sense of awe when I am sitting in one of these grand old places dedicated to God, built hundreds of years ago with a labor of love towards Him.

I feel my prayers and worship are received equally from my couch at home, my church, or sitting in a hotel room overseas as I am now. There is indeed something special however in my heart about praying in a grand house of God that sings to my soul.

The apparent loss of Notre Dame is a tragedy for our future generations to feel that same appreciation of our Lord. I have to wonder if it was accidental or planned.....
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Old April 15, 2019, 13:59   #6
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Reports said it had scaffolding around it and was under renovation and the fire started there.
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Reputedly started by workmen, as they were managing some sort of "SMALL FIRE" in conjunction with a 7 million dollar Restoration.

WTF? In an old largely wooden Cathedral? Work permits in Paris on historical buildings would not allow such "fires". WTF were they doing? Forging axes?

I built my home and never had a working fire inside.

I suspect that some sort of nefarious activity, by "the usual suspects", posing as laborers and workmen, just before Easter in Paris, is the cause. Fire started after the building has closed for the day...........very very suspicious.

Muhammad and Faisal, were just using a torch to thaw some pipes.
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860 years old and built as a place to gather and worship God together.
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Looks like on 3/21 they saw this comming...


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3742185/posts

France has seen a spate of attacks against Catholic churches since the start of the year, vandalism that has included arson and desecration.

Vandals have smashed statues, knocked down tabernacles, scattered or destroyed the Eucharist and torn down crosses, sparking fears of a rise in anti-Catholic sentiment in the country.

Last Sunday, the historic Church of St. Sulpice in Paris was set on fire just after midday mass on Sunday, Le Parisien reported, although no one was injured. Police are still investigating ....
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It's time to start planning the evacuation of Europe and relocating the treasures & heirlooms of western civilization to safer shores. France, Italy, the Netherlands and probably Germany have been lost to the invading hordes of seventh century savages. The UK is likely next. Eastern Europe is holding for now but probably cannot last.

They cannot say they weren't warned. But these creatures will double down on political correctness and multiculturalism and will sacrifice it all before acknowledging their failure. We are probably going to witness the loss of the Louve, the Vatican, the treasures of Florence, Rome, Madrid, Barcelona and much of what remains in our lifetimes.

Sad. And so avoidable. And all for nothing, a fight is coming regardless of what these pompous asses do or fail to do today.
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What a tragedy. Personally, I love worshiping and praying in these old, old European cathedrals. I go out of my way to do so in my travels and it brings out emotions that are difficult to explain.

Regardless of your own level of faith, for me there is truly a sense of awe when I am sitting in one of these grand old places dedicated to God, built hundreds of years ago with a labor of love towards Him.

I feel my prayers and worship are received equally from my couch at home, my church, or sitting in a hotel room overseas as I am now. There is indeed something special however in my heart about praying in a grand house of God that sings to my soul.

The apparent loss of Notre Dame is a tragedy for our future generations to feel that same appreciation of our Lord. I have to wonder if it was accidental or planned.....
That's an eloquent way to put it. I have not been privileged to travel far enough to share the same experiences. However, attending Easter Mass in the St Louis Cathedral in New Orleans was a moving experience for me.

I am privately praying this was negligence and not arson. If it was arson, this should classed as an act of terrorism.
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It's time to start planning the evacuation of Europe and relocating the treasures & heirlooms of western civilization to safer shores. France, Italy, the Netherlands and probably Germany have been lost to the invading hordes of seventh century savages. The UK is likely next. Eastern Europe is holding for now but probably cannot last.

They cannot say they weren't warned. But these creatures will double down on political correctness and multiculturalism and will sacrifice it all before acknowledging their failure. We are probably going to witness the loss of the Louve, the Vatican, the treasures of Florence, Rome, Madrid, Barcelona and much of what remains in our lifetimes.

Sad. And so avoidable. And all for nothing, a fight is coming regardless of what these pompous asses do or fail to do today.
Not much chance you can move an 860 year old Cathedral and to allow invaders to burn down your churches means your country no longer exist. Just thinking about it, it's the commie socialist government that opened the door to this evil and now just like the commies here that pull down our history we see the commies let French history be destroyed.

Notre Dame was a Cathedral for all Christians, 800 years in the building and there is no way to ever bring it back.

Burnt down at Easter...
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Not much chance you can move an 860 year old Cathedral and to allow invaders to burn down your churches means your country no longer exist. Just thinking about it, it's the commie socialist government that opened the door to this evil and now just like the commies here that pull down our history we see the commies let French history be destroyed.

Notre Dame was a Cathedral for all Christians, 800 years in the building and there is no way to ever bring it back.
No, the real estate is lost. As I said Europe itself is lost to the muzz. But the treasures it contains today, the relics, artifacts, documents etc which constitute the very cultural and intellectual base of western civilization itself can still be salvaged. The books in the Vatican library have not even been fully cataloged as far as I can determine, never mind released. Not even the Catholic Church knows for sure what they have squirreled away down there. These things are truly without price. Likewise the paintings, statues, historical artifacts, the value of these things cannot be measured.

It's why the muzz want 'em destroyed. And much of the left is fine with that. It's been done before, the library of Alexandria was famously destroyed back in the day by you-know-who and for the same reasons. Then as now the world sat by and did nothing, although there was arguably not a lot more that could be done at the time. Certainly there were efforts made later on to put things to rights but it was too little, too late and what was attempted was badly executed. Truth is it was simply not within their means.

We don't have that excuse today. We need to get going on this, and if not now, then when the hell is it gonna be?
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No, the real estate is lost. But the treasures they contain can be salvaged. The books in the Vatican library have not even been fully cataloged, never mind released. They are truly without price. Likewise the paintings, statues, historical artifacts, the value of these things cannot be measured.

It's why the muzz want 'em destroyed. And much of the left is fine with that. It's been done before, the library of Alexandria was famously destroyed back in the day by you-know-who and for the same reasons. Then as now the world sat by and did nothing, although there was arguably not a lot more that could be done at the time. Certainly there were efforts made later on to put things to rights but it was too little, too late and what was attempted was badly executed. Truth is it was simply not within their means.

We don't have that excuse today. We need to get going on this, and if not now, then when the hell is it gonna be?
Honestly Bubs where would you move our relics that is safe? The USA is full of God hating socialist and it's just a matter of time before they destroy all of America's history. Even the so called godly in this country could care less when they see Catholic churches burn. No I don't think trying to save it by moving it is going to work, those who hate Catholics and our history will never stop until it's all burnt down....or we burn them down.
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Today, all decent people are Catholic and mourn the loss of this great symbol of faith.

Paris is Notre Dame, Notre Dame is Paris, and today, Paris is burning.


Attacks on Christian churches in France

From 10 days ago
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/880406...tian-heritage/

From last month

https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2019...d-in-one-week/

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/deacon...e-in-one-week/

From Feb

https://aleteia.org/2019/02/16/strin...-of-eucharist/


Notre Dame is the "Twin Towers" of France.
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What a crying shame - of course this isn't a muzzle arson attack!
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Honestly Bubs where would you move our relics that is safe? The USA is full of God hating socialist and it's just a matter of time before they destroy all of America's history. Even the so called godly in this country could care less when they see Catholic churches burn. No I don't think trying to save it by moving it is going to work, those who hate Catholics and our history will never stop until it's all burnt down....or we burn them down.
The US ain't France, Germany, Holland or England. Yet. Maybe in a vault somewhere in Greenland. Maybe the Russians can help us out, the muzz ain't conquered that place yet. Somewhere they can be preserved. Somewhere else in other words. Pretty much anywhere would be better than where they are.

The muzz and so many other third world shitholes whine and complain about how the 'west' has ripped them off, stealing their culture and artifacts for their museums. Truth is their artifacts have in all cases been destroyed when not relocated and preserved by western civilization. It's a pity the west didn't relocate the riches of Egypt and Persia to the London museum in their entirety but of course we weren't around to do it. The world can only speculate as to what was lost based on those few things that have been rescued from their native shitholes by 19th century westerners. And it's worth noting that by and large the west has categorized, publicised and made virtually all of this stuff accessible to the public and by documenting it, attempted to ensure it won't be lost to the world like so much other history has been.

Don't be like J and so many others around, using the odds against success as an excuse to do nothing at all. That sort of thinking is what got us here, and it's the one thing that will ensure failure. And in this case the thing that will consign generations yet unborn to suffer the coming dark age.
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Trying to see pics and such and all you get is this twitter shit. It truly is a tragedy. It survived for centuries virtually unscathed. Even Hitler didn't do anything to Paris after we bombed them into oblivion.

Wanted to take my wife to see it as she's never been to Paris. Hell it was going to going to shit with all the Albanians last time I was there. Can't say but it sure is suspicious. The renovations were very minor if it was only a few million to have something like this happen
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The US ain't France, Germany, Holland or England. Yet. Maybe in a vault somewhere in Greenland. Maybe the Russians can help us out, the muzz ain't conquered that place yet. Somewhere they can be preserved. Somewhere else in other words. Pretty much anywhere would be better than where they are.

Don't be like J and so many others around, using the odds against success as an excuse to do nothing at all. That sort of thinking is what got us here, and it's the one thing that will ensure failure. And in this case the thing that will consign generations yet unborn to suffer the coming dark age.
Well I am deeply offended you compared me to j, how insulting. Look Bubs, it's like our world, do we hide our guns or fight? Do you hide our relics or defend them? The dark ages are here if we hide either one.
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Well I am deeply offended you compared me to j, how insulting. Look Bubs, it's like our world, do we hide our guns or fight? Do you hide our relics or defend them? The dark ages are here if we hide either one.
Yep, is pretty much my point.
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Trying to see pics and such and all you get is this twitter shit. It truly is a tragedy. It survived for centuries virtually unscathed. Even Hitler didn't do anything to Paris after we bombed them into oblivion.

Wanted to take my wife to see it as she's never been to Paris. Hell it was going to going to shit with all the Albanians last time I was there. Can't say but it sure is suspicious. The renovations were very minor if it was only a few million to have something like this happen
Yep. From this one can conclude that based on his actions at least Hitler valued civilization much more so than your average muzz does. Or your average modern-day Parisian for that matter, given how they buy into all this cultural relativistic bullshit. Just something to consider.
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Yep. From this one can conclude that based on his actions at least Hitler valued civilization much more so than your average muzz does. Or your average modern-day Parisian for that matter, given how they buy into all this cultural relativistic bullshit. Just something to consider.
You got what I was laying down. England, I wouldn't go back there again ever since my my last trip about 4 years ago and it wasn't on my dime. The entire culture has turned to shit including the so called Brits that are below 50 yrs old or so. I was always treated well by the real frogs. Very polite and didn't give a damn about me being American. The rest of that shit they let in is another story.
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First of all the French brits or any European citizen didn't Ley anyone in - the ds gubments did! That was done by all the ds/neocons that rose to positions of power over there - we here, got lucky and we still can't build the wall, so lets not go be arrogant and think we are better than the Euros - we are no different. Pride comes before a fall, so stay mindful, and vigilant!
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yes, Europe was warned and they snubbed our warning, they are getting what they deserve for telling us to F-off

denial of God, political correctness and multiculturalism are the three fastest ways to destroy a decent western culture

if I was to wager …….. Vegas would put odds of this fire as arson by muzzie, you would not be able to get favorable odds to make it worth putting your money on the line

like it or not there is only one way to begin saving our Republic and Western Culture in general, Genocide. Wipe out Islam. Yeah I know everyone will dog pile on me for speaking truth but truth hurts real bad.
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yes, Europe was warned and they snubbed our warning, they are getting what they deserve for telling us to F-off

denial of God, political correctness and multiculturalism are the three fastest ways to destroy a decent western culture

if I was to wager …….. Vegas would put odds of this fire as arson by muzzie, you would not be able to get favorable odds to make it worth putting your money on the line

like it or not there is only one way to begin saving our Republic and Western Culture in general, Genocide. Wipe out Islam. Yeah I know everyone will dog pile on me for speaking truth but truth hurts real bad.
Been saying that for years. One day I'll have a lot of company. When that happens it may or may not be too late but it will certainly be later than it should have been. They should have been burned off the planet on the afternoon of 9/11 at the very least.
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This Cathedral stood since 1350, thru thunderstorms, lightning stikes, and many Euro wars.

It took a construction crew in 2019, of so far, unidentified suspects, to burn the bitch to the ground, 20 minutes after work ceased.

As I can see there was absolutly no security on the job, after hours, to stop any unauthorized "parties" from climbing up the staging ladders to the top, carrying gasoline to incinerate the place.
I suspect that they were dressed as the normal workers were.

This Church, was an ICON of tremendous importance to the West, and a hated symbol of the Infidel who must be destroyed.

I blame the weak Frenchmen who will not do what has to be done.
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There are gothic cathedrals all over Europe. Notre Dame is probably the most famous, but from looking at picture books, I thought there were others that were more spectacular; maybe a little taller and narrow and mysterious.

Sometimes they would get destroyed in wars but I don't remember reading about one catching fire and burning up quickly like that on accident.
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France has had a long term problem with people burning their churches to the ground for a long time now.

Could this be an accident, sure.

Better "chance" it was burned on purpose.

If it was burned on purpose, by certain folks, all hell is about to break out in France.

It was not that far, from where 140 people were murdered.
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If it was burned on purpose, by certain folks, all hell is about to break out in France.
I disagree. Nothing will really happen.

They might rebuild or recreate if they have the money and the will to do it.
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I disagree. Nothing will really happen.

They might rebuild or recreate if they have the money and the will to do it.
I don't know Mebs, they were pretty attached to that Church, and France is already riled up.

But yes, anything or nothing is possible.
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Did they save the remains of Joan of Arc ?...




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France has had a long term problem with people burning their churches to the ground for a long time now.

Could this be an accident, sure.

Better "chance" it was burned on purpose.

If it was burned on purpose, by certain folks, all hell is about to break out in France.

It was not that far, from where 140 people were murdered.
If this turns out to be the case, then the Knights Templar should ride again.
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Yep, sometimes you are obscure on purpose. I saw the shrine to the Face that Lunched on a Thousand Ships. I think it was on a Carnival. None were from Troy
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yes, Europe was warned and they snubbed our warning, they are getting what they deserve for telling us to F-off

denial of God, political correctness and multiculturalism are the three fastest ways to destroy a decent western culture

if I was to wager …….. Vegas would put odds of this fire as arson by muzzie, you would not be able to get favorable odds to make it worth putting your money on the line

like it or not there is only one way to begin saving our Republic and Western Culture in general, Genocide. Wipe out Islam. Yeah I know everyone will dog pile on me for speaking truth but truth hurts real bad.
Well then kokodog, from a neocon point of view - who would that genocide actually benefit? - you'd be wise to think that one through! It seems you are just responding from a statists perspective! If you were actually paying attention, the last 18 years, you'd at least recognize that any 'Official' story - is just that, a STORY!
I don't disagree tho', it was likely arson - and is the last thing that the French chapter of the ds., wants - and it still may go that way. That the French haven't burnt, and gone down the path to merry hell, already - is a testament to their good Christian nature.
When the USA got attacked on 911 - it went off and did create merry hell, didn't it? - from then'st came all the immigrancy to Europe, and here! Yes, hrc exacerbated circumstances further with Lybia, and the Ukraine - so blame gwb(a rethug), and did Obama (socialist pig dog) - and everyone who voted here, contributed to the policies of those motherfuckers - and you blame the citizens of Europe - phuckin smart!
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Well then kokodog, from a neocon point of view - who would that genocide actually benefit? - you'd be wise to think that one through! It seems you are just responding from a statists perspective! If you were actually paying attention, the last 18 years, you'd at least recognize that any 'Official' story - is just that, a STORY!
I don't disagree tho', it was likely arson - and is the last thing that the French chapter of the ds., wants - and it still may go that way. That the French haven't burnt, and gone down the path to merry hell, already - is a testament to their good Christian nature.
When the USA got attacked on 911 - it went off and did create merry hell, didn't it? - from then'st came all the immigrancy to Europe, and here! Yes, hrc exacerbated circumstances further with Lybia, and the Ukraine - so blame gwb(a rethug), and did Obama (socialist pig dog) - and everyone who voted here, contributed to the policies of those motherfuckers - and you blame the citizens of Europe - phuckin smart!

who would it benifit ? the entire world

after 9/11 any real response was so nutered that it in reality was wasted effort

politicians are the problem, you cannot fight a war if you do not allow your troops fight

and yes, I do blame the Europeans for being so lame
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Sorry - but I don't think you have thought it out fully - but that's ok!
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Sorry - but I don't think you have thought it out fully - but that's ok!
no, I thought it out, just ignoring your input
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To be certain if it wasn’t arson by some muzzie they are celebrating its demise.
Seems they were cheering as the Twins were falling too.......religion will be the death of us.
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To be certain if it wasn’t arson by some muzzie they are celebrating its demise.
Seems they were cheering as the Twins were falling too.......religion will be the death of us.

yes there are certain problems associated with all organized religions
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I read somebody already pledged 100 million towards rebuilding.

The frame of those gothic churches is like a forest of timber you can't see. I don't know where they will get the wood. Maybe they will use other methods for parts that are out of sight.

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To be certain if it wasn’t arson by some muzzie they are celebrating its demise.
Seems they were cheering as the Twins were falling too.......religion will be the death of us.
Only if we allow it to be. And if we do it's on us.
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Macron says they will rebuild it. With what? Prefab? Where will they find the skilled artisans alive today that can match the artistry and innovation that went into the design and construction of that marvelous edifice? I don't believe it can ever be duplicated. Besides, do they have enough time? I tend to think they may not. Events are moving rapidly and are even speeding up. The French government has allowed the barbarian into its very home as have other European countries. The fire service experience in me tends to think the fire was accidental, resulting from some carelessness of the remodeling crew. But it also asks the question as to how any determination as to cause can be made BEFORE the fire is extinguished and a through investigation can be completed! It can't! Besides, who can really believe anything the French government says... or any government for that matter? Totally unhelpful is the obvious joy being expressed by the islamic barbarian of the cathedrals destruction coupled with Christian church attacks in both France and Germany. None of this will end well.
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Church burnt down?

Holy smoke!

Someone had to say it.

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France has had a long term problem with people burning their churches to the ground for a long time now.

Could this be an accident, sure.

Better "chance" it was burned on purpose.

If it was burned on purpose, by certain folks, all hell is about to break out in France.

It was not that far, from where 140 people were murdered.
Yep. They French have learned from the British . They will fart in the goat-rapers general direction. That will make them very angry.

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