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Old November 19, 2017, 00:53   #1
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Hollywood holsters

Found some folks that make reproductions of movie rigs for your sixguns.

Nice stuff...


http://www.westernleatherholster.com...ovie-holsters/
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Old November 19, 2017, 01:24   #2
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Shane rig is on my list!

I already have the Jack Elam Rig from Once Upon a Time in the West, it is excellent!

My rig was from http://www.escortgunleather.com/ Bob made my holster & his work is top drawer.
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Old November 19, 2017, 02:36   #3
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I bought the johnny ringo a few years back its spot on. I had two holsters made for the belt and carry a tricked out Bob Munden ruger vaquero 44-40 and a ruger vaquero birdshead. Unfortunately the belt is a bit large now I need to get reworked.
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Old November 19, 2017, 09:41   #4
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I don't know if anyone here is into fast-draw shooting, but Alfonso makes some mighty fine leather for that purpose.
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Old November 19, 2017, 14:02   #5
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Thinking about buying Frank's rig from Once Upon a Time in the West. I have a Nickle Colt SAA just begging to have a good holster
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Old November 19, 2017, 18:55   #6
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Frank's Rig is exactly same as the Jack Elam rig except in black instead of the brown leather that Elam wore.
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Found some folks that make reproductions of movie rigs for your sixguns.

Nice stuff...


http://www.westernleatherholster.com...ovie-holsters/

That was a joy to look at holsters from movies past.
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Old November 20, 2017, 14:26   #8
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Some of the great holster makers of our time made the Originals, it's like owning a piece of history. Add to it a fine American made Colt and it's all class.
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Old November 21, 2017, 00:41   #9
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YES, the golden days of fast draw...really fun retrospective here..

http://gunsoftheoldwest.com/2014/10/...d/#image4_0004
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Old November 21, 2017, 00:57   #10
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The new black plastic guns are really boring to me. It's way more fun shooting a real COLT SAA plus you don't have to chase brass. Every shot is a trip through history from the Cowboys to General Patton. No they are not a combat gun in today's world but who cares when you are having fun.
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Old November 23, 2017, 21:44   #11
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We have one that's a bit interesting. Hollywood rig and paperwork that came off the original Gunsmoke set. Originally it came with a very clean 1907 vintage Colt SAA through a retired prop and stuntman who just couldn't live without a high end Griffen & Howe custom Mauser magnum we had at a show down south.

Apparently he was tight with James Arness who gave him the holster & gun belt. Story we got was it was one of number he had used on the show. The guy later populated it with an SAA he found at a shop.

anyways the vendor we moved the gun to had no interest in the leather or photos of Arness and the fella we took in in on the swap so we still have the article.
Pretty large gun belt with integral holster, beautiful shape. This one is serial #4 manufactured by the old "Pony Express" company marked as such for a 4.75" .45 SAA.
Somewhere I have my research on the company, sticks in my mind by the SN this one is somewhere in the later 50s ?
Basically the guy started building gun rigs for the studios and kept with it up into the late 60s or early 70s.

The Buscadero rigs were largely made in Tj by a couple Mexican shops

truth is though in reality what was actually in common use in the 19th century was nothing like the inventions of Hollywood prop shops
for example Hickock loathed leather, usually he just slid either one or two of his Navy Colts in a brightly colored silk sash.
Hardin was known for having leather pockets built into his coats he lubed with beeswax.

Have a half decent collection of period leather I have accumulated. It was dirt cheap years ago. One telling observation I can offer is that concealed carry was more common than a gun belt, have quite a number of quite early shoulder rigs going right back into the percussion era, not much in custom gun belts. Great Granny whose own dad Copped in Deadwood at the time Hickock was backshot was real plain about it. Would you expose your pistol to the elements ?
If it was on your hip your sidearm was covered with a flap, otherwise it was under your arm pit.

Much of the problem was you had Photographers with studios packed full of prop ware. These were popular with Cow trash. They rode into town and played Mr. Dressup as my Grand dad explained to me. In short, totally staged shit guys.

Other relatives ran a dray line between Fort Abraham Lincoln & Deadwood in the 1870s. They ran into "hostile" injuns all the time running freight to the Gold fields. All they carried was a double barrel percussion shotgun. Indians never bothered them except to ride up an want to trade their meat for whatever. Nope, no bloodshed. Family lore is the Souix were damn peaceful but they loved a good meal and to party.

anyways there is a ton of made up history out there
most of the gun rigs I have seen or owned were largely cut down full flap military production
Have several extremely rare Sentinel Butte ND and Miles City MT rigs from the late 19th century. Real sensibly designed for horse back carry.

Some great period leather in a few city museums in eastern MT as well

If there is any interest I can explain how shoulder rigs were mostly made back then as there were several basic types but none of them were at all like the Hollywood versions. For example it wasn't until the 1890s anyone thought of a body strap
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Have several extremely rare Sentinel Butte ND and Miles City MT rigs from the late 19th century. Real sensibly designed for horse back carry.
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Old November 25, 2017, 22:05   #13
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I'll see what I can dig out. Most of our accumulation is bagged, tagged and packed in tubs to prevent further degradation.
The famed Miles City leather actually started out in Sentinel Butte North Dakota...a mostly ghost town just west of Medora near the Montana border. It died out shortly after the blizzards of the 80s, good share of folks moved west to either Webaux or Miles City which was the Hog Ranch district outside Fort Miles during the Indian Wars.

By the 1884 ? Al Furstnow was a major leather worker in Miles City, run up into the 40s mostly doing saddles and other tack. I used to by vintage tack here in MN and set up at the annual Bucking Horse sale in Miles City through the 90s. A well abused Furstnow saddle I snagged for $50 or less here was $500 or more there. Teddy Roosevelt books and portraits were serious money too.

Truth was though the early shit came out of Sentinel Butte ND, like late 1870s ?

Saddle makers really didn't offer gun rigs as a stock product, it was mostly an as requested basis in Cow country raub. Everything was very individual.
Something else to get a grip on is most saddle tramps could never afford a Colt SAA, even getting money up to buy a Winchester or Marlin lever gun was tough. It was borderline slave labor.
Handguns ?
Think more in terms of cheap Forhand & Wadsworth bulldogs, crap like that or obsolete cap & ball revolvers well past 1900

Was funny as hell
back in the 1980s a few dealers I knew were buying heavily out of New England and the South East...Winchesters & Colts as you could easily double your investment bringing them to the wild west and then selling them from there
Tons of "Cowboy" guns made the regional transition as coastal collectors just assumed a lever or single action gun say being sold at the Cody WY shows just had to be previously possessed by a Cow Puncher, thus valued at a serious premium raub.

Back in the 90s I was importing tons of antique levers out of Canada, selling in ND & MT. Back then a $100 73' was an easy and quick $700. Moved 100s of junkers over that decade. Sold/traded a ton at the big Tulsa show too. Whitneys, Marlins, Bullards, Burgess guns as well as importing from Australia. Great business in the day but that time has sadly passed.

anyways I pretty much chuckle at the current cowboy culture as fake
used to show up at their early events in the 90s just to listen to the mass whining that my original Double Action Merwin & Hurberts were not "period correct"
same dick heads were competing with damn Coil Sprung Rugers
One time at an early shotgun competition I was removed from the line over using an original Burgess folding pump gun. Had it slung in the factory shoulder rig, snapped it into action firing a few rounds nearly as fast as a Benelli. Easy to do once you understand that gun. The howl was massive by the fakey "cowboy" faggots

I tend to detest the whole re-enactor crowd as a bunch of borderline queers
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Old November 27, 2017, 18:41   #14
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Looking hard at custom holsters again. Fine leather is something a fine revolver needs. There sure is a lot to choose from.
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Old December 15, 2017, 01:08   #15
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I know I'm late to the party but you need to check out the book "Packing Iron: Gun Leather of the Frontier West". A beautiful coffee table book on holsters.
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SASS always has been real bad about the what I say not what is correct. They will not let me shoot my original 1878 Colt. NCOWS was way better when it was formed but has gotten far away from the way it was founded. Things have gotten so bad I don't shoot at any of them anymore. And I have all of the original firearms.
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Old December 16, 2017, 11:31   #17
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SASS always has been real bad about the what I say not what is correct. They will not let me shoot my original 1878 Colt. NCOWS was way better when it was formed but has gotten far away from the way it was founded. Things have gotten so bad I don't shoot at any of them anymore. And I have all of the original firearms.
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Pretty much all of the shooting games end up far different than founded. Good thing is you don't have to play their games to enjoy your stuff. Old west was great fun when it started out, it wasnt about winning back then, it was about being with like minded people having fun. When the gamesters get involved it turns into an equipment race with the least recoilling gun they make.

I believe the original intent was to reflect in the shooting of old guns what the west was like. It turned into what does it take to win.

I could go into a rant on IPSC or any of the other shooting sports but really at this point who cares.
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