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Old March 16, 2018, 10:09   #601
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Does anyone have:

1). Dates of FN contracts to South African

2). Production dates for PRETORIA R1’s?

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Old March 16, 2018, 10:47   #602
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Does anyone have:

1). Dates of FN contracts to South African

2). Production dates for PRETORIA R1’s?

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Here's what I've got from researching the subject years ago. I might have more if I can find it;

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The History of the 7.62mm FN-F.A.L. Rifle in South Africa
(Notes on Magazines and Slings included below - Click on images to enlarge)

This history will, of necessity, be rather vague in some respects as the South African government has not, at this stage, seen fit to release or give access to the archives of Armscor, the state armaments procurement agency. This has stunted detailed research and is preventing the publishing of the full story. Any documentation which you, the reader, may have which would assist in filling in some of the gaps will be greatly appreciated.

Overview: Possibly as early as the very late 1950s negotiations were started with Fabrique Nationale of Liege, Belgium to produce a quantity of these rifles for the South African Defence Force. The first batch (or batches) of rifles arrived in the SA in 1960 or 1961 and were of the early M1 type (no flash-hider and standard gas plug). Later deliveries, presumably as a result of ‘lessons learnt’, were of the FAL type with 22mm grenade launcher flash-hider and gas plug, some being a unique variation of the folding stock ‘Para’ model as well as the FN-FALO or ‘Heavy Barrel FN’. All the FN made contract rifles procured for the SA Defence Force were identified, as was common practice at the time, with the purchasing nation’s coat-of-arms roll-stamped onto the right hand side of the magazine well. Additional smaller quantities of non- contract models were purchased by, and for, the SA Police and the SA Prisons.

At some time in the early 1960s an agreement was signed between FN and Armscor whereby the FAL would be produced, under licence, by LIW (Lyttleton Ingeneurswerke), an Armscor/Denel subsidiary located outside Pretoria. The SA produced version was officially named the ‘R1’ and the first rifle produced, serial numbered 000001, was presented to the then Prime Minister, Dr Hendrik Verwoerd, by Armscor and is now on view at the National Museum of Military History in Johannesburg. This rifle is atypical of regular R1 production as it boasts a wooden stock and leather sling and there is some evidence that it was not assembled from 100% SA manufactured components. No Para or heavy barrel versions were produced in South Africa.

R Blake Stevens’ excellent series of books “The FAL Rifle” (published by Collector Grade Publications) has done much to educate and enthuse people around the world in the lore of the FAL. He is to be highly commended for that.

A Long and Useful Life: The introduction of the ‘FN’ (as it was simply known in those days) into the South African Defence Force meant the phasing out of the .303 No4Mk1/2 rifles then in use. Starting with in the National Service training units, the rifles were issued as they became available but it was many years before all Commando units received their quota of the new rifles.

All arms of the Defence Force (Army, Air force, Navy and Medical Services) as well as the South African Police and Prisons Service welcomed the advent of the FN and it was to serve them through many busy years and on many fronts. It was the standard issue weapon of all infantry units at the start of the border wars and internal strife until replaced by the R4 (a locally manufactured version of the Israeli Galil 5.56mm assault rifle) in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s. It excelled on the shooting range in local and international competition and won a very special place in the hearts of all servicemen who used it.

The End (or nearly so!): When the FN was finally declared obsolete by the SA Army in the late 1990s they were withdrawn from service and placed in war reserve until finally the vast majority of remaining stock (206,454 of various models to be exact) were destroyed in Operation Mouflon during 2001. Attempts to preserve a cross-section of these models for posterity were vigorously pursued but to no avail.

A few FNs continue to serve to this day in the SA Navy (where it is still the official small-arm) and the SA Police who favour the folding stock ‘Para’ version for highway patrol duties.

The National Parks Board (specifically in the Kruger National Park) have a large inventory of FAL/R1rifles, including Para models, which were given to them by the SANDF and are now carried regularly on patrol by the game scouts/guards and account for their share of poachers.

The Future: All models of the FN-FAL are eagerly sought by collectors and shooters in South Africa both for their shooting qualities as well as for their historical significance. It is not known how many of these fine rifles with a South African flavour have survived the ravages of time (and an unfeeling and uncaring government) but those few are rightly treated with great respect and affection.
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Old March 16, 2018, 10:49   #603
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continued;

As this research progresses, images and more detailed descriptions of the various models will be added to this site.

Some Technical Details: General points and tips on FN-FAL type rifles used in South Africa –

1. The earliest contract rifles were supplied with grey glass-fibre hand-guards. Later deliveries were of black fibreglass and subsequently (incl. All SA production) of black ‘cycolac’ (plastic).

2. All contract rifles were delivered with wooden (walnut?) butts and all SA made rifles (with the exception of ser. # 000001) are believed to have been produced with black cycolac butts.

3. All contract and SA made rifles were built on ‘Type 1’ receivers – some SAP and Prisons purchases (and possibly some Army sniper models) were of the later ‘Type 2’ and ‘Type 3’ receivers.

4. The Para models were requested and supplied with the standard FAL 200m – 600m rear
sight (rather than the usual ‘L’ type sight). This change necessitated the re-shaping of the top of the hinge-block and the relocation of the rear sling-swivel to the bottom of the L/H side of the hinge-block. These three minor features are unique and can be used to identify SA contract Para rifles and/or parts.


Left side view of Belgian made SA contract 'Para' FAL showing unique arrangement of rear sight (200 - 600 metre sight rather than normal 'L' type Para version), hinge block modified at top to accept sight and the position of the rear sling swivel (relocated to bottom of block so as not to interfere with sight).


5. The FN-FALO (heavy barrel FN) rifles were supplied with wooden furniture - butts, heavily grooved fore-ends and smooth carry handles (some black, grooved cycolac carry handles have been noted – but only as replacement parts).

6. Most (if not all) R1s were proofed and marked with a ‘P’ within an oval located on the
receiver in front of the magazine well.

7. Large quantities of spares of all types (including crested upper receivers) and tools were part of the early FN contract purchases.

List of known variants used by the SADF (excluding SA Police and Prisons)

1. M1 – SA Crest, wood butt, steel butt plate (no butt trap), grey glass-fibre fore-end, no flash-hider, bayonet lug, M1 bayonet, .303 webbing type sling, std gas plug.

2. FN-FAL - SA Crest, wood butt, steel butt plate (no butt trap) grey or black glass-fibre fore-end, 22mm flash-hider, tube bayonet, .303 type sling, Zulu grenade sight/gas plug

3. FN-FAL Sniper – Same as 2) but with 3.6X OIP mnfr ‘scope (with leather lens covers joined with canvas covered rubber) in off-centre flexible rings, wooden cheek-piece, adjustable 2” wide web & leather sling

4. FN-FAL or R1 Factory Cut-Away (known to exist but no samples of either seen).

5. FN-PARA – SA Crest, Folding butt, black plastic fore-end, 22mm flash-hider, unique SA rear sight/sling swivel arrangement (as mentioned above), .303 type sling, Zulu grenade sight/gas plug.
6. FN-FALO - SA Crest, wood butt with steel butt-plate and shoulder tab (smooth, unlike pressed Israeli version), short grooved wood fore-end, smooth wood carry handle, forged bipod, .303 webbing type sling, std gas plug.

7. FN-FAL Sniper – FN marked receiver, Kahles ZF69 Scope in Mannlicher SSG type QD rings, 10rd Mag, straight line wood butt with rubber recoil pad, black plastic fore-end, 22mm flash-hider, vinyl covered wood transit case & accessories/tools, .303 type sling, Zulu grenade sight/gas plug.

8. First ‘R1’ – Ser # 000001 in War Museum, Johannesburg. No Crest, Wood butt etc. same as 2., leather sling. Almost certain that not all parts were SA made.

9. R1 (early catalogs list as R3) – No Crest, Black plastic butt and fore-end, “R1 7.62mm” markings, 22mm flash-hider, tube bayonet, R4 type wide sling (but with wider end straps), Zulu grenade sight/gas plug.

10. Semi-Auto R1 – Same as 9) but with semi auto safety (sky blue in colour) riveted to prevent removal/replacement. Shorter locking plate (necessitated by permanent safety) which clips into notch cut inside lower. ‘K’ (for ‘Kommando’ use) prefix to serial number - numbers noted were all in the 5XXXXX range and in a smaller font than normal. It is believed some 30,000 were produced and all (?) were converted back to standard full-auto rifles in the late 1970s.

11. R1 (61 Base Workshop FTR) – Standard FN-FAL or R1 receiver, new black plastic furniture, new barrel, all metal (including mag) with brown gun-coat finish, R4 type wide sling (but with wider end straps).

12. R1 Sniper FTR – 1990s rebuild with Tasco (?) commercial scope etc. (unseen so further details unknown but known to exist).

13. SASSA (South African Service Shooting Assoc) ‘Specials’ – R1 presented each year to the winner of the National Service Shooting Championships. Standard R1 with custom serial # eg. ‘1979/1’ denoting the winner (Roy Knott of Rhodesia who still has his) in 1979.

14. Short Rifle for Bushman Bns – Standard FAL/R1 with butt shortened – modification done at unit level and 61BW in the 1970s.

15. Sterile – Standard R1 with NO MARKINGS other than serial #

16. Israeli FAL – Standard Israeli FAL with metal/wood hand-guards, ‘L’ safety etc. Known to have been issued in SWA and also supplied to Rhodesia. Source unknown.
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Great info there! Thanks for sharing! If only the records for serialization dates were release :/
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Gas plug

Does anyone have a photo of a Rhodesian R1 that is in service without a grenade sight type gas plug?
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I'd have to dig, but I have seen photos of FN's with the combo device and the standard gas plug.
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Standard gas plug

Just curious if Pretoria ever made standard gas plugs. And how to identify the origins of that part.
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Great info there! Thanks for sharing! If only the records for serialization dates were release :/
You're welcome! There is a bunch of old threads with great info about SA and Rhodie FAL's, but I don't know how hard they'd be to find.

Somebody asked about a First Contract FN made South African FAL, and this is what the trigger housing looks like (if the photobucket thing works). Mine;

http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/...MS5qcGc=/?ref=


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The below is a Second Contract SA FAL.
Sorry 'bout that.
The pretty pictures came from someplace else. I don't remember where I found them.

http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/Ho...right.jpg.html

http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/Ho...0left.jpg.html

http://s1152.photobucket.com/user/Ho...0size.jpg.html
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I'd have to dig, but I have seen photos of FN's with the combo device and the standard gas plug.
Not all of the rifles that they acquired came with grenade sight gas plugs, and I'm sure not all of those were able to be fitted after acquisition with the gas plugs.
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Thanks for the info. Just curious if all the acquisitions from South Africa (Pretoria made) had the grenade sight gas plug? Any idea if the standard gas plugs are marked with a proof stamp?
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Corrected my post above for accuracy, and to add a full length photo of a Second Contract SA FAL.
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Just got a nice Rhodie buttstock (and a saffer one) for $40 from Ernst Armory.
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you got really lucky, because I ordered four stocks from Earnst and all four were sanded and chalky looking. I am going to have to wet sand them to get some sort of life back in them. As they are it looks like they used 100-150 grit paper so they have have lines in them.
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you got really lucky, because I ordered four stocks from Earnst and all four were sanded and chalky looking. I am going to have to wet sand them to get some sort of life back in them. As they are it looks like they used 100-150 grit paper so they have have lines in them.
In the comments box on my order I asked that they send me "BPFU" looking ones.
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What do you suppose they interpreted "BPFU" to mean?
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Battle pick field up, of course.
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I missed the boat on that BFPU.


On another note and I have nothing to do with this other then I dont need to buy it. THERE is an Imbel receiver ZA on GB 755719860 Another reason I dont need this rifle is that I am putting together a really nice matching Imbel ZA rilfe kit that I also bought.

I also just bought (not received yet) a Century built RA. The pictures in the listing where out of focus, but the grenade sight caught my eye and although it was fuzzy it looked to be marked on the right side, so I called them. I asked what markings where on the left side of the lower, and he started out by saying that the selector was "R" marked, then he said RSA and a serial number. I asked what about the other side and he said it has a serial number too and then he said RA???. My next question can you see the bolt closed in the ejection port, if so what do you see there and he said another serial number but it doesnt match. I asked what's on the bold and he said RA??? but it does match the other RA.

I hit the buy it now button and now I'm waiting for my FFL to call for pick-up.
GB 738058072. I am really hoping for a S. African barrel which appears to be full length. I have read that they built some RA kits and simply threaded and pinned a brake on them, so I am really hoping that this is a whole kit


I know a lot of people don't care for CAI built guns, but I am ok with them if they run.

I recently got back into these rifles I have been circling around the poor house looking for the door ever since. AS soon as the dust settles I will be seeing what I can put together. After that I will be liquidating the extra bits and pieces, so that someone else can get what they need. I will say thanks to the members here and other sources that I have amassed a stock pile of stuff.

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Oh good, I was afraid it was something nasty. Usually is when it ends with "FU".
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I missed the boat on that BFPU.

On another note and I have nothing to do with this other then I dont need to buy it. THERE is an Imbel receiver ZA on GB 755719860 Another reason I dont need this rifle is that I am putting together a really nice matching Imbel ZA rilfe kit that I also bought.
This first one has been mentioned here in another thread. Doesn't look like anything special to me. An argument could be made that it's worth the opening bid stripped down for parts but as a reserve auction it's not going to sell for the opening bid(and I wouldn't give that much).

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I also just bought (not received yet) a Century built RA. The pictures in the listing where out of focus, but the grenade sight caught my eye and although it was fuzzy it looked to be marked on the right side, so I called them. I asked what markings where on the left side of the lower, and he started out by saying that the selector was "R" marked, then he said RSA and a serial number. I asked what about the other side and he said it has a serial number too and then he said RA???. My next question can you see the bolt closed in the ejection port, if so what do you see there and he said another serial number but it doesnt match. I asked what's on the bold and he said RA??? but it does match the other RA.

I hit the buy it now button and now I'm waiting for my FFL to call for pick-up.
GB 738058072. I am really hoping for a S. African barrel which appears to be full length. I have read that they built some RA kits and simply threaded and pinned a brake on them, so I am really hoping that this is a whole kit
On the rifle you bought,.....well, write back with what you find once you receive it. You're right, the pics are kinda vague and the description isn't any better. You're on the right track with the RA numbers, R selector and grenade sight, but it looks like everything has been freshly parkerized so you'll lose a lot of detail. The stock/grip/handguards are all Century replacement parts in Austrian StG pattern(and not good). You'll want to replace that anyway if you're cloning an SA/Rhodie build. Hope for the best on the barrel,.....it could be anything. Hopefully you've got a good receiver(Imbel)but I can't be sure of that from the pics or the described markings. I suspect the "RSA" marking on the lower is actually the SRA selector markings, not Republic of South Africa if that's what you're hoping.
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The upper looks like a CAI upper from pix. Just hope it's a CA prefixed serial. From the century R1A1 uppers that I've seen with CA prefix, they all have had proper feed ramps and run like a top. The magwell is a little tight but that's about my only complaint.
btrapr1 might get lucky and it will have a SA bbl, mine had what appeares to be a US made bbl of unknown origin.
I purchased the R1A1 last year off GB and the gas piston was froze up & headspace was out. Replaced gas piston, gas tube, locking shoulder, & furniture(with Imbel) until I found proper set.

Good luck btrapr1, I hope you got a good one.
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For all you Rhodie freaks

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Having an all matching kit built

Big question is which receiver to use? R1 DSA = expensive but 99% sure that it is forged. Or the cast cost effective Coonan R1 with a custom matching serial number? Can I get some outside perspective. Not really sure the DSA is worth the $400 premium, just saying.

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I built mine on a coonan, she runs like a sewing machine. No problems what so ever. With the build or the function. There are light machining marks on the lighting cuts on the magwell, but they don’t bother me a bit. The rest of the rifle is heavily pooped w/ original paint. I don’t have the guts to paint the receiver, I’m afraid it’ll look bad or won’t match.
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........I’m afraid it’ll look bad or won’t match.
That's the beauty of the Rhodie camo,......when it looks bad it does match.
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That's the beauty of the Rhodie camo,......when it looks bad it does match.
Exactly. Paint away. AFeod. If it looks not to your liking just redo it. The bonus to this is you keep adding a nice background base layer each time you start over ......
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Big question is which receiver to use? R1 DSA = expensive but 99% sure that it is forged. Or the cast cost effective Coonan R1 with a custom matching serial number? Can I get some outside perspective. Not really sure the DSA is worth the $400 premium, just saying.

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If you can stand the carrier gap use a Coonan, if you can still order one. It will function perfectly once built and you'll save good money. Their metrics still build well by most accounts, unlike their last number of Brits. Best advice is to put up a WTB ad for an older part, or, buy a rifle built on one and part it out, recoup your funds by selling off the kit and keep the receiver.

In a post above it was commented that there are machine tool marks in the mag well. It's my opinion that these are actually desirable because it makes the piece look more authentic. If one does a search for FAL images, by far and large most original factory built receivers show machining marks. They weren't baby's butt smooth like most domestic receivers found today and the marks show an attitude of function over appearance. I like some marks in my receivers.
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Big question is which receiver to use? R1 DSA = expensive but 99% sure that it is forged. Or the cast cost effective Coonan R1 with a custom matching serial number? Can I get some outside perspective. Not really sure the DSA is worth the $400 premium, just saying.

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is your parts kit matching #s?
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Yes it is matching.
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Exactly. Paint away. AFeod. If it looks not to your liking just redo it. The bonus to this is you keep adding a nice background base layer each time you start over ......
Next time I’m over at genethepoolcleaner’s house I’ll paint her up. Just the receiver though. I’d like to keep it as original as possible. She’s a scrubbed r1 with all kinds of RA electro pencil serial#’s. He’s got one of saigimatix paint kits with a lil left over. Then a distress. Pics to follow!
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Old April 03, 2018, 17:07   #630
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Well my wallet, and some creditors are sure happy that I jumped on the S. African Pipe Line. Ive been adding steel piped instruments and riding my wallet for weeks now.

I want to give a shout out to all of you here who helped me get some of my pieces together.

I got the GB Century built rifle and I am very happy. The barrel is not marked at all but it had a blind rivet and threads and LH threads. It is a UM stamped lower with RA markings, "R" stamped safety, grenade sight, RA marked bolt carrier. I have added a UM marked 7/67 (July 1967) stamped African long stock, an Imbel NBC handguard. As you can see from the photos it also sports my matched Sherman Williams oil based paint (that took over a week to dry- slopped on carelessly with brush). I took a RA stock and grip to my local Sherman Willaims and am very happy with the results. ***The mag in the photo is real Rhody and as you can see my colors are super close YES it is a CA Century upper..havent had time to shoot- feed ramps look ok. The furniture set was all black- the paint is all my color matched oil paint. I will be adding a second coat and blending again to achieve the look that I want.
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This photo shows TWO RA lowers (outer) with real Rhodie stock/grips, and one painted ZA lower with real Rhodie stock and grip in the middle with Three African barrels. THe RA lower on the right is the stock and grip used for the color match. The lighting and picture doesnt do it justice- the colors are super super close and look the same to the eye as the originals.

I will be switching the far right stock over to the ZA lower which is in the middle because the ZA lower and right hand stock both have that TAN color on them, but not until after I go back to Sherman Williams and get the TAN color duplicated.
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Hope you don't mind,....I shrunk them down to look at them and figured I might as well post them back up smaller. Looks great.











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Very nice builds! Now I know where all the Rhodesian kits are hiding.

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Very nice builds! Now I know where all the Rhodesian kits are hiding.


LMAO, and you thought they were in my garage...


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LMAO, and you thought they were in my garage...
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If you ever want to declutter that garage...

And btrapr1 those are great looking rifles!
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Kev, don't be afraid to slop that paint on. It looks way too thin.
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This one is a work in progress, waiting for paint to completely cure before weathering.

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This one is a work in progress, waiting for paint to completely cure before weathering.

It looks nice the way it is. Is the pooh paint on the furniture original ?

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This one is a work in progress, waiting for paint to completely cure before weathering.

Looks damn good!
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This one is a work in progress, waiting for paint to completely cure before weathering.

love it

Specs on the build?

Bolt56, the only thing I would change would be pulling the paint off the carrier. Other than that, nice set (some would argue for the gas block too, but doesnt bother me much and I have had an original with a little paint on the hinge)
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Hope you don't mind,....I shrunk them down to look at them and figured I might as well post them back up smaller. Looks great.




Looking good! As noted already, I would take the paint off the bolt carrier. Paint job looks very good - reminds me of the paint on mine.
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It looks nice the way it is. Is the pooh paint on the furniture original ?
Paint on butt & hgs is original. I painted upper/lower, bbl, & pg.

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Bolt56, the only thing I would change would be pulling the paint off the carrier. Other than that, nice set (some would argue for the gas block too, but doesnt bother me much and I have had an original with a little paint on the hinge)
It's a CAI build purchased last year. Gas piston was froze up & HS was out. Replaced piston & tube and corrected HS, replaced furniture with Rhodie set a couple of weeks ago & painted to match as close as I could.
It is a typical CAI built R1A1 kit on CA prefix Century Upper. SA RA marked lower, bolt, BC. I don't remember any markings on the bbl but, from the sling swivel journal, I believe it to be US made.
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Im awaiting the delivery of a mystery kit

UPDATE____No luck...super nice G1 no Rhodesian indicators. Barrel is excellant- sharp, crisp, and frost, pits etc...Im happy


I know all of us on this thread are in search of the Rhody bits, and the suspense of this package's delivery has been on my mind for a few days. I sent this info to an avid Rhody member here, and did not wait for his evaluation. I do respect his assistance but the suspense is killing me.

I bought this kit for a few reasons, some of which you might agree. I did not want to push my luck asking/waiting for better pics, etc...
First someone has sanded the wooden ("B" stock?) and put poly or something on it, but the tan-ish or POOH colored stripes (appear to have been sanded down some in prep for the clear coat), could look different due to clear coating. I thought "TAN/POOH" who knows then I looked further at the pictures, and the next thing that caught me eye was although a bit smaller it sure looks like it might have RA ?? on the side of the carrier. Then probably due to lighting the side of the gas block and regulator appear a little blue-green?

My fingers are crossed, but I expect a let down upon its arrival but the mystery sure intrigues me. I know anything is possible- with arms runners and covert gov't backed operations- though probably in very small numbers. I am in no way an expert and I cannot see the serial number- could this have been a Portuguese FN?
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I found this picture and a few others where G1's are photographed in Rhodesia. THESE two appear to only have the bi-pod and muzzle device removed.[IMG][/IMG]

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Here are few photos of my South African R1 clone. Lower, bolt carrier and bolt are RA marked. Lower is SA, type 2 that's been sanitized; dimple left side below lever. Trigger also has sanitized dimple on left side. Handguards and wood stock are SA as well barrel which is marked 7.62mm.



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Im planning on taking a vacation in the near future perhaps I can help you sort out some of that iron/wood you've stacked up in your garage??
AND you thought I had them.
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Pl, I like that you went with the standard gas plug. Rifle looks great!
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Here are few photos of my South African R1 clone. Lower, bolt carrier and bolt are RA marked. Lower is SA, type 2 that's been sanitized; dimple left side below lever. Trigger also has sanitized dimple on left side. Handguards and wood stock are SA as well barrel which is marked 7.62mm.



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Here are few photos of my South African R1 clone. Lower, bolt carrier and bolt are RA marked. Lower is SA, type 2 that's been sanitized; dimple left side below lever. Trigger also has sanitized dimple on left side. Handguards and wood stock are SA as well barrel which is marked 7.62mm.



Dear lord that's an awesome clone! I'm a sucker for a Type 2 rec...and a Rhodie no less.
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