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Old May 14, 2018, 14:35   #1
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***better pics added***Israeli Armscorp FAL school me guys ****Pics added****

I am not a FAL guy but found the most gorgeous mint condition (light weight) Izzy today.
Hebrew marks.
Looks like sear is blocked by slug that has been welded and peened in.
SBL import Armscorp marked receiver. Says "Made in Israel".
Any idea of value?
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I will have pics later this week.

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Old May 15, 2018, 08:29   #2
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If unmolested the value is high, and depending on receiver type could be higher. $2k upwards depending....pics and markings will tell the story. I've owned a light and heavy SB in the odd type I/III configuration with magwell rollmarks. There are several iterations of the receivers and they were available in mulltiple patterns, some were sold as complete weapons...alas, bare receivers also leaked out in small numbers. The quality of the kit assembled on the gun also a factor.

With the limited description this is a close to nailed down as you'll get with me.
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Old May 15, 2018, 09:01   #3
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Yeah.. I should have pics late this evening.
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Old May 15, 2018, 13:09   #4
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The serial number should be in the 2XXX's!!!

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Old May 15, 2018, 17:41   #5
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Old May 15, 2018, 18:05   #6
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Sorry for piss poor qualuty.
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Old May 15, 2018, 18:08   #7
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Old May 15, 2018, 18:08   #8
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Whats up with these 2 lugs?
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Old May 15, 2018, 18:15   #9
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Barrel spacers for the heavy barrel hand guard fit the light barrel.
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Old May 15, 2018, 18:28   #10
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Barrel spacers for the heavy barrel hand guard fit the light barrel.
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Old May 15, 2018, 19:22   #11
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Barrel spacers for the heavy barrel hand guard fit the light barrel.
Except those aren't heavy barrel handguards, the spacers are just standard israeli lightbarrel spacers for standard lightbarrel handguards. A good thing, LB are harder to find and worth more than the HB furniture. It's an izzy thing, very nice setup there, receiver alone is $1500 ballpark. Depending on parts content looks like a $2000-$2600 riFAL. Very nice!
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Old May 15, 2018, 19:40   #12
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Tell me everything you need pics of oh masters of FAL wisdom. I want all the info I can get.
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As it should be, a mismatch kit parts to receiver and properly marked. Gives every indication that it's an unmolested rifle just as Armscorp assembled. I think value might be a bit high, but definitely clear $2k; right guy would likely give more, seasoned collector a bit less. I just sold a complete lt kit last year for $1350 by itself. Last lt barrel (nice) I had, but not a world record price either (for a light kit).

They never did get the engraving quite right on them. Always (seemingly) a little askew one way or the other. Yours definitely the first iteration Stuchiner Brothers (SBL) receiver and the sort of mixmaster "pattern" I/III with lightening cuts way different as compared Belgium ones. Both mine were identical in this aspect and I was told the SBL receivers were machined from leftover Belgian forgings but nothing to prove this. It'd be nicer if it used the vertical takedown lever, but I don't see a muzzle....they built them both lugged light barrel, and unlugged with combo device. I've seen a couple with lugged barrel AND threaded for combo device = but that may be something that happened in the intervening decade or two. I don't remember Armscorp ever offering them in ads that config.
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Old May 15, 2018, 23:24   #14
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Aeroscout get in here..................................
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Old May 16, 2018, 06:01   #15
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Except those aren't heavy barrel handguards, the spacers are just standard israeli lightbarrel spacers for standard lightbarrel handguards.
Yes, that^^^
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Pictures of the ejector block and sear block weld?
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Very nice rifle!!!

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Old May 16, 2018, 08:06   #18
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Pictures of the ejector block and sear block weld?
I think he's describing a blocked ejector body only...those I've had were never sear cut in the receiver finish at all. They didn't machine new ejector bodies...just recycled existing parts with the sear channel blocked in the body to insure ATF approval.

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The HB I had was less than one hundred serials higher. The LB way lower, like 1400 range. No definitive research possible on exact numbers imported...but I've never seen less than a 1200-1300 serial range in hand. I'd always wondered if they didn't begin serials in the 1000's? The LB variant is WAY more rare as compared the number of HBs I've seen in circulation with this receiver.

All this only my "on the road personal biologic memory unit" at work...no back up possible from where I am currently, sorry.


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Answered my own question yesterday while in storage...looked back, and at one point I owned 00943 Heavy Barrel...so much for biological memory function.

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Wow, they really went to a large rotograve marking on them by that late in the SBL's evidently. I've never seen one quite as heavily engraved. Mine used a rotary bit about 2/3rds the size. Same size font and all and really ugly up a receiver, but so be it. When I engraved the L1A1 I imported from Australia, I did so to the minimum size and depth and in an inconspicuous place a lot like the barrel markings on a Century LEO, that's my taste....Armscorp's was otherwise.

Looks 100% legit for what they built. Nice find for sure!

Funny too how a lot of what they built used pretty less than optimal lowers. Then a few years later absolute new lower halves, and complete upper halves were available for peanuts. Like $67.50 for a new complete lower and not that much more for a complete new upper minus receiver. They (Armscorp) did bastardize a bunch of them remarking fire positions and when they sold out of business a bunch of the nasty ground Izzy lowers suddenly started popping up too. Why the extreme shame for the Israeli markings I don't know either. Go figure.

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Any idea of year it was built?
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I am not a FAL guy but found the most gorgeous mint condition (light weight) Izzy today.
Hebrew marks.
Looks like sear is blocked by slug that has been welded and peened in.
SBL import Armscorp marked receiver. Says "Made in Israel".
Any idea of value?
Thanks guys.
I will have pics later this week.
This is the same one? https://www.gunbroker.com/item/771757137
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Old May 19, 2018, 19:16   #24
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Yes.. I listed it on Broker. As said.. I am not a FAL guy.
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Yes.. I listed it on Broker. As said.. I am not a FAL guy.
To add.... it is gorgeous and I bought because so. After research and with your help... I wish to pass onto a collector. If I keep it... I will shoot the piss out of it. And always be tempted to modify.
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What do the barrel markings/engraving under the handguards look like?


I only ask, as I had one that they not only neutered/remarked the lower, the used a die grinder in a similar effort on the barrel original engraving obliterating most of them. Just curious, and still wonder what advantage they saw in those efforts.
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They sure goobered up that lower. The Markings are nice and deep on the magwell unlike many.
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