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Old July 28, 2017, 18:38   #1
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Review - DSA - FAL Receiver - Type 1, 2, 3 & F

DSA Receiver Review
DSA quality has dropped significantly over the last several years, and their Brit cut L1A1s have been really bad. Yet when I post my comments and photographic evidence, there are still some DSA fanboys and paid shills who get their panties in a bind – maligning me for having the discourtesy to actually report my findings with photographic documentation.

So this is kindof a journal of my build notes. With 20 or so DSA receivers in for builds, I thought this a good time to document them consecutively, hopefully allowing for some comparisons that might reveal a pattern. I doubt DSA gives a shit, but if they do, perhaps my findings will motivate improvement.

Summary
The F marked type 1s are pretty good.
None of the Type 2s would accept a mag and had significant problems with locking shoulder..
The type 3 was really bad all around

I'll update this as I refine my notes and progress to testfire.

If a subsequent receiver had the same problem as the previous, I did not photograph it.

DSA 34704 Type 2 "F"
overall appearance: pass
receiver cover: fail – clearance front at 1-2 o'clock
e-block rear: pass
eblock at hinge: pass
e-block at rail: pass
bolt carrier to rail: pass. slight binding R side front, withn acceptable range
hinge hole: pass
hinge width: pass
Lockup: pass – barely. almost bottoms out
BHO: pass
mag catch screw: pass
mag catch: pass
mag fit: pass
ChH rail: pass
CH nut: pass
timing: pass 10:30
LS dogleg: fail. Tapers from .307 front to .291 rear. sand shoulder
LS hole: fail – undersize, flapsand.
LS: .255
b/bc fit: pass. – barely. Bolt binding on rail to left of ejector. ragged finish. file smooth
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa34704-01.jpg

DSA 34781 Type 1 "F"
ChH rail: pass
CH nut: pass
mag catch screw: pass
mag catch fit: pass
mag fit: pass
BHO: pass
hinge hole: pass
lockup: pass. e-block very slight friction, inconsequential, light binding last 1/8" stepped rails
timing: pass StG barrel 10 o'clock
b/bc fit: pass. Some binding at e-block, but e-block not proud. Forced it a few times, light filing, now smooth. Small irregularity front rails right before feed ramps – narrower.
LS dogleg: pass
LS hole: pass
LS: .256
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa34781-01.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa34781-03.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa34781-10.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa34781-11.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa34781-12.jpg

DSA 34844 Type 1 "F"
ChH rail: pass
CH nut: pass
mag catch screw: pass
mag catch: pass
BHO: pass
mag fit: pass
timing: pass (FN). Note: DSA G1 barrel hand timed to 12:00
hinge hole: pass
Lockup: pass
LS dogleg: pass
LS hole: pass
LS: .264
b/bc fit: pass. Some binding last 1/8" from step in rail. Dremel from front. New standard - always dremel these steps from front before even trying fit.
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa34844-10.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa34844-11.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa34844-12.jpg

DSA 35184 Type 3 non F
ChH rail: pass
CH nut: pass
mag catch screw: fail - won't even start – retapped
BHO: pass
mag catch: pass
hinge hole: pass
lockup: pass. Little binding at e-block
mag fit: epic fail – not even close to fitting. machine whole front and cut mag notch deeper
barrel threads: fail – too tight for my FN test barrel. Recut.
LS dogleg: pass
LS hole: pass - tight, but ok.
receiver note: excess metal left front – incompletely machined.
LS .256
b/bc fit: pass - step in rails created some binding (see above), but not significant – filed flat from front.

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35184-01.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35184-02.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35184-03.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35184-04.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35184-05.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35184-06.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35184-10.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35184-11.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35184-12.jpg

DSA 35614 Type 2 No F
ChH rail: pass
CH nut: pass
BHO: pass
mag catch screw: pass
Mag catch: pass
mag fit: fail – can be forced in. machine front of mag well and cut notch deeper
e-block: fail - significant gap
b/bc fit: fail. rails stepped up. clean up from front.
timing: pass FN and StG barrels. 10:30
LS dogleg: fail Dog leg undersize.
LS hole: fail. hole significantly undersize. Forces end of LS to cant forward. Flap sanded from left.
LS: 256"
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35614-10.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35614-11.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35614-12.jpg

DSA 35656 Type 2 non F
ChH rail: pass
CH nut: pass
mag catch screw: pass
BHO: pass
mag fit: fail - machined
hinge hole: pass, but very tight - flap sand
lockup: pass
e-block: fail, gap
mag fit: fail
timing: pass FN short 10:00 IMBEL 10:30
b/bc fit: pass - rail step but IMBEL b/bc still cleared. Removed anyway.

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35656-01.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35656-02.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35656-03.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35656-10.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35656-11.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35656-12.jpg

DSA 35660 Type 2 non F
ChH rail: pass
CH nut: pass
BHO: pass (tight)
e-block: fail (gap)
mag catch screw: pass
mag fit: fail. Mag well significantly undersize, machining front sill requires mags to be forced in. even a DSA 30rd mag would not fit! Pulled e-block, machined underside of rails, machined step in front of e-block. Mags now fit!
bho: pass (tight)
e-block: fail gap
timing: pass
lockup: pass
LS 256
LS dogleg: fail – way undersize, dogleg not parallel and way undersize – had to machine rather than just sanding dogleg a bit.
LS hole: fail - undersize on L

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35660-01.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35660-02.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35660-03.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35660-04.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35660-05.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35660-06.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35660-07.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35660-08.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35660-10.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35660-11.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35660-12.jpg


DSA35684 Type 2 no F
ChH rail: pass
CH nut: pass
mag catch screw: fail. retap
BHO: pass
mag catch: pass
mag fit – fail. machine mag well.
hinge hole: fail – flap sand
lockup: pass
timing: pass
b/bc fit: pass - slight binding on step in rails – file smooth
e-block: fail, gap
LS dogleg: fail, dogleg not parallel & undersize. – machine.
LS hole – fail, way undersize L side,
LS .257
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35684-01.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35684-02.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35684-10.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35684-11.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa35684-12.jpg

DSA 36170 Type 2 No F
ChH rail: pass
CH nut: pass
mag catch screw: fail – couldn't even start, retap.
BHO: pass
mag catch: pass
hinge hole: pass
lockup – fail - failed with IMBEL, DSA aluminum and NOS para lowers. receiver long.
hinge width: fail bad machining too tight
mag fit: fail - machine.
timing: pass - except for last 1/4 turn binding. chased. inconsequential
e-block: fail, gap
LS dogleg: pass
LS hole: FAIL way undersize, couldn't even start it
LS: .257
Para Carrier DSA: fail – no fp clearance. Could not install any bolt with FP installed. Ruined before pic, but it was just a single straight ramp, no bulge for the FP like on the IMBEL next to it. Opened up with 3/8" ball endmill.
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa36170-01.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa36170-02.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa36170-03.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa36170-04.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa36170-05.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa36170-06.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa36170-07.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa36170-08.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa36170-09.jpg
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa36170-10.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa36170-11.jpg
finished rifle: http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co...sa36170-12.jpg
(replica, still tweaking the camo)

DSA R1046 Type 1 "F"
e-block rear: pass – no gap
e-block at rail: pass – flush
e-block at hinge: pass – flush
hinge hole: pass
hinge width: pass
lockup: pass (sort-of) dust shield binds. Hinge area not rounded like on IMBEL, causing full contact with plate. I rounded it out. Not ready to bitch too much over this because some dust shield plates are higher than others, and as you can see (photo pending) there is still sometimes a light drag on a factory correct contour. Still, something that DSWA should look at (if they cared). Also, the receiver lock bottomed out. I will examine thi n reassembly to see if a different receiver lock will give the correct gap. It's possible the IMBEL receiver lock is excessively worn.
BHO: pass
mag catch: pass
mag catch screw: pass
mag fit: pass. (photo pending). There was a noticeable relief on this recevier to either side of the mag notch, extending to the top corners. This is the cut I add to receivers where the mag does not fit. So why is it not on the others? On the others it's a straight pass across the mag notch. This binds on the front top corners of the mag and prevents the rear from locking.
carry handle nut thread: pass
barrel thread: pass
barrel timing: pass (10:30)
bolt & carrier: pass Still has the step but on two bolts was not enough to bind. Removed anyway.
locking shoulder dogleg: pass (barely). Still slightly tapered from .305 to .291. .007 is a lot for an interference fit, so I sanded the locking shoulder instead of machining the recess.
locking shoulder hole: pass
locking shoulder size: fail (.249, tight close on .308)
receiver cover: pass


Next up will be the DSA L1A1 Brit pattern.
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Old July 28, 2017, 21:12   #2
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It sucks that there are not better options out there right now. I hate to say it but I just bought a DSA FAL SA58 FORGED British Pattern L1A1 Carry Handle Cut Receiver. That I hope you'll build me a L1A1 when I get back to the States in a month?
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Old July 28, 2017, 21:31   #3
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Thanks Mark for all the good info and the time you put in to.
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Old July 28, 2017, 22:10   #4
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Thanks Mark for all the good info and the time you put in to.
Second that. Too bad Dave won't take your advice and get his house in order. I'm in need of a Brit cut receiver, but don't want cast out of spec crap.
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As someone that machined stuff for several decades, this is simply piss-poor quality control and piss-poor machinists doing the machining.

And it's so simple to make some adjustments to the set-up, program and/or tooling.

Their machine shop just isn't paying attention to details. And the sad thing is people have been bitching about their receivers but DSA simply doesn't care. It seems that way, anyway........
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Mark....I know these issues have been found on receivers that came in with kits for builds.....but will repairing these receivers be a service you may provide in the future to owners of receivers in these serial ranges?
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Thanks for posting this review. What is really disconcerting is the problems you have identified look like they could have been lifted from my build journals. I have had these very same problems on almost all of my newer DSA non-F receivers. ........

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Mark....I know these issues have been found on receivers that came in with kits for builds.....but will repairing these receivers be a service you may provide in the future to owners of receivers in these serial ranges?
I don't know, because I have to do the build to find the problems. If it's already barreled, then I have to pull the barrel, which is more work than starting with a virgin build. So I don't know that I can do it for less than the cost of a complete build. It would start at the $350 rebuild price.

What has been helpful about doing them in sequence, and writing everything down (instead of just cursing, sputtering, and kicking the wall), is that now I can anticipate problems, rather than discovering them at the testfire range and losing all that work.

I have not yet charged extra for DSA builds, but it looks like I'm either going to have a "Out-of-spec DSA surcharge" or charge everyone more and then offer a discount for IMBELs, LMTs, or other quality in-spec receivers. It is currently costing me over $150 in shop time - above the price of the build - to correct or work around DSA's defects. And that does not count the days of experimenting I did to work out these techniques. I can't continue to eat those expenses.

GF suggested last night, that a pattern of defects across multiple people in multiple states, is a class-action lawsuit waiting to happen. But I don't want DSA sued out of business for their defective crap - I want their defective crap fixed!

And the part that has me so angry and frustrated and disappointed, is I perform all these checks in 5 minutes on a virgin receiver, with a couple factory parts, and a few home-made gauges. Just like I taught Entreprise when they flew out to have me evaluate their last receiver run. I gave them all the different GO/NOGO options for checking a receiver. Nothing fancy, just methodical and disciplined procedures. But they apparently never bothered to use them!

While quality control checks will reveal problems, they don't change The Chicago Way. DSA needs a cultural change, starting with Dave. He has knowingly and willingly shipped defective products for a long time. Nothing is going to change until the man at the top is replaced by someone with integrity. And if the board of directors is unwilling to do that (because they too represent The Chicago Way), there will be no change.

Or someone else needs to come along and make good receivers. But I doubt it would be profitable anymore. But any serious contender can have all the tech support I've collected over the years.
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What's sad is most of these issues, if not all, are so easily fixed by program tweaking, or using a different tool, or making sure the tool has new inserts, etc., etc.

Really easy fixes that should be done on EVERY part that machine shop makes. These are daily things a machinist does to make good parts!

Hell, give me a few grand in store credit, and I'll drive up there and straighten out their bullshit! It could be that DSA is signing off on these parts and the machine shop doesn't even know they are bad.
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I have a feeling that DSA knows that the parts are bad and they're selling them anyway. That's pisses me off more than anything. That's the essence of "the Chicago way".
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I have a feeling that DSA knows that the parts are bad and they're selling them anyway. That's pisses me off more than anything. That's the essence of "the Chicago way".
I wonder if they are making receivers that "their" parts or the ones they are using (dsa mags/barrels/inch bolts) "fit"...
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Good question. It would be nice if they'd let us know. Maybe in some cases but there's a lot of stuff reported that's just plain bad QC.
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An adage that I love and fits this case well is "never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity..... but don't rule out malice". So we seem to have two choices here.
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I wonder if they are making receivers that "their" parts or the ones they are using (dsa mags/barrels/inch bolts) "fit"...
If i am reading Marks findings/observations correctly, even using DSA parts or mags they have fitment issues (DSA 30rnd mags i've heard are GTG so...) so it would seem just poor machining and QC (or lack there of) to be the problem.

I have heard Coonan has a gap at the front between the bolt and the receiver, are they the same? I.E do they both have this "step/extra material" ?
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Just a shot in the dark here, but is there any possibility that some gov contracts came with some strings attached? I don't know but it seems whenever a firearm manufacturer gets any gov work, their quality control on items sold to the pubic goes into the toilet.
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Just a shot in the dark here, but is there any possibility that some gov contracts came with some strings attached? I don't know but it seems whenever a firearm manufacturer gets any gov work, their quality control on items sold to the pubic goes into the toilet.
MILSPEC does not mean what people believe it to mean, it means what is the least we have to do in order for it to work and not blow up on us. Remember the lowest bidder gets the contract because they found a way to cut costs in order to get a product out the door, so somethings go by the way side, overlooking some QC items, cheapest raw materials, cheapest metallurgy that barely will hold up, the list goes on and on.
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This makes me angry to see. I dont even understand how this happens when you have set tools and a machining program. Its like they broke tools and said **** it and replaced it with the next drill or completely skipped steps. Its not like these are individualy machined in a mill vice, they are bolted into fixtures and have an established program machine them to completion.
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Thanks for the effort, Mark. Maybe this will be the thorn in their ass that gets them to shape up, but I suspect they'll carry on as-normal.
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This makes me angry to see. I dont even understand how this happens when you have set tools and a machining program. Its like they broke tools and said **** it and replaced it with the next drill or completely skipped steps. Its not like these are individualy machined in a mill vice, they are bolted into fixtures and have an established program machine them to completion.

This kind of work place screwing off by the employee would get them fired by the company anywhere else.

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Interesting that lone 264 locking shoulder; maybe 256/7 is better than those 252's needed right after the switch to in house I guess....
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Interesting that lone 264 locking shoulder;
That was the overtimed DSA US made G1 barrel (probably made for the out of spec, under-timed receivers). All others were factory barrels and the HS was consistent and in a good range - much better than those .249-.250.
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Thanks for all the info Mark. Man it's annoying that they aren't addressing these issues. Sad.
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That was the overtimed DSA US made G1 barrel (probably made for the out of spec, under-timed receivers). All others were factory barrels and the HS was consistent and in a good range - much better than those .249-.250.
that makes sense, there must be a ton of unmolested .261 ls out there
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Old August 04, 2017, 16:27   #24
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All but one passed testfire. All required short front sights - #0 or #1. This pattern leads me to believe there is a dimensional issue with lockup. Whether forward of the hinge is too high, or aft the hinge is too low, I don't know.

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Have you had any trouble with the forged South African R1 clone receivers, GP?
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Thanks, Mark, for all the time and work you've put into these reviews. DSA should be thanking you for free trouble shooting. But we know how that'll go and what they'll do with the info.
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locking shoulder dogleg: pass (barely). Still slightly tapered from .305 to .291. .007 is a lot for an interference fit, so I sanded the locking shoulder instead of machining the recess.
This is the same problem I had on both of my R1 receivers- R1034 and R1054. I had DSA take care of the issue on both, which they did, to their credit.
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This is the same problem I had on both of my R1 receivers- R1034 and R1054.
But according to R1 Shooter's drunken ravings on Facebook - my review is "bullshit". How is it possible for you to have the same problem? (sarcasm)

That being said, the F marked R series and type 1s are noticeably superior to the type 2s, which are also superior to the type 3s.
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But according to R1 Shooter's drunken ravings on Facebook - my review is "bullshit". How is it possible for you to have the same problem? (sarcasm)

That being said, the F marked R series and type 1s are noticeably superior to the type 2s, which are also superior to the type 3s.
Yeah, well what the hell do you know?

It's amazing that R1Shooter still thinks folks like us want to see DSA tank when the very opposite is the intention. His antics remind me of Baghdad Bob.
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Yeah, well what the hell do you know?

It's amazing that R1Shooter still thinks folks like us want to see DSA tank when the very opposite is the intention. His antics remind me of Baghdad Bob.
I think it illustrates a deep problem with US manufacturing.

American labor costs are high, but automated machines have identical costs where ever they are.

A product like a cloned firearms receiver with intricate details is something that can't necessarily be 100% automated to reduce labor costs.

DSA doesn't want to pay high labor costs for QC, finishing work, etc., and instead has left it up to the mad souls who use their parts.

US manufacturers have to automate as much as possible to be competitve, but that requires significant investment - something DSA might not necessarily be pursuing since their market is relatively captive.
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I think in this case dsa has made a decision to let the fal parts go. The machinery to make receivers is probably wearing out, and it wouldn't make economic sense to spend money on a dying market. Besides, there are lucrative government contracts to think about. Dsa's quality control (and Coonans for that matter) decline is very predictable.
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Problem is, these guys with "lucrative government contracts" to hand out, also can read the internet. DSA's continued poor quality control and "screw you" attitude may cost them a "lucrative government contract".
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Wouldn't all the internal measurements on a metric receiver be pretty much all the same? I mean,between the various types,aren't they pretty much the same other than markings and how they profile the outside lines,between the types I,II,and III ? I wonder why they don't use the same machining program to carve all in innerds to the right measure,and use another for the outside profiling work,for the individual type or style?
Maybe I'm way out there,not an expert by any means,but it seems like metric is metric is metric,regardless the type. Should be the same,no?
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Wouldn't all the internal measurements on a metric receiver be pretty much all the same? I mean,between the various types,aren't they pretty much the same other than markings and how they profile the outside lines,between the types I,II,and III ? I wonder why they don't use the same machining program to carve all in innerds to the right measure,and use another for the outside profiling work,for the individual type or style?
Maybe I'm way out there,not an expert by any means,but it seems like metric is metric is metric,regardless the type. Should be the same,no?
Yes, FAL is FAL. There are several variations of internal lightening/sand cuts, but I agree - one would think they'd be the same other than lightening/sand cuts.

It appears they leave much as cast, with no finish machining inside.
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I wonder if DSA staff get pissed at their own observations of the internal wranglings of their employers standards. Do the assemblers of their own rifles come up with the same issues of fitment? Who is the master, the journeymen and the apprentice - and who gets machine time? I can imagine that the 'masters' over see the 'journeymen' doing the 'main' work, and the apprentices learn on the small stuff, and the civilian receivers. QC is of 'a sell it and see' mindset!
Personally I'd be happy if they made the claim - "some machining maybe required", and dropped the price by $150.00 - then a 2, out of 3 might be a good gamble!
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Thanks for confirming my theory,GP. I have to imagine they must have the same problems everybody else has when putting together the completed rifles they sell,and one would think management would be bleeding out their eyes with all the extra man-hours they would have to invest in getting these units to run right. They have (or had) the right dimensions,once,when they produced the coveted DS prefix units. Why not simply enter that data/program back into whatever CNC machines they use,and produce units of uniformity?
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Have a friends DSA built para carbine, which he bought from a major retail sporting goods store. It looks new, but has been fired some from the carbon on the gas piston facce. Serial DS32XXX. Wouldn't feed till I polished the parking out of the chamber, and still tends to fail to go into battery most times, but only when feeding a cartridge. It cycles by hand just fine, . The para guide rod was flush with the back of the scope mount cover, but still broke on the 4th round. Found the gas piston binding in the tube at the block, looked like it'd been threaded in too tight before backing off. It wasn't extreme, but enough I thought it might cause a problem so I fixed it. The guy called DSA, and they asked about what mags he's using. Hhmmmm, wonder why? Also found the para recoil springs and inside hole in the carrier rusty, so I set them aside and have been using a Imbel lower and bolt carrier for testing, and I hope to have it running for him by this weekend. He's a older Veteran, who did me a sort of favour awhile back, so I'm paying it forward.
Just the same, if DSA would get their shyte together, this thread wouldn't exist.
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and they asked about what mags he's using. Hhmmmm, wonder why?
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Ok, dsa is going to take it back in for repair. Hope you don't mind Mark, but posting this for a timeline. Let's see how long before it's returned, and if they actualy repair it.
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No problem. I've been calling out defects in DSA's products for years and they've been ambivalent at best - preferring spin control to fixing the problems. And so Dave Selvagio continued to knowingly and willingly sell these defective products. (Keep an eye on that phrase, you're going to see a lot more of it soon).

Apparently, DSA did not expect their potential customers to do any research, but to blindly swallow bullshit from people like their representative (paid liar) R1shooter (Daniel Lombard). Perhaps someone ready to hand out a "lucrative government contract" has had second thoughts, after reading my well documented analysis, and the reports from my fellow enthusiasts that confirm my observations.

Recent events suggest that I've finally gotten their attention - although their reaction is going to cost them far more than simply fixing their shit. These are going to be "interesting times."
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Mark -

I've been arguing for years that you should be a Mod here in the gunsmithing sub-forum as you requested/offered.

Thanks for sharing publicly the documentation you've done over the years. Big service to the community, and a bitchin' straight jab to the eye of the douchenozzles who would (continue to) rip us off.
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Recent events suggest that I've finally gotten their attention - although their reaction is going to cost them far more than simply fixing their shit. These are going to be "interesting times."
It sounds like DSA is trying to shoot the messenger.
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It sounds like DSA is trying to shoot the messenger.
Yep. Dave is being very foolish. Thus far I've only been growling. Now he is threatening me with legal action for "defamation". My sister is an attorney, and my GF also went to law school (hasn't taken the AZ Bar yet). And I'm pretty well educated too, although my background is in international law and national security. Does this dumbass really think that a grammar nazi like myself doesn't know exactly what I'm writing? Does he think I can't back up every word?

GF suggests "Bring it, Bitches!" should only be part of the response, and not the whole response.

So I spent yesterday morning doing a quick search on DSA's defective products, when they were first aware of them, and how long after they continued to sell them - holy shit! There were dozens of pages of stuff I'd forgotten about.

So yeah, this attempt to silence and intimidate me is going to have the opposite effect. And the publicity is going to cost DSA dearly. Which is too bad. Because until now, I only wanted to help them produce a good receiver, even if I had to shame them into doing so.

Oh, and now R1Shooter is challenging me to a fist fight. Hahahahahahha. Yep. Interesting times.
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This is sad and infuriating at the same time. DSA's solution to their obvious QC problems is a lawsuit and a fistfight . Well, I can't buy fewer of their products than I already do but I would donate to the GP legal defense fund if need be.
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Lets hope that Dan Coonan is paying attention!
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""Oh, and now R1Shooter is challenging me to a fist fight. Hahahahahahha. Yep. Interesting times.""

Damn, between that Aussi/Croc fellow that wants to use ya as a target, and now this dick weed that wants to fist fight, these folks are like vampires, in that they can't handle a little sunlight on their brand of bull shit.

When one of them challenge you to a duel @ 10 paces, let me know, I got a long tailed black coat somewhere here, but it will need dry cleaning, but ya can borrow it.
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Its sad when the only receiver maker that worked with GP to make a better product Enterprise, is now out of business.

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Is R1 shooter the owner of dsa? If he were an employee of dsa, why does he take criticism of company product so personally?
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