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Old February 02, 2019, 15:54   #1
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Finding a good Ball or spherical powder

For the past 34 years, I have been using IMR4895 powder, a stick powder, for reloading 30 06, 7.62x51, and 5.56 bullets, and have been considering it for 45x70, and7.62x39. It has worked well except that it is slow to measure. I use a volumetric powder measure, non electric, to throw a lightly less then the required charge, and then put it on a triple beam balance, and use a trickle charger to bring it up to the correct weight. This is acceptably accurate, but somewhat slow. I like IMR4895, because it has a good history of not having problems, and a long shelf life. I am thinking that I could speed things up by changing to a Ball or spherical powder. What would you all suggest for a Ball or spherical powder, that has a good track record, a long shelf life, ect. One thing that I really like about it, is that, a proper charge almost comes out to where the bullet seats, making a double charge impossible to miss.
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Old February 02, 2019, 19:48   #2
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Varget

This powder comes close to an all-around powder in the calibers you mention and is somewhat easier to meter than IMR sticks. Hodgon BL-C2 also works well in a varity of cartridges.

A new (to me) powder that's showing promise is AR Comp. I haven't worked up loads for it yet, but if I make it to the Big Thaw this year, it's on my list. Accurate powder, made in Sweden, burn rate between Varget and RL 15, temp stable, not much data.

There is no one powder in the 30-06 for me. IMR or H4895, BL-C2, IMR 4064, 4350, 4831 and 3031 all get used depending on which rifle it's intended for.
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Old February 02, 2019, 21:19   #3
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I've used a bit of Win 748 and Win 760. Both are ball powders and meter well. IRC, 748 was developed for the 7.62x51 and 760 for the 30-06.

But you really can't go wrong with Varget. That stuff just works.
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Old February 02, 2019, 21:24   #4
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In 308, 5.56 and 9.3X62mm I have three powders I use with equal success, IMR 4895, Varget and Win 748. I get great results with all three and can't say one shoots any better than the other. Win 748 is a ball powder and meters very well. I don't have any complaints with Varget metering in my old #55 measure either. In 30-06 I use IMR 4895. Back in the early 90's I tried Win 760 ball powder in 30-06 bolt guns loads but was not very happy with it. I went back to IMR 4895 and haven't strayed since. I don't reload for the 7.62X39 cartridge so I can not comment on that one.
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Old February 02, 2019, 22:58   #5
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Since you asked about spherical, I use BL-C(2) in 5.56 and also use it in .308, .30-06 and 8x57 when I feel like it. It makes suitable blasting ammo for the junk that I shoot. I use magnum primer with it in -06. I just use the Lee scoops and the data from Modern Reloading with BL-C(2). You probably shouldn't listen to me. :P
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Old February 02, 2019, 23:12   #6
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BLC-2 and 748 are good spherical powders I've used. But just because they meter better doesn't mean you can skip weighing each charge if you're anywhere near a max load. I typically use Varget, then Reloader 15 behind it when Varget is sold out. They both measure pretty good, but I'm weighing each charge anyway, not because I'm at max pressure, but because I like to target shoot and want to keep the velocity spread as low as possible.
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Old February 03, 2019, 03:56   #7
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I have used ball powders almost exclusively for loading milspec 5.56x45mm and 7.62x51mm NATO ammo for many decades. For milspec type loads, the same powder will be almost optimal for both cartridges.

Accurate Arms AA2460 is a great powder, and AA2230 works well too. Hodgdon H335 and BLC(2) are both great powders for these cartridges. Win748 is another powder optimal for both (although a little on the slower end than others already mentioned, as is AA2520 (which I consider great for 7.62mm NATO but a little slower than I like for 5.56mm))

Of course, if you can find the surplus WC846 or WC844, both will work just fine too.

I am currently playing with Alliant Power-Pro Varmint, which shows great promise in both cartridges for milspec type loads.

If I was starting out fresh today, I'd probably just use Ramshot TAC and never look back...

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Old February 03, 2019, 08:25   #8
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I like TAC.

But, not for 30-06.

It would probably be OK for 06. But, it feels like the case is half-empty.
Which it pretty much is.

Be sure you know how to disassemble your powder measure if you go to ball powder. Those little powder grains will work their way between the from and the housing, and bind the drum enough to be really annoying.
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Old February 03, 2019, 22:39   #9
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TAC hands down in 5.56 and 7.62
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I shot 80 rounds of TAC handloads (41.1 grains) with 168 SMK in the DPMS LR-308 today.

Good stuff!
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I mainly use BL-C2 for .308, 30.06 and 8mm Mauser. I've used it for over 35 years and it's done well for me.

I'm kinda partial to this powder because it was all that dad loaded in his 30.06 clear back into the 1960s when I was little.

Keep your powder in a cool dry place and it will last for years, back in 2014 I was loading BL-C2 that was over 25 years old with no issues.
my oldest powder right now is some Hercules 2400 from around 1964-65 that my dad had when he reloaded, I check it every couple months and so far there appear to be no issues.

price on the one pound can.... 3.95
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What are your BL-C2 loads for .308 and 30-06?
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TAC hands down in 5.56 and 7.62
This, although you may have issues in .308 with bullet weights greater than ~175 gr.

I get +/- .1 gr. with 4895 in my Dillon powder measure. Get with the times and put the trickle charger into storage.
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Has anybody used Shooters World Match Rifle powder?
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Bought 16 pounds of powder for 200$ shipped from american reloading pulled powder wc846. They say use the bl-c2 data
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Has anybody used Shooters World Match Rifle powder?
No, but picked up some of their "Precision" and "Tactical" powders this past weekend. Have not used any yet and it may be years before I actually do.
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I have 760, but the reason I bought it was to use in my Mosin carbine; I am hoping to improve its fireball. Now, if you can recommend a better powder to achieve this important goal, do tell me!
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Find some of that RG4895 military reject powder they sold cheap some years ago..
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Find some of that RG4895 military reject powder they sold cheap some years ago..
Is that the same as the 'cheap' Russian powder advertised as slow 4895 several years ago? Being a fan of cheap (well, I mean inexpensive, of course), I picked up a couple of kegs of it. It looks a lot like Russian production powder I've seen in Russian 7.62x54mmR light ball ammo from WWII production, which certainly makes sense. I've never gotten around to loading and shooting any of it to date, but, regardless, it isn't a ball powder...

We must be talking about something else...

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Thanks everyone for your suggestions. I will think these over, and do some more research, and let you know which powder I decide on, or if I stick with IMR4895
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