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Old March 19, 2017, 15:00   #1
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The Titanic

You have not had it shoved up your asses deep enough yet as Taxpayers.

The Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, that found the Titanic long ago gets 90% of its funding from the US taxpayer.

The Dept of Commerce--National Science Foundation, NASA, NOAA, EPA, DOD and others fund the bastards at Woods Hole.
They are greenies ripping us off! Our money.
WTF!!

Yep they are not just out there, wandering the oceans for years at someone else's expense. Never were; WE PAID FOR IT ALL.

The US Dept of Commerce, has a sub agency called the National Science Foundation that hands out money to junk science projects like heroin to addicts.

Not that this is bad enough but they are going back to the Titanic at our expense.

But this time they contracted with "Oceangate" ,that built a new submersible for $200 million dollars.................that sub was paid for by another grant of $200 million from the National Science Foundation to the University of Washington, in a straw man transfer of sorts.
It was announced as the largest grant ever given by the NSF--not 20 million. but a $200 million dollar program.

Now the Oceangate bastards are renting OUR SUB, to the Woods Hole institute at a huge sum. We paid for the sub, paid for Woods Hole entire annual budget and are paying again to go to the Titanic again. Quadruple dipping and worse.

Like working in a foreign country, any money paid while at sea or in Antarctica is income tax free cash.
We ought to grab that sub and give it to the US Navy.

The greenies and the democrats are ripping us off and paying professors salaries at astronomical levels, through the Depts, Agencies, Offices, Foundations, Bureaus, Institutes, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woods_...ic_Institution
http://www.oceangate.com/expeditions...rvey-2018.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...nce_Foundation

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Old March 19, 2017, 15:08   #2
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Was reading today that Trump has allready saved 100 billion on the budget, he is our only chance back to sanity.
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Old March 19, 2017, 17:06   #3
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Being in the marine industry and knowing the boats and companies involved, I always wondered why certain companies always got the fat contracts.

Boat leasing, personnel and equipment cost is much higher than anyone on this board expects. $20,000/day would be typical with a long term project, a short term project would be higher. This is not including fuel and oil.

I always wondered who had such deep pockets to waste so much money on ridiculous projects.
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Old March 19, 2017, 17:21   #4
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Hmmmm,

So this is why Bloomberg has money to fund anti-gun efforts. Taxpayers are funding science zealots to make our life harder. Great.

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Old March 19, 2017, 18:29   #5
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There is no scientific point in returning to the Titanic. We know it sank,we know where it sank,how it sank,and that everybody on it is dead now.
They probably are using this as a cover story to survey a sunk UFO (USO) somewhere.
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Old March 19, 2017, 19:16   #6
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They probably are using this as a cover story to survey a sunk UFO (USO) somewhere.
When Ballard was looking for the Titanic, the .gov had him looking for a couple subs, the Thresher for one. Looking for the Titanic was the cover.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Thresher_(SSN-593)


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According to newly declassified information, the Navy sent Commander (Dr.) Robert Ballard, the oceanographer credited with locating the wreck of RMS Titanic, on a secret mission to map and collect visual data on both Thresher and Scorpion wrecks.[15] The Navy used Ballard's search for Titanic as a screen to hide the mission. Ballard approached the Navy in 1982 for funding to find Titanic with his new deep-diving robot submersible. The Navy saw the opportunity and granted him the money on the condition he first inspect the two submarine wrecks. Ballard's robotic survey discovered that Thresher had sunk so deep that it imploded, turning into thousands of pieces. The only recoverable piece was a foot of marled pipe.[16] His 1985 search for Scorpion revealed such a large debris field that it looked "as though it had been put through a shredding machine." Once the two wrecks had been visited, and the radioactive threat from both was established as small, Ballard was able to search for Titanic. Due to dwindling funds, he had just 12 days to do so, but he used the same debris-field search techniques he had used for the two subs, which worked, and Titanic was found.[17]
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Old March 19, 2017, 19:23   #7
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Not as far fetched as you would think. Remember, for us older folks, the attempted recovery of the sunk Russian sub?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian
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Old March 19, 2017, 19:38   #8
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If you want to read a very good story about this submarine read:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4...Red_Star_Rogue
Let's say there is more here than just intel gathering.
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Old March 19, 2017, 21:18   #9
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This nation more than any other has preformed historical feats of exploration,,, almost solely for profit but they were ballhoo'd to the public as a shared adventures of curiosity with progress reports waited for breathlessly.
Many of those feats are forgotten but what was leaned from the doing advance our knowledge,,, if you are not in need of knowledge you are a rube ready to be played
Admiral Byrd went on his pre-WWII expedition when I was boy,,, and being a boy there was not much I would not have given to go along.
What we don't know about the ocean depths is equal to the ignorance we have about outer space.
Letting the ocean deep or outer space to become politiczed will insure our ignorance for the near future and maybe beyond.
The weather has become politicized in case you haven't noticed

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They want to use a manned submersible to (among other reasons) take pictures to construct a 3D image of the entire wreck.

BFD.
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They want to use a manned submersible to (among other reasons) take pictures to construct a 3D image of the entire wreck.

BFD.
And this is what FedGov does with the money they take from you at gunpoint, the money earned by people like you and I who create valuable things and perform valuable services which honest folks freely trade for.
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They want to use a manned submersible to (among other reasons) take pictures to construct a 3D image of the entire wreck.

BFD.
Yep. And this will....what? End a war? Solve the Fukushima disaster? Balance our national budget? Pay off the debt? Nope. Just more leaches feeding off a dying host.
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Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute is 90% Federally funded by the Dept of Commerce and its agencies-- NSF, NASA, DOD, NOAA, also all Federal Agencies, some under the same Dept........... and apparently ALWAYS has been...........90%....it never runs out of money. Running out of funds or out of time,............. was only to bullshit the public about poor Dr Ballard and his little green men at Woods Hole............the black hole of Federal waste and fraud.

I will bet that its employees get Federal Benefits, too.

The National Science Foundation gets 30,000 requests for funding junk sceionce projects each year and funds 11,000 of them.............throwing away billions each year---7 billion a year on junk science.

the Titanic expedition will cost a cool one billion alone........and they are charging $1500/ per passenger to who wants a ride on the Cyclops II sub......... that we technically own.
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Tragedies and mysteries are always great money makers and, old ones are often good subjects of sympathy since they haven't been solved.

Once they get the money it's off to the races 'til it's gone then, back to the crying over the tragedy game for more.
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so why didn't the subs leak radiation? or kill everything within a thousand leagues?
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so why didn't the subs leak radiation? or kill everything within a thousand leagues?
Water is probably the most effective radiation shield of all.
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The sub was found when an oceanographic ship sampled an oil slick out in the middle of no where. It contained traces of radioactive debris. They then surveyed thru the information on sonic logs etc that lead to the sub.
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Water is probably the most effective radiation shield of all.
This is true...

borrowed this bit from another site. http://space.stackexchange.com/quest...on-shielding-i

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Well, according to a report on the topic prepared for the DoE back in 1977, a layer of water 7 centimeters thick reduces the ionizing radiation (rays and particles) transmitted through it by half (the remainder is captured or moderated to non-ionizing energy levels, mainly heat). Freshly discharged nuclear fuel puts out about 100,000 R/hour as measured from one foot away in air (at that rate, certain death is about 5 minutes' exposure and you'd fall into a coma in about 10). Background ionizing radiation levels on Earth's surface are about .000001 R/hour (1 mSv/hr), while a "safe dose" to live with long-term is about .0004 R/hr. A halving represents about .3 of a power of 10, so in rough terms, to reduce a fresh fuel rod's radioactivity to safe levels, you would need about 2 meters (8/0.3 * 7 / 100), and through more than 2.5m the radioactivity of the fuel rods is indistinguishable from background radiation. In fact, according to the link from the comment, diving about 6 feet down would expose you to less radiation than at the surface of the pool.
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