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Old May 14, 2019, 14:42   #301
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They were brought in under Himmler later on I believe. Adding to the conflict that many SS members were also high ranking party members. Hans Frank comes to mind, as does Ribbentrop. But trying to sort out that rats nest of reporting chains, loyalties and who-took-orders-from-who is a fools errand at best imo. In many ways the Nazi leadership was what we would today refer to as entrepreneurial, you got what you took and could defend. Himmler and Heydrich, Goering and Ribbentrop, Speer, Frank, Goebbels and Bormann all stepped on each other's toes. Yes it was crazy but that's kinda the point too. Hard to make a case for 'I did what I was told' when you had to stick your hand in that meat grinder daily just to play the game at all.
yeah they were a later creation, like 38' ?
but do consider our own government is as bad right now bubs'
look at the post Obama FBI & CIA
same with DOJ and the whole collusion fantasy.

they all continue to willingly stick fingers in a similar meat grinder in order to firm up career goals. Same just following orders horseshit
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Old May 14, 2019, 14:51   #302
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yeah they were a later creation, like 38' ?
but do consider our own government is as bad right now bubs'
look at the post Obama FBI & CIA
same with DOJ and the whole collusion fantasy.

they all continue to willingly stick fingers in a similar meat grinder in order to firm up career goals. Same just following orders horseshit
Oh yes. The only difference is we ain't marching folks en-mass into railroad cars. Yet. As to FBI/CIA, oingo boingo just stayed a long-established course. Gross corruption at FBI has been going on since J Edgar himself took the helm. As for CIA, Ike tried to warn us but had to do it in a sideways manner. Probably smart.

Interesting to note that both organizations trace their roots to Democratic administrations, albeit different ones. Not that it matters.
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Old May 14, 2019, 15:01   #303
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Oh yes. The only difference is we ain't marching folks en-mass into railroad cars. Yet. As to FBI/CIA, oingo boingo just stayed a long-established course. Gross corruption at FBI has been going on since J Edgar himself took the helm. As for CIA, Ike tried to warn us but had to do it in a sideways manner. Probably smart.

Interesting to note that both organizations trace their roots to Democratic administrations, albeit different ones. Not that it matters.
Who do you think administered interment programs in WWII ?
yeah DOJ
Some folks went by Chartered bus, others by truck and quite a few by rail car
was not just Japanese Americans either
thousands of Europeans ended up incarcerated at various locations including American born children.
As I told YH, they will do it again given opportunity
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Who do you think administered interment programs in WWII ?
yeah DOJ
Some folks went by Chartered bus, others by truck and quite a few by rail car
was not just Japanese Americans either
thousands of Europeans ended up incarcerated at various locations including American born children.
As I told YH, they will do it again given opportunity
They will. Still there are important differences. First and foremost is they don't have the opportunity, although that part ain't up to them. Secondly is the sheer numbers. Stalin's wry comments aside there's a difference between relocating folks for awhile and awarding contracts to blue chip companies to build world-class killing factories for women and children for the purpose of exterminating whole races. Plural because it wasn't just Jewry.

To be honest the two situations are different enough from a sheer numbers perspective to where they are not comparable. And as to the Japanese they did, after all, stage a sneak attack on us and regardless whether or not they were goaded into doing it by our own leadership or perhaps even given limited assistance that's on them.

Note that by and large we did not load Germans into cattle cars and ship 'em en-mass into internment camps, mainly because the Germans did not stage a sneak attack on say, New York. Some were put away for the duration, sure. And it was the right thing to do. Had they staged a sneak attack we probably would have. And its useful to remember that it was Germany who declared war on us, not the other way around. And we sure as hell didn't have a national program for the eradication of either Germans or Japanese as a people, Curtis Lemay and a couple of starter nukes aside.
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They will. Still there are important differences. First and foremost is they don't have the opportunity, although that part ain't up to them. Secondly is the sheer numbers. Stalin's wry comments aside there's a difference between relocating folks for awhile and awarding contracts to blue chip companies to build world-class killing factories for women and children for the purpose of exterminating whole races. Plural because it wasn't just Jewry.

To be honest the two situations are different enough from a sheer numbers perspective to where they are not comparable. And as to the Japanese they did, after all, stage a sneak attack on us and regardless whether or not they were goaded into doing it by our own leadership or perhaps even given limited assistance that's on them.

Note that by and large we did not load Germans into cattle cars and ship 'em en-mass into internment camps, mainly because the Germans did not stage a sneak attack on say, New York. Some were put away for the duration, sure. And it was the right thing to do. Had they staged a sneak attack we probably would have. And its useful to remember that it was Germany who declared war on us, not the other way around. And we sure as hell didn't have a national program for the eradication of either Germans or Japanese as a people, Curtis Lemay and a couple of starter nukes aside.
just a small problem friend:

Yes, while the Empire did sneak attack Pearl the insane part was extremely few Japanese were removed from Hawaii, under, well under 200 as I recall. A couple thousand remained there.

So who was railed away ?
Mostly farming communes in the San Fernando valley

FDR did this for payback to the Governor and his henchmen who wanted to take it all bubs'

who was that dirtbag Governor ?
Why Earl Warren, headed up the commission the JFK investigation. He made millions off the Enemy removal bullshit. Hard Core New Deal Democrat
point is, this started as a White land grab, had nothing to do with protecting American security and DOJ went right along with it well knowing what was actually going down.
Pure political payoff by the 1st Gimp in the Whitehouse.

I'm real hard on all this, don't play favorites ever bubs'

I'll go further:
Had the Japs made any foothold in America what do you think would have happened to those in our Concentration camps ?
are you familiar with the Fugo balloon bombs ?
plan was to eventually fit them with bio weapons
thing was while 100s touched down in North America, as far west as eastern North Dakota it was kept out of the media and the Empire eventually came to the idea it was not worthwhile

This was what the Jappers were up to creating disease in China and Korea...it was destined here brother.

anyways interning citizens is never the "right thing to do"
particularly for the purposes of land exploitation
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just a small problem friend:

Yes, while the Empire did sneak attack Pearl the insane part was extremely few Japanese were removed from Hawaii, under, well under 200 as I recall. A couple thousand remained there.

So who was railed away ?
Mostly farming communes in the San Fernando valley

FDR did this for payback to the Governor and his henchmen who wanted to take it all bubs'

who was that dirtbag Governor ?
Why Earl Warren, headed up the commission the JFK investigation. He made millions off the Enemy removal bullshit. Hard Core New Deal Democrat
point is, this started as a White land grab, had nothing to do with protecting American security and DOJ went right along with it well knowing what was actually going down.
Pure political payoff by the 1st Gimp in the Whitehouse.

I'm real hard on all this, don't play favorites ever bubs'

I'll go further:
Had the Japs made any foothold in America what do you think would have happened to those in our Concentration camps ?
are you familiar with the Fugo balloon bombs ?
plan was to eventually fit them with bio weapons
thing was while 100s touched down in North America, as far west as eastern North Dakota it was kept out of the media and the Empire eventually came to the idea it was not worthwhile

This was what the Jappers were up to creating disease in China and Korea...it was destined here brother.

anyways interning citizens is never the "right thing to do"
particularly for the purposes of land exploitation
It was the right thing to do or at least a defensible thing to do given what we did not know at the time. As to assigning purposes, well that's not to say folks didn't take advantage of it. They did, they will and they most certainly will again.

Screw 'em. There is always collateral damage in warfare, one of the main reasons warfare is kinda reprehensible to ordinary folks. Collateral damage ya say? How about the Bataan death march for starters? Or using noncombatants for bayonet practice? Nanking. Korea. Manchuria. Burma. I ain't crying no tears at all for the Japanese, they're lucky they were caught on this side of the ocean in that conflict and if they wound up spending it in a barracks somewhere in the desert I'm guessing that beat instant vaporization in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Or a slightly more conventional roasting in Tokyo, Okinawa and pretty much every other populated area in Japan. They were the lucky ones, the boys on the Arizona and Nevada not so much.

To collateral damage, you minimize it where you can but (and I hate to have to point this out) minimizing collateral damage is not the main objective when it comes to warfare. Winning is. Collateral damage is best avoided by avoiding it altogether.
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It was the right thing to do or at least a defensible thing to do given what we did not know at the time. As to assigning purposes, well that's not to say folks didn't take advantage of it. They did, they will and they most certainly will again.

Screw 'em. There is always collateral damage in warfare, one of the main reasons warfare is kinda reprehensible to ordinary folks. Collateral damage ya say? How about the Bataan death march for starters? Or using noncombatants for bayonet practice? Nanking. Korea. Manchuria. Burma. I ain't crying no tears at all for the Japanese, they're lucky they were caught on this side of the ocean in that conflict and if they wound up spending it in a barracks somewhere in the desert I'm guessing that beat instant vaporization in Hiroshima or Nagasaki. Or a slightly more conventional roasting in Tokyo, Okinawa and pretty much every other populated area in Japan. They were the lucky ones, the boys on the Arizona and Nevada not so much.

To collateral damage, you minimize it where you can but (and I hate to have to point this out) minimizing collateral damage is not the main objective when it comes to warfare. Winning is. Collateral damage is best avoided by avoiding it altogether.
You realize much of that verges on full blown Nazi shit bubs's

Again, Japan attacked us in Hawaii yet few folks with Japper ancestry were removed, sent to concentration camps
it was mostly just those in California who ended up having to sell to whomever for not very much
those who didn't do that had their holdings seized by your hero Earl Warren

Do you even know why Hawaiian Japs were not deported to camps ?
The War department stepped in and said Oh Fuk NO !
Jappers ran the farms there as well, it would have been a mess without them so the Army stepped in, told Hoover's FBI to back off and right NOW

Cali was different, this was ALWAYS a land grab bubs

so you refuse to cry any tears of American Citizens who shared Japanese ancestry ?
That's pretty damn sick, borders on evil buddy
I have never been able to get my head around all that.

There was one local idiot who used to verbally attack mom for being 2nd generation Russian...called her a Communist Whore
Some years later once I turned drinking age I drug him out by his hair, beat him bloody behind the VFW club. Again I am not soft on this shit.

I'm not my father
asshole goaded me that evening hard before I shattered a long neck Budweiser bottle upside his fat head, drug him down the stairs to the alley and put boots to his fat ass

I don't fly that pattern bubs
you should endeavor to try not as well
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Thread drift noted. Simply put the "arabs/muslims" of later times claim land that Jews claimed centuries before there was any blight upon earth called islam. That the jews became resurgent and came home after centuries of pogroms etc etc makes no difference to me. They were there from early times ... and that many came back to make a jewish state is just how it goes. How long they can keep the 72 virgin worshipping nutsos at bay. When any religion has gotten to the point of full retard it deserves no seat at the table. Until the jihad and like silly tenants of islam are deleted and scorned there will be no peace. Anyhow the arabs as noted are either out of rockets or took a good beating and are licking something until next time.
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You realize much of that verges on full blown Nazi shit bubs's

Again, Japan attacked us in Hawaii yet few folks with Japper ancestry were removed, sent to concentration camps
it was mostly just those in California who ended up having to sell to whomever for not very much
those who didn't do that had their holdings seized by your hero Earl Warren

Do you even know why Hawaiian Japs were not deported to camps ?
The War department stepped in and said Oh Fuk NO !
Jappers ran the farms there as well, it would have been a mess without them so the Army stepped in, told Hoover's FBI to back off and right NOW

Cali was different, this was ALWAYS a land grab bubs

so you refuse to cry any tears of American Citizens who shared Japanese ancestry ?
That's pretty damn sick, borders on evil buddy
I have never been able to get my head around all that.
News flash, warfare is an evil business and out of control by definition. If it's controlled it ain't warfare. Not total war anyway, which again was what they brought to us. And I generally don't cry and I don't feel remorse about shit I can do nothing about. I do think it's too bad and not how I would have things but it's a whole package, you don't get to order a la cart when it comes to engaging in it. What do you think this is, some sort of game where you have umpires make the call and when it's over ya shake hands and have a beer? You looking for a 'nice' war, where folks play by rules and everyone does their best to stay in bounds, and we don't use weapons or tactics that aren't available to the other side? One where the bystanders are behind a plexiglass shield and never get hit by a stray puck like in an NHL game? Because that ain't it. Get hit with a slapshot it's gonna hurt, even if the home team fires it. Yes, it's pretty darn far from perfect, in fact it comes from a place where perfect ain't even on the menu. And for the record from what I can see there's a lot you can't get your head around, just add this one to the list. And be glad you can't get your head around it because it ain't a pretty picture.

We haven't had one of these for quite some time, which is a good thing. But one day we will see it again, you can be sure of that.

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There was one local idiot who used to verbally attack mom for being 2nd generation Russian...called her a Communist Whore
Some years later once I turned drinking age I drug him out by his hair, beat him bloody behind the VFW club. Again I am not soft on this shit.

I'm not my father
asshole goaded me that evening hard before I shattered a long neck Budweiser bottle upside his fat head, drug him down the stairs to the alley and put boots to his fat ass

I don't fly that pattern bubs
you should endeavor to try not as well
Good for you. This is how that shit is stopped. Talking ain't the way sometimes. As to flying that pattern, well endeavoring to not go there works until it doesn't.
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Dachau concentration Camp/murder camp is in????......................GERMANY.

Motherfucker.

Stop with the swimming pools and rec facilities, for those forced into labor at those factories/labor camps, like at Werner Von Brauns camp--where..also in in GERMANY!! and other concentration camps and death camps.

Hitler killed 6 million Jews, and another 8 million in those death camps.

Those wonderful Labor camps-1200 of them or more, with fake spas with the pools, worked another 10-18 million to death in those labor camps, many who became displaced persons at the end of the war.

There were no good Nazi's. Most Germans who drove those factories and slave labor camps well aware of what they were doing and deserved life sentences living in E Germany; too bad we did nto do the same thing in W Germany for 40 years too.

Germans needed a REAL KICK IN THE ASS, WHO LIVED... especially old soldiers who fought well, but who are butchers and loosers.
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News flash, warfare is an evil business and out of control by definition. If it's controlled it ain't warfare. Not total war anyway, which again was what they brought to us. And I generally don't cry and I don't feel remorse about shit I can do nothing about. I do think it's too bad and not how I would have things but it's a whole package, you don't get to order a la cart when it comes to engaging in it. What do you think this is, some sort of game where you have umpires make the call and when it's over ya shake hands and have a beer? You looking for a 'nice' war, where folks play by rules and everyone does their best to stay in bounds, and we don't use weapons or tactics that aren't available to the other side? One where the bystanders are behind a plexiglass shield and never get hit by a stray puck like in an NHL game? Because that ain't it. Get hit with a slapshot it's gonna hurt, even if the home team fires it. Yes, it's pretty darn far from perfect, in fact it comes from a place where perfect ain't even on the menu. And for the record from what I can see there's a lot you can't get your head around, just add this one to the list. And be glad you can't get your head around it because it ain't a pretty picture.

We haven't had one of these for quite some time, which is a good thing. But one day we will see it again, you can be sure of that.

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Good for you. This is how that shit is stopped. Talking ain't the way sometimes. As to flying that pattern, well endeavoring to not go there works until it doesn't.
What I am getting at is you don't take a class of established citizens and declare them whatever bubs'
You seek out bad actors, not Jews, Japs, whatever in general
that's just Nazi shit and there are those here who endorse all that. Pisses me off.

Ole' Bob at the VFW was a mouthy prick. Most tolerated his shit over being a combat vet in Korea. When I was 15 he played bumper tag with me on my bicycle. Planted me in a ditch. over a dozen stiches, broken collar bone. He used to laugh about having done that.

That was the goading. I was 19, he made comments with his VFW clique. Finally came up to the bar to pick up another beer, made comments about running me down and called me a pussy. Well Pussy this fat fuk, smash upside the face. Nice gaping wound, asshole bled out all over the new carpet on the way to his fruition bubs'

Our VFW was an open club but there was a meeting over his beating. Got banned for a month over it, assessed a $50 clean up fee over the blood on the new carpet. It was worth every penny of it
They suspended Bob for 90 days and afterwards he rarely darkened the doorway again...guy used to cross the street when he saw me on the sidewalk after that. Whom is the Pussy now ?

1930s his type were packing cattle cars in Europe
just a mean, nasty fuckstain
I grew up being on the wrong side of this bigotry and became very intolerant of it all
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced...r_World_War_II

Thanks god "we" i.e. THE ALLIES, enslaved every god damn German soldier we could find after the war. Russia killed thiers off, but England and the other countries just worked the shit out of them.

We put those lousy Mfers, ( who fought well and courageously) into camps, andworked them until 1950 or so, except for those mfers we hung (1200) or the rest put into jails.

German Soldiers who escaped punishment still need to be found and imprisoned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6cker_Album

Auschiwz photo album monster Hocker, is now dead but he mostly escaped with a few years in prison; he should have been sent to Russia or hung.
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Dachau concentration Camp/murder camp is in????......................GERMANY.

Motherfucker.

Stop with the swimming pools and rec facilities, for those forced into labor at those factories/labor camps, like at Werner Von Brauns camp--where..also in in GERMANY!! and other concentration camps and death camps.

Hitler killed 6 million Jews, and another 8 million in those death camps.

Those wonderful Labor camps-1200 of them or more, with fake spas with the pools, worked another 10-18 million to death in those labor camps, many who became displaced persons at the end of the war.

There were no good Nazi's. Most Germans who drove those factories and slave labor camps well aware of what they were doing and deserved life sentences living in E Germany; too bad we did nto do the same thing in W Germany for 40 years too.

Germans needed a REAL KICK IN THE ASS, WHO LIVED... especially old soldiers who fought well, but who are butchers and loosers.
V, you are obsessed with "Germans" when it was all of Europe doing real bad shit to others.

I agree, no such thing as a good Nazi, thing is much of Europe marched with them. Again it wasn't at all a German thing...it was just a confluence of Evil assholes continent wide friend.

yeah, there were hundreds of out right labor camps across Europe
didja' know England had them to ?
yeppers they started running in the 20s well before Shitler, Churchill ran them through the War for his War effort.

It's what went on
My own family figures Von Braun cackled with glee every time a V2 impacted successfully in London.

Here's the thing
The workers building this shit were not dummies
nope they were not starving either
fuk man, they were building ballistic devices V
think on this some
could you afford to have V2s built by starving halfwits ?

reality is you couldn't
training to assemble took time which severely cut into production capacity.
best place to be was building this shit with decent QC in a timely manner to meet quota.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced...r_World_War_II

Thanks god "we" i.e. THE ALLIES, enslaved every god damn German soldier we could find after the war. Russia killed thiers off, but England and the other countries just worked the shit out of them.

We put those lousy Mfers, ( who fought well and courageously) into camps, andworked them until 1950 or so, except for those mfers we hung (1200) or the rest put into jails.

German Soldiers who escaped punishment still need to be found and imprisoned.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6cker_Album

Auschiwz photo album monster Hocker, is now dead but he mostly escaped with a few years in prison; he should have been sent to Russia or hung.
ugh' no

Soviets did that shit. Many survived to return to Germany after a stint in the new Com Blok Ike helped create

German soldiers in general needing to be imprisoned
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Well, all this discussion about who, what and where got killed during WW2 is fun, but here's our current ambassador doing his best to be fair, and create peace.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/w...srael-god.html

Just an interesting side note - a woman???:

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/u-s-...uest-1.7238219

We aren't doing anything except pouring gas on a fire.

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What I am getting at is you don't take a class of established citizens and declare them whatever bubs'
You seek out bad actors, not Jews, Japs, whatever in general
that's just Nazi shit and there are those here who endorse all that. Pisses me off.

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Ya think? Wrong six ways to sunday. But in the pantheon of all the things wrong with total war it's gotta take a number and get in line if it wants outrage and indignation from me. The list of shit that's wrong with that is just about endless. Made up my mind years ago I'm not gonna stress over stuff I can't control and I sure as hell can't control any of that. Because stressing over stuff that ain't yours is draining, takes energy and focus away from the things you can manage.

In fact getting you distracted by uncontrollable things is a tactic, a technique used by the other guys to wear ya down. National debt, global warming/cooling/stasis. Arquillian battle cruisers circling the north pole, no more red M&Ms and artificial titties. Can't do anything about any of that, except for maybe the titties. As I said, I resolved long ago they're gonna have to try harder than that with me.
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Ya think? Wrong six ways to sunday. But in the pantheon of all the things wrong with total war it's gotta take a number and get in line if it wants outrage and indignation from me. The list of shit that's wrong with that is just about endless. Made up my mind years ago I'm not gonna stress over stuff I can't control and I sure as hell can't control any of that. Because stressing over stuff that ain't yours is draining, takes energy and focus away from the things you can manage.

In fact getting you distracted by uncontrollable things is a tactic, a technique used by the other guys to wear ya down. National debt, global warming/cooling/stasis. Arquillian battle cruisers circling the north pole, no more red M&Ms and artificial titties. Can't do anything about any of that, except for maybe the titties. As I said, I resolved long ago they're gonna have to try harder than that with me.
Shit America has not seen total War since the 1860s where dirtbag Lincoln sent thousands of families into Camps
yeah that's the root of it, nobody else had done it before fuckstain Abe, another of your heros no doubt.

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Shit America has not seen total War since the 1860s where dirtbag Lincoln sent thousands of families into Camps
yeah that's the root of it, nobody else had done it before fuckstain Abe, another of your heros no doubt.

I give zero shits about most causes but I care deeply regarding Rights
apparently you don't
Abe is not my hero, quite the opposite in fact. As to total war, well we haven't seen it onshore since then to be sure. But we have been in a couple of 'em and if you don't think so you should probably get out more. As to rights, well even those take a back seat to physical survival and as I said the rest of it can take a number and get in line.
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Well, all this discussion about who, what and where got killed during WW2 is fun, but here's our current ambassador doing his best to be fair, and create peace.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/w...srael-god.html

Just an interesting side note - a woman???:

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/u-s-...uest-1.7238219

We aren't doing anything except pouring gas on a fire.

And it ain't our fire.


For many people, myself included,,this below is a true statement:

"“And the second is that Israel has one secret weapon that not too many countries have,” Mr. Friedman added. “Israel is on the side of God, and we don’t underestimate that.”

As far as banning entry to that pos bitch, well done President Trump.
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For many people, myself included,,this below is a true statement:

"“And the second is that Israel has one secret weapon that not too many countries have,” Mr. Friedman added. “Israel is on the side of God, and we don’t underestimate that.”
Well YH, don't you think yourself and the Ambassador are a bit biased?




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Well YH, don't you think yourself and the Ambassador are a bit biased?




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100% correct, and that is a problem how???

Its an opinion, a belief.

Every body has them on every subject known to mankind.

This Ambassador, never heard of him before he was selected, didn't know what to expect of him.

But he's been more than OK so far.

Got my vote, when he first started "sitting shiva" with families that lost loved ones to terror attacks inside Israel.

obammy's idiot would never have done that.

This fellow is Jewish, and claims to be nothing,,,, but Jewish.

Besides, the idiots hate him,,,for being Jewish,,,so being known for whom hates you,,,is a good thang.
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As far as banning entry to that pos bitch, well done President Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanan_Ashrawi

Well, I'm not sure what she says that scares you so much, she doesn't appear to be a violent person.

Perhaps her narrative may conflict with what's being portrayed here?

Let the sunlight in, if the nutcases are really that, letting them talk is the best thing, so everyone can see what they are.
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Well, I'm not sure what she says that scares you so much, she doesn't appear to be a violent person.

Perhaps her narrative may conflict with what's being portrayed here?

Let the sunlight in, if the nutcases are really that, letting them talk is the best thing, so everyone can see what they are.
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Oh Ted, she does not "scare" me in the least.

I promise you, her narrative conflicts with everyone except for long dead nazi scum and their delusional supporters/apologist.

Useful idiots abound.









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"bout what I thought. Control access to thoughts, control the narrative, direct the decisions.

If you weren't afraid of what she said, you'd love for people to hear her and see how crazy, hateful and wrong she is.

I personally don't know what she'd say, but apparently you do.
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"bout what I thought. Control access to thoughts, control the narrative, direct the decisions.

If you weren't afraid of what she said, you'd love for people to hear her and see how crazy, hateful and wrong she is.

I personally don't know what she'd say, but apparently you do.
I know very well what she has said in the past, has been a mouthpiece for these people for ages now.

You must not, so go read her many opinions/positions.

I don't listen too neo nazi scum, nor speak with them, if they are known to me to be neo nazi scum cock suckers either.

You want to listen to these people, go right ahead.

Free country,,,,,for American citizens,,,free speech for American citizens,,,you may wish for open entry to these bastards, in this matter, your opinion counts for nothing.
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Free country,,,,,for American citizens,,,free speech for American citizens,,,you may wish for open entry to these bastards, in this matter, your opinion counts for nothing.
Well, I hate to point this out, but my opinion counts precisely as much as yours does.

What has she said that so offends you?
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Well, I hate to point this out, but my opinion counts precisely as much as yours does.

What has she said that so offends you?
Well I can tell you what I personally find offensive, or at least disturbing. The idea that folks who should know better, profess to be enlightened, knowledgeable and erudite would give that fraud-peddling huckster anything beyond the back of a mailed fist. This shit ought to be settled. And to YH's point it will be at some point. Probably by introducing a goodly number of these creatures to their maker, and when it happens it will be for a damnably good reason.

And this must be said, to the extent that the moral relativists, the folks who lend an ear to this group of losers who backed both the Austrian empire and Nazi Germany, lost ground they walked across on occasion as spoils of war, maintains the eradication of a people as a matter of policy, and forces their their women, children and retards into homemade dynamite vests, they too have a hand in this. Memories are long, ya say? Well yes, that's true. And as such they might be well advised to not mistake forbearance for acceptance.

And before anyone comes crying for these so-called 'poor palis' its also worth remembering that even their bretheren arabs would just as soon see 'em vaporized as well, and only give 'em lip service for their own parochial purposes. To stir the shit, in other words. Not too different, come to think of it, than what some here like to do.
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Well, I hate to point this out, but my opinion counts precisely as much as yours does.

What has she said that so offends you?
You posted her wiki page, go take a hard look at all those groups she founded, was involved in, what they call for,, her positions on the issues, etc.

Bottom line for her, Jews go somewhere else, or we kill them.

Trump forbid her entry into the USA, go take a look at why he did that.

The USA has allowed the likes of Fidel, Communist, Socialist, scum bags of all stripes, why not this pos?

She calls for the destruction of Israel/removal of all Jews from Israel, and since Israelis won't walk onto the freight cars ever again, that means, she is fine with mass murder of all Jews inside Israel.

Like all of the rest of these bastards.

I used to be flabbergasted that anyone would support these people, but then I was reminded of the old line, my enemy of my enemy, is now my friend.

Israel and Jews world wide have a lot of people rooting for our demise,,,,oh well,,,,just another day in the past 2000 yrs,,,nothing new here.

The really sad thing in all of this shit,,,our country, the USA is going to soon be reminded,,,,on a daily basis, what these people bring to our/any society, and it ain't going to be pretty.

These two muzzie dimwit representatives are the tip of the spear,,their best and brightest.
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What has she said that so offends you?
https://gellerreport.com/2019/05/vil...anned-us.html/


She worked for the PLO, supported all of the PLO's positions, that of,,, kill all Jews,,,and her daddy was a founder of the PLO, responsible for the murder of Americans and Jews.

This enough for you????
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Well I can tell you what I personally find offensive, or at least disturbing. The idea that folks who should know better, profess to be enlightened, knowledgeable and erudite would give that fraud-peddling huckster anything beyond the back of a mailed fist. This shit ought to be settled. And to YH's point it will be at some point. Probably by introducing a goodly number of these creatures to their maker, and when it happens it will be for a damnably good reason.

And this must be said, to the extent that the moral relativists, the folks who lend an ear to this group of losers who backed both the Austrian empire and Nazi Germany, lost ground they walked across on occasion as spoils of war, maintains the eradication of a people as a matter of policy, and forces their their women, children and retards into homemade dynamite vests, they too have a hand in this. Memories are long, ya say? Well yes, that's true. And as such they might be well advised to not mistake forbearance for acceptance.

And before anyone comes crying for these so-called 'poor palis' its also worth remembering that even their bretheren arabs would just as soon see 'em vaporized as well, and only give 'em lip service for their own parochial purposes. To stir the shit, in other words. Not too different, come to think of it, than what some here like to do.
Well part and parcel of the false narratives that abound in these discussions bubs', this notion that Arabs in general hate Palis.
What the truth of is, is that neighboring Arab countries no more want them than Mexicans want Central Americans in their back yard

Something to remain acutely aware of is prior to the Balfour mess Palestine was predominantly Christian Arab. That's very well documented in pre Great War Rand McNally World Atlases. They were based of course upon Ottoman census reports who were sticklers about these things.
No less than T.E. Laurence of Arabia brought this up in his writings as well.

There is this popular fantasy that Arab equals Muslim. They never have. There was a sizable Christian community under the Ottomans, still is in Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan and yes in Israel.
Before Balfour there was a minority Hebrew community in Palestine.
and in all parts of Arab lands. Yes Hebrew Arabs.

Thing was like other Arabs after awhile they really didn't support this flood of European colonists. Yes that's how they came to be viewed by Arabs regardless of faith.
Here's a fun fact that's brutal to swallow
Yassir Arrafat was raised in a Christian home
didja' know his wife remained a Christian...

Stupid Asshole Americans always want to make this about Islam, it never was, is or will be bubs
worse than that many who ended up dispossessed were fookin' Christians !
Early on the Izzys razed scores of ancient Churches, Palestine was covered with them. Some they didn't dare touch though, same reason why the Dome of the Rock remains standing.

Another fun bit of trivia is quite a number of Arab Hebrews were pretty well chased out too.
I am using the term Hebrew with deliberation in an attempt to separate the groups here as the Arab Hebrews get a bit snitty when you refer to them as Jews.
Understand, since the 40s there has been a rather successful effort to redefine everyone who practices the faith as "Jewish"...it's just more fantasy playing games with words.

Another little example
so a mess of European Jews take over, what do they name their new State ?
Well Israel but here's the quandry...if you are a "Jew" your ancestors were from Judah. Israel was a completely different Kingdom
In my opinion this was a word association game. Christians know well of Israel, Judah not so much. The Judaens were pretty bad assed, they were the Hebrews who fought Nebacanazer and were taken up in the captivity. Israelites agreed to pay Babylonian taxes and thus were spared enslavement.

History means things in these discussions, so does the misuse of words for propaganda effect

I have came to view Gaza and the West Bank as a Reservation system
sort of We can't just murder them all up kind of situation
population density in Gaza is INSANE, used to be the highest on the planet & they continue to breed like rats so it's not at all like they are starving or shit.
Israel is actually rather tolerant of their bullshit in my opinion
I'd likely be less so
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Well part and parcel of the false narratives that abound in these discussions bubs', this notion that Arabs in general hate Palis.
What the truth of is, is that neighboring Arab countries no more want them than Mexicans want Central Americans in their back yard

Something to remain acutely aware of is prior to the Balfour mess Palestine was predominantly Christian Arab. That's very well documented in pre Great War Rand McNally World Atlases. They were based of course upon Ottoman census reports who were sticklers about these things.
No less than T.E. Laurence of Arabia brought this up in his writings as well.

There is this popular fantasy that Arab equals Muslim. They never have. There was a sizable Christian community under the Ottomans, still is in Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan and yes in Israel.
Before Balfour there was a minority Hebrew community in Palestine.
and in all parts of Arab lands. Yes Hebrew Arabs.

Thing was like other Arabs after awhile they really didn't support this flood of European colonists. Yes that's how they came to be viewed by Arabs regardless of faith.
Here's a fun fact that's brutal to swallow
Yassir Arrafat was raised in a Christian home
didja' know his wife remained a Christian...

Stupid Asshole Americans always want to make this about Islam, it never was, is or will be bubs
worse than that many who ended up dispossessed were fookin' Christians !
Early on the Izzys razed scores of ancient Churches, Palestine was covered with them. Some they didn't dare touch though, same reason why the Dome of the Rock remains standing.

Another fun bit of trivia is quite a number of Arab Hebrews were pretty well chased out too.
I am using the term Hebrew with deliberation in an attempt to separate the groups here as the Arab Hebrews get a bit snitty when you refer to them as Jews.
Understand, since the 40s there has been a rather successful effort to redefine everyone who practices the faith as "Jewish"...it's just more fantasy playing games with words.

Another little example
so a mess of European Jews take over, what do they name their new State ?
Well Israel but here's the quandry...if you are a "Jew" your ancestors were from Judah. Israel was a completely different Kingdom
In my opinion this was a word association game. Christians know well of Israel, Judah not so much. The Judaens were pretty bad assed, they were the Hebrews who fought Nebacanazer and were taken up in the captivity. Israelites agreed to pay Babylonian taxes and thus were spared enslavement.

History means things in these discussions, so does the misuse of words for propaganda effect

I have came to view Gaza and the West Bank as a Reservation system
sort of We can't just murder them all up kind of situation
population density in Gaza is INSANE, used to be the highest on the planet & they continue to breed like rats so it's not at all like they are starving or shit.
Israel is actually rather tolerant of their bullshit in my opinion
I'd likely be less so


A lot here, but this one really stands out to me, as in, you got any citations on this at all????

As in, where in the world did you read this?

"Early on the Izzys razed scores of ancient Churches, Palestine was covered with them. Some they didn't dare touch though, same reason why the Dome of the Rock remains standing."""

Razed, as in destroyed them,,scores meaning many,,covered in them, many a lot,,,and for the record,,,

The Dome of the Rock came into possession of Israel in 1967,,,for the very first time,,,and then Moshe gave it over to Jordan,,, like 5 minutes later,,,, And if you go there today, it is fully and completely protected by,,,,wait for it,,,armed Israeli soldiers.

The willful destruction of Churches and or any House of worship, outside the regular rules of combat,,as in,,take fire from a church or hospital by enemy forces,,you drop the place into the dust,, of any faith is so repugnant to our faith as to be laughable to even suggest Israeli/Jewish armed forces would do that.

Even when taking fire from them in the last Gaza ground war, nope, never fired on them.
Same thing, when they fire off rockets into Israel, from these locations, nope, don't fire on them then either.

Again, what source are you getting this shit from.

And as we used to say, it does not have any "face Value" at all, as in, the biggest supporters of Israel are,,,wait for it,,,American Christians.
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The origin of the English word "Jew";



English equivalents used by various chroniclers between the 4th and the 18th century.
Thus, from the Latin “Iudaeus” to the English “Jew” the evolution of these English forms is: “Gyu,” “Giu,” “Iu,” “Iuu,” “Iuw,” “Ieuu,” “Ieuy,” “Iwe,” “Iow,” “Iewe,” “Ieue,” “Iue,” “Ive,” “Iew,” and then, finally, the 18th century, “Jew.”
Similarly, the evolution of the English equivalents for “Jews” is: “Giwis,” “Giws,” “Gyues,” “Gywes,” “Giwes,” “Geus,” “Iuys,” “Iows,” “Iouis,” “Iews,” and then, finally, in the 18th century, “Jews.””
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""“The one who fought/struggled with god”"" is the Hebrew translation, or the best I can give you in English.
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A lot here, but this one really stands out to me, as in, you got any citations on this at all????

As in, where in the world did you read this?

"Early on the Izzys razed scores of ancient Churches, Palestine was covered with them. Some they didn't dare touch though, same reason why the Dome of the Rock remains standing."""

Razed, as in destroyed them,,scores meaning many,,covered in them, many a lot,,,and for the record,,,

The Dome of the Rock came into possession of Israel in 1967,,,for the very first time,,,and then Moshe gave it over to Jordan,,, like 5 minutes later,,,, And if you go there today, it is fully and completely protected by,,,,wait for it,,,armed Israeli soldiers.

The willful destruction of Churches and or any House of worship, outside the regular rules of combat,,as in,,take fire from a church or hospital by enemy forces,,you drop the place into the dust,, of any faith is so repugnant to our faith as to be laughable to even suggest Israeli/Jewish armed forces would do that.

Even when taking fire from them in the last Gaza ground war, nope, never fired on them.
Same thing, when they fire off rockets into Israel, from these locations, nope, don't fire on them then either.

Again, what source are you getting this shit from.

And as we used to say, it does not have any "face Value" at all, as in, the biggest supporters of Israel are,,,wait for it,,,American Christians.
Yes, there were churches all over Palestine. What happened to them was what happened to many Arab homes after they were abandoned...bulldozed my friend. This wasn't done in war time, it was after folks fled.

Where ever did I read about this ?
Try going in a University scale library and read what was actually being reported in the period press
This is hardly some Stormfront crap.

yeah Spot On, American Christians had no shits given
Okay who actually were the Arab Christians there
You had two groups
Catholics however the majority were Eastern Orthodox. Emperor Constatine, well mostly his wife Theodora went on a wholesale building program in Palestine. A few notable Churches survived the razing period largely through the intercession of the Vatican. The many scattered chapels ? Bulldozed.

I suppose part of the back plan was complete destruction so those who had fled would have little reason to return. Other things were done, for example Olive groves were destroyed. You want me to go on, I can.

The US Army did the same when we removed the Navaho Paul
Major part of their lifestyle revolved around the ancient Peach groves in Chaco Canyon. They were cut and burned, I can provide other examples of similar pacifications.

I'm not about to play the poor Arab card, they need to get over this shit and work toward a One State solution in my opinion.
That will NEVER happen building crappy siege rockets in garages and sheds

Like I stated, Israel has remained incredibly tolerant of the mayhem
that said I understand the Palestinian mindset as well the quite a bit of the historical backdrop to all this.
Good buddy is Arab Christian, was raised in Jerusalem. Family still owns their ancestrial home there.

He sees it about as I do, he really cares very little to even visit the nation of his birth. He just loathes the militants saying they just make it worse for everyone.
You would like the guy. He did his stint in the IDF. One of the things he loves most about America is RKBA. Has Galils, Uzis, Izzy pattern FALs
like he states, I could never do this back home.
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Yes, there were churches all over Palestine. What happened to them was what happened to many Arab homes after they were abandoned...bulldozed my friend. This wasn't done in war time, it was after folks fled.

Where ever did I read about this ?
Try going in a University scale library and read what was actually being reported in the period press
This is hardly some Stormfront crap.

yeah Spot On, American Christians had no shits given
Okay who actually were the Arab Christians there
You had two groups
Catholics however the majority were Eastern Orthodox. Emperor Constatine, well mostly his wife Theodora went on a wholesale building program in Palestine. A few notable Churches survived the razing period largely through the intercession of the Vatican. The many scattered chapels ? Bulldozed.

I suppose part of the back plan was complete destruction so those who had fled would have little reason to return. Other things were done, for example Olive groves were destroyed. You want me to go on, I can.

The US Army did the same when we removed the Navaho Paul
Major part of their lifestyle revolved around the ancient Peach groves in Chaco Canyon. They were cut and burned, I can provide other examples of similar pacifications.

I'm not about to play the poor Arab card, they need to get over this shit and work toward a One State solution in my opinion.
That will NEVER happen building crappy siege rockets in garages and sheds

Like I stated, Israel has remained incredibly tolerant of the mayhem
that said I understand the Palestinian mindset as well the quite a bit of the historical backdrop to all this.
Good buddy is Arab Christian, was raised in Jerusalem. Family still owns their ancestrial home there.

He sees it about as I do, he really cares very little to even visit the nation of his birth. He just loathes the militants saying they just make it worse for everyone.
You would like the guy. He did his stint in the IDF. One of the things he loves most about America is RKBA. Has Galils, Uzis, Izzy pattern FALs
like he states, I could never do this back home.
The destruction of numerous, many, churches,,,,I can locate nothing that supports Israel ever did that, actually just the opposite, which this old grunt would not hesitate to do in war, if taking fire from them.

As far as period pieces, news papers and such, well, to say they held a hatred for all things Israel is an understatement, 1948 to mid 1960's, even later, many areas would not even allow Jews to play golf at their clubs or live in their gated communities.

Getting the truth from those times, did not come from period pieces.

The willful wanton destruction of any house of worship is simply alien to Jewish folks.
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The origin of the English word "Jew";



English equivalents used by various chroniclers between the 4th and the 18th century.
Thus, from the Latin “Iudaeus” to the English “Jew” the evolution of these English forms is: “Gyu,” “Giu,” “Iu,” “Iuu,” “Iuw,” “Ieuu,” “Ieuy,” “Iwe,” “Iow,” “Iewe,” “Ieue,” “Iue,” “Ive,” “Iew,” and then, finally, the 18th century, “Jew.”
Similarly, the evolution of the English equivalents for “Jews” is: “Giwis,” “Giws,” “Gyues,” “Gywes,” “Giwes,” “Geus,” “Iuys,” “Iows,” “Iouis,” “Iews,” and then, finally, in the 18th century, “Jews.””
ah' the word games again

Okay let's play some with this:

1st off just a bunch of this was the doing of English theologians around the time of King James. Just a ton of effort was put into researching the Hebrew faith in the lead up to the King James Bible
Problem was practically all the Hebrew materials available were European in nature and all Jewish.

and yeah while Torah has been untampered with their are multiple Talmuds depending on what regional group of Hebrews we are addressing
The English simply collectivized ALL Hebrew folks under the term "Jew"

You and I have Jewish ancestry friend. Mine is Russian based, I'm guessing yours might be English, perhaps even German
Now we have had this little discussion before. Jewish is ethnicity, Hebrew is the faith. I know you take some issues with all that.
It's darkly comical to me how all this evolved

You brought up Latin
Good Job Buddy
See the Romans applied a general label to all Hebrews as well even though many would have debated all that depending on ancestry/tribe

Damn' Romans did this regularly to broad groups of peoples
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The destruction of numerous, many, churches,,,,I can locate nothing that supports Israel ever did that, actually just the opposite, which this old grunt would not hesitate to do in war, if taking fire from them.

As far as period pieces, news papers and such, well, to say they held a hatred for all things Israel is an understatement, 1948 to mid 1960's, even later, many areas would not even allow Jews to play golf at their clubs or live in their gated communities.

Getting the truth from those times, did not come from period pieces.

The willful wanton destruction of any house of worship is simply alien to Jewish folks.
Well period newsprint isn't nearly as biased as "Jewish" websites either friend. At the time this was all reported rather in a matter a fact nature, no real attempt to incite anything as no one had shits given over Eastern Orthodox Chapels.

Again, the razing wasn't combat related
It occurred after folks fled before they had a chance to even try to return home
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Well period newsprint isn't nearly as biased as "Jewish" websites either friend. At the time this was all reported rather in a matter a fact nature, no real attempt to incite anything as no one had shits given over Eastern Orthodox Chapels.

Again, the razing wasn't combat related
It occurred after folks fled before they had a chance to even try to return home
Well, I just found a single reference to what you're saying about the destruction of Christian churches in Israel by Jews.

They had a nice long list, about 20 or so.

The only problem,,,,,,,many/most are still standing, open to the public and conducting services weekly,,,, one burned down, the site says Jews did it, the church itself says, the preacher set it on fire by accident, with a propane torch while stripping paint off some wood work, several were destroyed, after the local church sold them to land developers, because they had no membership large enough to keep the lights on.

One they listed as destroyed by the evil Jew, in Jerusalem, was still standing last time I was there, because it was beside my hotel.

You've got a citation on this, I'd like to see it,,because after checking, even the most ardent haters of Israel makes no claims to this on their web sites. And they claim everything!

Claiming building were destroyed, is easily checked by listed name of the church, and when I did that, damn it, most were still standing and open to the public,,,,or,,,,were sold off and made into parking lots.

So, in that case, Jews did destroy old church buildings, but only after they bought the things.

This reminds me of all the stories of Arab lands being stolen by Jews, but when one goes and checks, turns out, the land was sold to Jews by the Arabs.
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Stupid Asshole Americans always want to make this about Islam, it never was, is or will be bubs
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Nowhere have I mentioned muzzies with respect to the Palis. Except to suggest that they have made common cause with them insofar as extermination of Israel is concerned, which of course they have.
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Nowhere have I mentioned muzzies with respect to the Palis. Except to suggest that they have made common cause with them insofar as extermination of Israel is concerned, which of course they have.
That Torpedo wasn't launched at you, I don't see you as either stupid or an asshole bubs'
I apologize you took it that way. My bad for not being more clear
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She worked for the PLO, supported all of the PLO's positions, that of,,, kill all Jews,,,and her daddy was a founder of the PLO, responsible for the murder of Americans and Jews.

This enough for you????
Interesting. The Geller report seems have a pretty harsh opinion of her. I still didn't see/hear any quotes where she called for killing anyone.

And oddly enough....she's Christian, not Muslim, so I'm not sure why all the deflection to our current Democrat Islamic women.

I guess if I was afraid she might change some minds over here, I'd want to keep her out, too.

(well, not really - the best thing a guy could do is maybe get her in a debate with Ben Shapiro, or some other sharp dude that can expose her ideological weaknesses, and let everyone see what she is.)
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Well considering that Pam Geller is jewish, thats not surprising there Ted! Her hate for all things Arab is cultural - it's her mission to attack that which might be muslim. She's even banned from certain European countries, because of the fevour centres around her. A person's name in the states says little generally about the history attached it - but not always!
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Well, I just found a single reference to what you're saying about the destruction of Christian churches in Israel by Jews.

They had a nice long list, about 20 or so.

The only problem,,,,,,,many/most are still standing, open to the public and conducting services weekly,,,, one burned down, the site says Jews did it, the church itself says, the preacher set it on fire by accident, with a propane torch while stripping paint off some wood work, several were destroyed, after the local church sold them to land developers, because they had no membership large enough to keep the lights on.

One they listed as destroyed by the evil Jew, in Jerusalem, was still standing last time I was there, because it was beside my hotel.

You've got a citation on this, I'd like to see it,,because after checking, even the most ardent haters of Israel makes no claims to this on their web sites. And they claim everything!

Claiming building were destroyed, is easily checked by listed name of the church, and when I did that, damn it, most were still standing and open to the public,,,,or,,,,were sold off and made into parking lots.

So, in that case, Jews did destroy old church buildings, but only after they bought the things.

This reminds me of all the stories of Arab lands being stolen by Jews, but when one goes and checks, turns out, the land was sold to Jews by the Arabs.
Okay, some points:

Let me start this part of our dialogue by noting one of the Great Fallacies of the current era.
The notion that EVERYTHING can be found somewhere ONLINE
Please don't fall for that kiddie dogma friend
It's truly a tiring thing

Actually the Internet presents merely the tip of the Iceberg on most topics, worse yet...it's often presented by an extreme faction of Polar Opposite views

Such is this matter reduced to
Nobody bothers to research this as it simply serves no real faction
Again as I stated initially the predominant Christian sect was always Eastern Orthodox once you left the walls of Jerusalem which only became Catholic AFTER Europeans established a Kingdom there during the Crusades.
The rest largely remained Byzantine Christian into the modern era.
Sad truth is Western Christianity again had no shits given regarding the Eastern branch of the Church or for that matter any African or Asian branch of the faith.

Want a couple of examples more of what I am speaking to ?
Look at the situation with Coptics and Chaldean Christians. Those are Ancient branches of the Church as is the form of the faith in Ethiopia.
Violence against Coptic Churches & peoples is massive in Egypt right now
Little coverage of it though
Ethiopians suffered the same shit prior to WWII from the Italians. The Vatican didn't say boo about it did they...
Chaldean Christians & Jews had lived in a society of general tolerance in Mesopotamia/Iraq under Islamic majority rule right up to Dumbya overthrowing Saddam.
Jews were lucky to flee to Israel
Iraqi Christians ?
Shit many here just see them as Goat Rapers

My point is Western Europe & the Americas view Christianity as being comprised only of the Vatican and Protestant denominations. Eastern branches ? Church folk stick their collective heads in the sands of history.

This is a big part of why you are unable to find much data online
You would need to go back to Ottoman Era census data to get the number of Churches, Chapels and monastaries numbered out pre 48'
Of course I should toss in another reason why surrounding nations really didn't care to take in Palestinians even though it should be obvious now...faith wise they were a mixed grab bag of peoples, just a mess of Christians intermixed with Islamics. A large number of mixed faith families.
Muslim Arabs saw the Christians as really not their problem.
Western Christian viewed them simply as Arabs
Talk about being caught between a Rock and a Hard Place huh'

Hey we are in agreement on the land claims
prior to 48' European Jews bought plenty of land from Arabs but post 48' when folks fled and abandoned their homes, villages, Churches, etc it became vacant property and it didn't take long at all before shit was being bulldozed
Even then Israel did make efforts to buy these properties but you also have to be aware plenty of the displaced were tenant farmer types for the actual land owning Arabs.

My Arab buddy brought this up, his family owned some decent sized tracts of land they sold off in the 50s & 60s, made pretty good bank on it too. That windfall was invested in America...mostly urban Liquor Stores.
The Arabs who had worked for them ?
Well mostly unemployed, no severance...find a new job time
most did.

It's all plenty complicated, hardly the case of the poor Palestinian Jewish whipping boy but in the end non Jewish Israelis are pretty much second class citizens in that Socialist Theocracy.
This is slowly changing though
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Well considering that Pam Geller is jewish, thats not surprising there Ted! Her hate for all things Arab is cultural - it's her mission to attack that which might be muslim. She's even banned from certain European countries, because of the fevour centres around her. A person's name in the states says little generally about the history attached it - but not always!
Understood, but I won't let that get in my way of deciding if she has a valid point. Too many folks resort to that cop-out when they don't like what someone has to say.

If Joe Stalin said cancer kills, Joe is right. I can accept that...but it would be easy to say:

"you can't believe anything that commie pos says". That's how liberals, SJWs, and others shut down dialogue, and escape the substance of what's being said. Kinda funny, really. Afraid of a girl....
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Understood, but I won't let that get in my way of deciding if she has a valid point. Too many folks resort to that cop-out when they don't like what someone has to say.

If Joe Stalin said cancer kills, Joe is right. I can accept that...but it would be easy to say:

"you can't believe anything that commie pos says". That's how liberals, SJWs, and others shut down dialogue, and escape the substance of what's being said. Kinda funny, really. Afraid of a girl....
True enough that
Great example was AOC blasting the CEO of Gillead Pharmacuticals the other day over Truvada ? costs
Stateside it's close to two grand a month, Australia it's just eight bucks a pill for the Generic. This is one of the new HIV meds
The vid on the hearings is worth a watch, the wacko Dems tore the prick a new asshole. Prick's only real defense was it's still under patent protection in America.
Now the terminally fooked thing is it isn't patients paying this outrage, it's mostly paid for by Obamacare and Gillead has bilked the government for billions now when you fold in the fact that it was developed with taxpayer bucks and the Corp managed to privatize what should have been a public patent in the first place.
They have now slashed the price.

Same shit is going on with Hep C treatment, we can cure it now in most cases and yeah Obamacare will cover the outrageous costs of the new medications. It's pretty cheap everywhere but America.
before any Jackass starts in on the drugs and sex drama C mostly seems to have originated in SE Asia. Number of Vets came back with it from tainted transfusions. The national blood supply wasn't even screened for it until like the early 80s ?

bunch of shit like this in Pharma

Just saying even crazy Cortez can come up with valid things, I don't dismiss anyone right out of hand on everything.

yeah I had read before that Palestinian broad is Christian Arab, was waiting to see if anyone else would catch that Ted.
How full bore a nutter she is I can not even comment upon, never really followed her antics.

I just do an eye roll over how often the media seems to omit faith leaving it up to the public to make sometimes completely wrong assumptions.
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The reason why meds are cheaper in other countries, is that the Govt's there, like CANADA, susbsidize the end cost to their consumer; and then the corrupt pharmacies pass the savings on to Americans who order the stuff, like they were citizens of that country.

All Drugs sold here, come not from the Big Pharma Corporations, but from middle man distributors, who then sell to the big Drug chains.

List Prices set by the Drug Maker are negotiated down by the Middle Men Distributors, who buy the pills. The pills are then purchased...AGAIN AFTER NEGOTIATION ON PRICES............to Walgreens, Walmart, etc etc. Middle men make huge profits.

Now Medicaid and Medicare also enter the picture.

The Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services is a Fed Agency, and they set prices that will be paid by their Agency, thru the middle men, to Walgreens, etc.
States also have agreements on the prices that will be paid too, as their share of the medicaid drug costs affect their bottom line too.

Everyone is in the drug price situation, regulating things, including the famous EPI PEN. No one wants to make it..........no one. So there are maybe two mfs who make it and not very reliably. The high cost reflects low production difficulties, as the stuff has a shelf life of only 18 months.

The entire complaints over buying food or paying the rent instead of buying prescriptions is true, but when you only make $750/mo on Medicare Disability, well you are fucked...the gov't will not give it to you free.
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The reason why meds are cheaper in other countries, is that the Govt's there, like CANADA, susbsidize the end cost to their consumer; and then the corrupt pharmacies pass the savings on to Americans who order the stuff, like they were citizens of that country.

All Drugs sold here, come not from the Big Pharma Corporations, but from middle man distributors, who then sell to the big Drug chains.

List Prices set by the Drug Maker are negotiated down by the Middle Men Distributors, who buy the pills. The pills are then purchased...AGAIN AFTER NEGOTIATION ON PRICES............to Walgreens, Walmart, etc etc. Middle men make huge profits.

Now Medicaid and Medicare also enter the picture.

The Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services is a Fed Agency, and they set prices that will be paid by their Agency, thru the middle men, to Walgreens, etc.
States also have agreements on the prices that will be paid too, as their share of the medicaid drug costs affect their bottom line too.

Everyone is in the drug price situation, regulating things, including the famous EPI PEN. No one wants to make it..........no one. So there are maybe two mfs who make it and not very reliably. The high cost reflects low production difficulties, as the stuff has a shelf life of only 18 months.

The entire complaints over buying food or paying the rent instead of buying prescriptions is true, but when you only make $750/mo on Medicare Disability, well you are fucked...the gov't will not give it to you free.
meh'
mostly fantasy V

Okay for decades Canucks have been able to walk in and buy low level Narcotics off the shelf dirt cheap just as you can in most nations
Here we are forced to go to a clinic, get a permission slip then pay like 800% more for mostly the same shit.

Nobody subsidizes that
It's over the counter
and don't get me started on Hospital charges for Pharma
I about exploded the last time moms was in there
15 bucks a pop for baby Asprin
dad thought they were going to call the Popo on me, I was Damn' loud & proud, rather vulgar with the Doc and billing staff

Do you seriously think foreign nations have their own pill mills producing generics ? FANTASY brother
much of it's third world making

One thing we need to do is remove the DEA from any and all process
Second stop the privatization of what should remain public patents. When tax payers fund the bulk of the research and development it's not your patent
I detest Corporate Welfare
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