Israel gives Hamas 36-hours ultimatum before starting major offensive

[juanni]

Originally Posted by 308bolt

Ah, furball post parsing.
Not going playing Buckwheat.
There is no "divine law".
You're beliefs are bullshit.

Yeah, it is a sticky mess trying to make sense of the preachins from Mt Carmel Corn.

In summary...
Any law worth obeying is written by God.
And God only wrote laws that have consequences in the hereafter.
And murder is against God's law, cuz it has consequences in the hereafter.
But killing people, for example who practice human sacrifice is just killing, not murder and has no consequences in the hereafter.
And since they are now dead you can take their stuff.
And VonGoofball knows what does and doesn't have consequences in the hereafter,, with God and all.


I can see it can pay big financial dividends before the hereafter to know the finer points of what God will or won't tally.





..............juanni

[VonFireball]

There is no "divine law".

Then there is no right and wrong, according to your beliefs. If there is no right and wrong then it follows there is no truth. If there is no truth there is only truth "to me (you)". Therefore you live in utter confusion; babylon.

You're beliefs are bullshit.

You don't believe in divine law, therefore there is not truth; no absolutes. Therefore my beliefs are as valid as yours. More so actually, because they are mine. Your own beliefs in regard to this matter (your "truths") are what condemn your beliefs as lies. Quite amusing really.

Any law worth obeying is written by God.

All divine law is listed in the bible. That doesn't mean human laws aren't worth obeying so you've taken me out of context. Still, I won't go to hell for having a rifle with a 10 inch barrel however I can fall under judgement for possessing such an item, the jury can find me guilty. However, the judge can't send me to hell. He is mortal, not divine. He dies, God lives, he is the living God.

And God only wrote laws that have consequences in the hereafter.

Also out of context. God's law can have consequences in both this world or the next; they are divine. Man's law can only have consequences in this world, not the next; they are not divine.

But killing people, for example who practice human sacrifice is just killing, not murder and has no consequences in the hereafter.

Exactly. Putting Ted Bundy in ol' sparky and throwing the lever isn't murder, it's killing and in his killing justice is served. Justice was served when canaanite heads were smashed in. Justice was served when the spaniards routed the mexican natives. Their cultures weren't worthy of continued existence. Their transgressions had reached the point of no return. Now we live in a world where human sacrifice does not exist on a national scale any longer. Only a dimwit would consider that a bad thing. Only a fool would think there would be consequences for that in the hereafter.

And since they are now dead you can take their stuff.

Duh.

And VonGoofball knows what does and doesn't have consequences in the hereafter,, with God and all.

Anyone can know, it's clearly written. Sadly for you, even most children grasp these concepts. Simply because you and bolt don't believe it doesn't make it not so. What is truly interesting is that you and bolt are denying any divine law which only leads to the logical conclusion that within you and other men lies the ultimate authority. If there is no supreme authority above us then it follows that you are your own gods. A satanic/new age principle. Therefore, when evil men rule it is not evil at all, but your version of divine law, and you should obey it, because men are the ultimate authority. However, deep down you know there are absolute standards of right and wrong. You would likely agree on most of these divine laws but you deny the source from whence these laws emanate. That is the essence of ignorance.

[brunop]

Originally Posted by RomanLeaderII

I find it interesting and disingenous that you refer to the Clash of Civilizations between Native Americans and Western Europeans as one similar to the Israeli/Muslim/ Arab conflict. They are both different and clearly distinct historically or otherwise...

I didn't say the conflict was the same. I said (and I quote myself), "...the United States government treats (treated) Native Americans the same way as Israel treats Palestinians - we just did it 150 years ago when there was no CNN". I'm well versed in the historical record in both "conflicts", and I'm aware that it's not exactly the same.

On the other hand, I could answer this way...

"Clash of Civilizations" is different how?

Western Europeans came and started living on land that Native Americans had been living on for a long time. There were conflicts with Bad Things done by both sides (is this starting to sound familiar?).

Then the Western Americans got to be a big enough group of people, that they created a government and claimed the land as theirs. They made the Natives move off of land that they had been living on for a LONG time. More fighting. (This. Again.)

When the Native Americans struck at outlying settlers (familiar, right?) with hit-and-run tactics, the response was great in terms of force, and ugly in terms of the unfocused nature of the violence against those crazed red men and their women and children. "The only good Indian is dead."

Marginalized and defeated, the Native American can join the American European culture (which I'm part of, and think is superior to other societies on this planet), or he can sit on the Res and do nothing. But there are all kinds of parallels in this history.

VFB - you asked if Native Americans strapped bombs to their kids and sent them to kill our people. The answer to this is, "Yes." While bomb vests hadn't been invented yet, the American Native was well-versed from a very young age in the arts of sneak attacks, counting coup, and the behavior of a "raiding party". Young men made attacks on wagon trains, small communities, and lone farms. This is part of the history, and it is moderately well documented.

[brunop]

Originally Posted by juanni

Nope, but doubtful they make a 100...


When the US reserve currency status collapses...... Israel's days are numbered.
It's population base is simply too small to support the military spending and technology required to hold off the hoards.
Std of living will decline, taxes will become oppressive, daily life will become more grim >>> the best and brightest will leave for greener pastures and better opportunities.



...........juanni

I don't want to get involved in the VFB defense of Israel, since I wouldn't structure my contribution to the conversation the way he has built his, but I agree with him that Israel (my political proxy for the Jewish people) is supported by God. There are many intelligent people here who don't share that faith, which is perfectly fine, of course. I don't think it is very easy to create foreign policy on the basis of the Christian faith ("Let's support Israel no matter what..."), so I don't expect people to get 'behind' this.

But Israel will make it. One way or another they will make it - and they don't need the US petro-dollar to do it any longer. They're far enough along to keep the hoards back for a while. And when it looks grim, they'll get some unseen help.

[gates]

IMHO - you have to look at the trends, Europe is being out bred by Muslims that come from countries that they conquered in their quest for empire - too bad for them - however, the SAME thing is happening in the U.S. with illegal immigration from Mexico - the current admin. WANT'S their vote's - and they got them!

Things are going to change - soon - and you better have your "big boy panties" on when they do.

[brunop]

Originally Posted by JasonB

So since 2006 is a lot handier than MMVI we should throw our support to what makes Arabs happy?

This is stupid, and a red herring.

If a person were to read my two posts on the subject at hand, and they could understand at a sixth or seventh-grade reading level, they would see that I said two things:

1) Israel is a political proxy for the Jewish people, who have done a LOT for the world at large

2) Israel is not that helpful as a nation, since I'm not buying the 'Good Guy versus Bad Guy' model of world politics


Or didn't you read anything beyond a first sentence?

[JasonB]

Originally Posted by brunop

This is stupid, and a red herring.

If a person were to read my two posts on the subject at hand, and they could understand at a sixth or seventh-grade reading level, they would see that I said two things:

1) Israel is a political proxy for the Jewish people, who have done a LOT for the world at large

2) Israel is not that helpful as a nation, since I'm not buying the 'Good Guy versus Bad Guy' model of world politics


Or didn't you read anything beyond a first sentence?

Talk down to gman (who got the same out of your post) and then get back to me.

[JasonB]

Just when you think you have seen it all, thieves, rapists, and murderers get a free pass since they claimed they were doing it for the Lord.

[juanni]

Originally Posted by JasonB

Just when you think you have seen it all, thieves, rapists, and murderers get a free pass since they claimed they were doing it for the Lord.

Yep, doing God's work has never been so fun......and profitable.


Beats peddlin' a Mormon issue bike, with Mormon issue backpack all over some hellhole handing out literature.




...............juanni

[JasonB]

So Von, how do you have time to post on here? Between knocking your wife up every 9-10 months give or take and reconning/killing those who aren't active in a church of your liking (and of course lifting their shit that you want after) it must be a very hectic schedule.

[martin35]

Comments from those here who have no point of reference for what it is like to fight for survival brings out some of the least qualified of opinions,,, in my opinion.
When Israel was reborn as a sovereign nation after the dissolution of the Palestinian Partition, the borders were established by the ruling occupiers who were more Arabist than Zionist.
The regional religious leader of that time was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who predicted every crime known to man would be visited on Muslims by Jews, he called for what today is termed Jihad or Infedtada.
Those conditions present at Israels birth still exist today unchanged and with just as much menace as ever in Jewish history.
Jews are born with a plebiscite to survive all the worlds daily demonstrated efforts to eradicate them,,, Muslims have a clear plebiscite to destroy Israel even at the cost of their own lives,,, that done they have a similar writ for the destruction the "great Satan" and all infidels
Those who cry about war can't and don't want to see the need of any nation to fight for a right to exist or aid others in that right,, you few here know who I mean because you post the same type of cockeyed defamatory aspersions time after time.

[JasonB]

Originally Posted by martin35

Comments from those here who have no point of reference for what it is like to fight for survival brings out some of the least qualified of opinions,,, in my opinion.
When Israel was reborn as a sovereign nation after the dissolution of the Palestinian Partition, the borders were established by the ruling occupiers who were more Arabist than Zionist.
The regional religious leader of that time was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who predicted every crime known to man would be visited on Muslims by Jews, he called for what today is termed Jihad or Infedtada.
Those conditions present at Israels birth still exist today unchanged and with just as much menace as ever in Jewish history.
Jews are born with a plebiscite to survive all the worlds daily demonstrated efforts to eradicate them,,, Muslims have a clear plebiscite to destroy Israel even at the cost of their own lives,,, that done they have a similar writ for the destruction the "great Satan" and all infidels
Those who cry about war can't and don't want to see the need of any nation to fight for a right to exist or aid others in that right,, you few here know who I mean because you post the same type of cockeyed defamatory aspersions time after time.

So go help them fight Martin. The amount of time you spend on here talking about your ass and bowel movements could be much better spent according to your own standards.

[martin35]

Originally Posted by JasonB

So go help them fight Martin. The amount of time you spend on here talking about your ass and bowel movements could be much better spent according to your own standards.

I thought I saw you right after a bowel movement,,, so I flushed you,,, and the necessary paper work,

[JasonB]

Originally Posted by martin35

I thought I saw you right after a bowel movement,,, so I flushed you,,, and the necessary paper work,

How witty!

So once again, you like getting involved in other peoples' issues so why aren't you over there?

[VonFireball]

So once again, you like getting involved in other peoples' issues so why aren't you over there?

A non-jew immigrating to Israel is pretty much a no go so it's not really an option. Also, Martin is too old to serve but I bet he'd kick your ass!

[JasonB]

Originally Posted by VonFireball

A non-jew immigrating to Israel is pretty much a no go so it's not really an option. Also, Martin is too old to serve but I bet he'd kick your ass!

Too old to serve what? And I didn't say anything about him trying to get Israeli citizenship either.

[VonFireball]

Too old to serve what? And I didn't say anything about him trying to get Israeli citizenship either.

Martin is too old to serve but I bet he'd kick your ass!

[JasonB]

Originally Posted by VonFireball

Martin is too old to serve but I bet he'd kick your ass!

Once again, too old to serve what?

[VonFireball]

Once again, too old to serve what?

Once again, Martin is too old to serve but I bet he'd kick your ass!

[martin35]

Originally Posted by JasonB

How witty!

So once again, you like getting involved in other peoples' issues so why aren't you over there?

That's a stupid contentious troll's question.

I was over "there" long before you were born in all likelihood, if you had spent part of your life in a man's world you might know how to deal with ribald banter,,,, instead of trolling like a precocious adolescent.

You and one or two others here seem not to have developed a sense of what friends and allies owe each other.

Having achieved your goal of inserting nontopical insults I will ask a question of you pertainig to the threads subject,,, are you trying to celebrate a victory with Hamas?

[JasonB]

Originally Posted by VonFireball

Once again, Martin is too old to serve but I bet he'd kick your ass!

Too old to serve what? As a fluffer in a gay whorehouse? Too old for what Von?

[JasonB]

Originally Posted by martin35

That's a stupid contentious troll's question.

I was over "there" long before you were born in all likelihood, if you had spent part of your life in a man's world you might know how to deal with ribald banter,,,, instead of trolling like a precocious adolescent.

You and one or two others here seem not to have developed a sense of what friends and allies owe each other.

Having achieved your goal of inserting nontopical insults I will ask a question of you pertainig to the threads subject,,, are you trying to celebrate a victory with Hamas?

You served in Israel? Tell us when please.

Friends and allies? So(assuming you have any) you go spying on your friends and allies down in Texas? Keep asking for handouts for the same issue from those friends for decades? Ever have one of those friends/allies catch you looking over their fence or rifling through their belongings?


I am not on either side of the issue, I haven't browbeat others for not wanting to join in on either side, nor have I advocated foreign welfare payments which means US citizens were taxed to pay for it....kind of like Heat (I think that is the member) claiming domestic welfare is so dreadfully important, but apparently he hasn't went all in considering it seems he still has a dime left to his name so it would seem welfare advocates resolve stops at wanting others to foot the bill for their pet cause.

[martin35]

Jasonb, communication with you resolves any ambivalence on my part in trying to help resolve your feelings of manly inadequacy when others display those attributes,,, sadly without the opportunity to use manual manipulation you invoke no such inclination in me,,, there is no mutual benefit to our exchnges, try to have a good life.

[JasonB]

Originally Posted by martin35

Jasonb, communication with you resolves any ambivalence on my part in trying to help resolve your feelings of manly inadequacy when others display those attributes,,, sadly without the opportunity to use manual manipulation you invoke no such inclination in me,,, there is no mutual benefit to our exchnges, try to have a good life.

You are the one always talking about your ass. One of your latest was a day or so after the election when you complained about it hurting and I asked if you had made it to the main activity of your area Log Cabin losers party this time while you were only a fluffer for the same event in 2008.

You are also the one advocating setting foot in other countries armed to bend them to your will. So why aren't you over there bossing those Palestinians around at gunpoint Martin?