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Old August 31, 2017, 21:13   #1
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1944 Sten Mk II Long Branch***added pistol grip pics

Edited to add:I bought a pistol grip replacement for the stock from Stenparts.com, along with a replacement spring set last week. The grip needed a bit of fitting but it works good now and really gives the old girl a different look. I haven't shot it with the pistol grip yet though. I got a few pics today before dark.

I acquired this gun in 2004. It was given to me by a friend, and the transfer took from August 18 to October 31 of that year. It was originally built for the Nationalist Chinese Army in 1944 at the Long Branch Ontario works. I also have one of the "T-shaped" stocks that came along in the deal but I like the "loop" style better. The selector for semi-auto firing doesn't work but hey, it's a sub-machine gun ain't it? Who needs semi-auto?

I have quite a few magazines for the gun and most importantly, the loading tool to go with them. It is impossible to load more than a few rounds without that tool; if I had been in combat with one of these, that loader would've been on a lanyard around my neck! I thought some folks might like a look at the Sten so I pulled her out of the safe today for a few photos.












































"Ode to a Sten Gun" by Gunner S.N. Teed


You wicked piece of vicious tin!
Call you a gun? Don't make me grin.
You're just a bloated piece of pipe.
You couldn't hit a hunk of tripe.
But when you're with me in the night,
I'll tell you pal, you're just alright!

Each day I wipe you free of dirt.
Your dratted corners tear my shirt.
I cuss at you and call you names,
You're much more trouble than my dames.
But boy, do I love to hear you yammer
When you 're spitting lead in a business manner.

You conceited pile of salvage junk.
I think this prowess talk is bunk.
Yet if I want a wall of lead
Thrown at some Jerry's head
It is to you I raise my hat;
You're a damn good pal...
You silly gat!
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Old September 01, 2017, 06:28   #2
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That things is awesome! Sten guns have always been a favorite of mine, thanks for sharing
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Old September 01, 2017, 08:53   #3
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That things is awesome! Sten guns have always been a favorite of mine, thanks for sharing
Thank you much, and you are welcome of course! I'm glad that you like the old warhorse.
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Great pics of a nice historical piece!

I have never handled an original STEN, the one I did shoot was a friend's homebuilt on a form 1 years ago...that thing just wouldn't run right.....not sure what he screwed up on it.
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Nice. I wouldn't worry much about the selector,.....it's a Sten. Even when the selector 'works' the gun occasionally throws singles on 'full' and bursts on 'semi'. It's just part of the crude trigger mechanism. The selector is not much more than a mode suggestion.
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Great pics of a nice historical piece!

I have never handled an original STEN, the one I did shoot was a friend's homebuilt on a form 1 years ago...that thing just wouldn't run right.....not sure what he screwed up on it.
Thanks a lot! I have a copy of the original (?) British Army manual for Stens and it clearly states NOT to use any oil in the action. It seems the receiver tube is just un-tempered steel and it was decided that dirt and debris stuck to oil would wear excessively.

This Sten does run really well and I've only had one or two jams that I suspect were mag related. The magazines do have a bit of wiggle but I believe that's due to past firing with the gun held incorrectly by the magazine. I don't think it would be hard to tighten them up a bit but it isn't that big of an issue.

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Nice. I wouldn't worry much about the selector,.....it's a Sten. Even when the selector 'works' the gun occasionally throws singles on 'full' and bursts on 'semi'. It's just part of the crude trigger mechanism. The selector is not much more than a mode suggestion.
Thanks kev! I don't worry about at all. I wouldn't think that would be too hard to fix though if one was so inclined. It does have a couple other issues that would be nice to put right. Several years ago I spoke with John Andrewski in New Hampshire about a little work but I just hate to ship the gun.

Again, thanks for everyone's interest and nice comments!
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Man that's COOL, thanks for sharing Tex!
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Man that's COOL, thanks for sharing Tex!
Thanks a lot HDH! Glad you like her sir.
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Reminds me of a korean conflict vet whom I knew many moons ago that had a "sten" he brought home from there. It was a chinese made copy with an odd flashhider. Condition rough. Chest puch with chink writing...serviceable. Magazines all had no finish. I fired it with "smith & wesson" marked 9mm ball that had the green laquer water proofing in plain jane white boxes back in the early 80's. That beat up old rusty in and out tube thingy spit them out without a hitch. Ah those were the days.
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Reminds me of a korean conflict vet whom I knew many moons ago that had a "sten" he brought home from there. It was a chinese made copy with an odd flashhider. Condition rough. Chest puch with chink writing...serviceable. Magazines all had no finish. I fired it with "smith & wesson" marked 9mm ball that had the green laquer water proofing in plain jane white boxes back in the early 80's. That beat up old rusty in and out tube thingy spit them out without a hitch. Ah those were the days.
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Wow, a non-tube original Sten is petty cool!! A buddy of mine has tube gun that is fun to shoot. I have never seen a "real" one. Probably worth quite a bit more than a tube gun. Oh, and the days of $2000 Stens are long gone!!

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This Sten belonged to a shooting friend who bought it back around '87 or so. He did a little wallpaper work on the side and was doing a job at our house in the summer of 2004. I had shot the gun before, out at my farm, and asked him if he still had it. He said he did and was thinking about "giving" it to the ATF! "Why would you do that?" I asked. He had two sons, in their teens, and he said he didn't want to leave that Sten to them if something happened to him. He was afraid they'd get in trouble with it. He said he would give it to anyone if they would handle the transfer. I told him I would take it off his hands! .

Within a week or so, I had the transfer papers in the mail. The cost of the transfer and the fingerprints and photo are all I have in it. If I do send it to the Andrewskis, I think I'll need to get it appraised in order to insure it for the shipping. Wonder what they're selling for today?
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This Sten belonged to a shooting friend who bought it back around '87 or so. He did a little wallpaper work on the side and was doing a job at our house in the summer of 2004. I had shot the gun before, out at my farm, and asked him if he still had it. He said he did and was thinking about "giving" it to the ATF! "Why would you do that?" I asked. He had two sons, in their teens, and he said he didn't want to leave that Sten to them if something happened to him. He was afraid they'd get in trouble with it. He said he would give it to anyone if they would handle the transfer. I told him I would take it off his hands! .

Within a week or so, I had the transfer papers in the mail. The cost of the transfer and the fingerprints and photo are all I have in it. If I do send it to the Andrewskis, I think I'll need to get it appraised in order to insure it for the shipping. Wonder what they're selling for today?
Real Canuck Long Branch guns are the cream of MkII STENs & there are not many of them out there.
Probably well over 10K in todays C&R market
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Real Canuck Long Branch guns are the cream of MkII STENs & there are not many of them out there.
Probably well over 10K in todays C&R market
Thanks for the info RSS!
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Rubin Mendolia has a reparkerized BSA currently on his site listed slightly over 10K
I'd rate yours a bit higher as a Long Branch mfg though some will whine about the Nationalist Chinese markings under the magazine well.

Chances are the springs are developing a set accounting for the disconecctor failing. Lee Tool sells new spring sets pretty cheap, 10% more strength @ $19.00
real basic business to swap in and respring

http://www.leetoolandmachine.com/springs.html

I'd dump your magazine loader and pick up one for the AUSTEN
the clip on units "work" but the box type with lever are much better
IMA has repro brass ring types cheap enough
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Great info, thanks again! I may sure get one of those spring sets, why not give the old girl a "boost" if I can? Yeah, I've seen those loaders at IMA before. Might be worth getting that too.
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Great info, thanks again! I may sure get one of those spring sets, why not give the old girl a "boost" if I can? Yeah, I've seen those loaders at IMA before. Might be worth getting that too.
The Long Branch guns are real Caddilacs of MkII STENs

Not a whole lot of them saw use in WWII but a mess were in the contract to Chian Ki Sheck's forces

Better quality steel then the war time brit guns, much better attention to detail being they were built by an actual Arsenal. During the war the English subcontracted parts out everywhere. BSA for example only assembled parts produced in garages and bike shops, etc for the most part.
about the worst of the STENs were the Israeli built ones. Mess of them were built in underground workshops from whatever steel they could source.

This also impacts magazines
Long Branch mags are wonderful
There are also very nice Finnish made mags with the SA acceptance mark.
not sure on the back story on them as the Brits regarded the Finns as an Axis power during WWII. Probably a post war deal
UK mags vary widely

Izzy, Paki and Hindi mags are generally to be avoided

anyways your welcome, you have a beautiful example of the breed
likely a Korean War bring back
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I love the Chinese markings on that STEN. Pretty cool.

My Mk. II (JAC tube gun) has Hebrew markings on the magwell.
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anyways your welcome, you have a beautiful example of the breed
likely a Korean War bring back
Thank you sir! I pulled my Form 4 out of the safe and notice that the importer is listed as William M. York, York Arms Co. Hurricane, Utah. Any significance for that?
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I love the Chinese markings on that STEN. Pretty cool.

My Mk. II (JAC tube gun) has Hebrew markings on the magwell.
Thanks, appreciate that.
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Thank you sir! I pulled my Form 4 out of the safe and notice that the importer is listed as William M. York, York Arms Co. Hurricane, Utah. Any significance for that?
Uh' yeah Tex...

York was a totally wild MFer'...really pissed the shit out of ATF back in the 80s
one of his offerings was his infamous Sputter Gun
See Bill was of the opinion he could build STENs and by omitting the trigger he could legally sell SMgs as 4473 normal firearms...

Naw ATF didn't see it that way, neither did DOJ
Federal law defines a MG as a firearm that discharges more than one round per single function of the trigger...Bill reasoned, no trigger...not a MG
DOJ basically held your hand pulling back and releasing the bolt became a defacto "trigger"

If it's a York Arms gun it's likely not C&R. He built a small hot mess of STENs pre 86. He used to sell NOS Long Branch STEN mags dirt cheap in SGN, like under a buck by the hundred lot. I bought piles from him in the 70s, sold them at shows when I was still in High School for like $2 each...clean 100% profit.

After his bust much of his goodies ended up with AAOK out of Nevada, Henderson I think.

I don't know if Bill was an active importer pre 68' but for it to be C&R it would have had to came in before the GCA. Are there any markings on the tube assigning it to York Arms production ?

Seem to recall a discussion with an older buddy many years ago that York's stock was purchased from the Taiwanese Government for scrap Iron prices.
Besides AAOK, some of Bills buddies were involved with CATCO, another pre 86' STEN Mfg. out of Nevada.

EVEN if it IS a York rebuild it's still likely a 7K plus piece
a tidy profit on a simple $200 transfer job
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Very interesting indeed!

"Are there any markings on the tube assigning it to York Arms production ?"

Nope, nothing on the gun except the markings I show in the pics. The info on the form 4 is the only mention of York. Is is possible that he imported the gun intact as it is now?
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Very interesting indeed!

"Are there any markings on the tube assigning it to York Arms production ?"

Nope, nothing on the gun except the markings I show in the pics. The info on the form 4 is the only mention of York. Is is possible that he imported the gun intact as it is now?
Honestly unknown Tex

I'd suggest dropping an email to bubba at BRMCII. Naess has been around in the NFA side of things since the 60s. If anyone can get to the bottom of this it's bubba...he's been in this shit since before 68' and is the nation's leading guy when it comes to older history as well as NFA restoration.

A ton of hinky shit was done back in the day but if York is listed as "importer" on your 4' who knows.
I certainly don't know when he activated license, possible he was active pre 68' importing NOS Stench guns out of Taiwan early. I don't know.
I'd trust BRMC like G-d on these things...bubba was buying dewats & shit well before 68'...real straight telling dude too, honest to a fault. Honestly rare in that industry. Ton of assholes twisting regulations to turn a dollar. Has been for years Tex.

What I'm saying is this is getting out of my depth and I'm a rather deep kinda guy. If you have York listed on a 4' as importer that seems to indicate pre 68' import to be transferable Right...

How did the previous owner come by it ?
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My father - who operated as 'X-Ploraco' for two decades - 'imported' hundreds of Long Branch kits from Crown Surplus in Canada in the 1970s. They were cheap, the Form 6 stupidity wasn't really an issue at the time, and you could get a box of 'main casings' packed thoroughly with cosmoline directly in the mail.
He also did a bunch of 're-acts' with Chuck Hudak among others, pre-1968. A 1/4" steel rod dropped down the bore would known out the plug, a 3/8" drill bit rough-chambers for 9X19!

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My father - who operated as 'X-Ploraco' for two decades - 'imported' hundreds of Long Branch kits from Crown Surplus in Canada in the 1970s. They were cheap, the Form 6 stupidity wasn't really an issue at the time, and you could get a box of 'main casings' packed thoroughly with cosmoline directly in the mail.
He also did a bunch of 're-acts' with Chuck Hudak among others, pre-1968. A 1/4" steel rod dropped down the bore would known out the plug, a 3/8" drill bit rough-chambers for 9X19!

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Crown surplus and Sten kits back in the 70's. Now that brings back memories.
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My father - who operated as 'X-Ploraco' for two decades - 'imported' hundreds of Long Branch kits from Crown Surplus in Canada in the 1970s. They were cheap, the Form 6 stupidity wasn't really an issue at the time, and you could get a box of 'main casings' packed thoroughly with cosmoline directly in the mail.
He also did a bunch of 're-acts' with Chuck Hudak among others, pre-1968. A 1/4" steel rod dropped down the bore would known out the plug, a 3/8" drill bit rough-chambers for 9X19!

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hehehe...
Yeah Crown City was based out of Calgary AB, they ran small classified ads in SGN at the time, deactivated Long Branch MkIIs for $50.00. The "store" was pretty crazy. Piles of plugged bbl deacs here, bins of bbls there. Same with BRENs, etc.

The old series deacs were often no more than a plug in the chamber, sometimes they ground the face of the bolt. The Canuck military did this to thousands of MkII guns when they transitioned to the C5 Stirling pattern SMg. Knew a fella in Manitoba that still had a Conex mostly full of STEN deacs up past 2000. Old fart wanted a $100 apiece on the lot.

Anyways eventually US Customs became aware of Crown City, mess of guys ended up pinched by BATF when Customs began terrorizing the mails

Another big one up north was JC Kerns & McChurry
They were active up through the 90s, used to have a neat website...nothing but deacs. Brand new English MP5SDs, suppressed Sterlings, M16s, you name it. While Kerns wouldn't ship into the States the website caused plenty of drama with ATF who pressured CSIS who eventually forced Kerns out of business. I am certain hundreds of deacs ended up in the States from those who just drove up and bought them cash. You may be able to still find mirrors of the website on the wayback machine.

We used to see Colt M203's less barrels openly sold at shows in ND/MT. Interestingly they all had a nice IDF Star of David proof on the frame !
Same with the M16s and M79s Kerns had.

One of the characters pinched on canuck STENs was Big Al, a major player in the Washington State Arms Collectors Assn at one time. Customs intercepted a pair of MkII deacs in the mail. Seem to recall a controlled delivery was done, ATF swooped in and Big Al went bye bye.
Al, for his part always maintained he never ordered the guns which were sourced from some surplus joint in BC.

Xploraco, now there's another name that rings a bell Eli
Pretty damn cool, small world I guess
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Man thats cool, I would love to see a video it running through a mag

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Thanks preston! That can sure be arranged. I've got it apart for a bit of cleaning tomorrow. I can't leave it clean for long, a brief video may be in the works. Great idea!
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Thanks preston! That can sure be arranged. I've got it apart for a bit of cleaning tomorrow. I can't leave it clean for long, a brief video may be in the works. Great idea!
You the man! Can't wait to see it!
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Old September 03, 2017, 23:23   #30
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And btw,what a great friend to give you such a great gun.
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And btw,what a great friend to give you such a great gun.
Yes, he is; from a great local family. His brother was my school classmate and his sister is my wife's best friend.
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Yes, he is; from a great local family. His brother was my school classmate and his sister is my wife's best friend.
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You may want to rotate the mag well on your Sten. I have seen some where the manufacturer's markings are hidden there and only visible when you rotate the magwell for storage.
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You may want to rotate the mag well on your Sten. I have seen some where the manufacturer's markings are hidden there and only visible when you rotate the magwell for storage.
Oh yeah, I've always rotated the magwell to fit better in the safe. There are no markings under it. But thanks anyway!
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Thank you so much for posting this, truly a loverly work of war. Salute
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Thank you warden, and you're welcome too! It is a cool old gun. I'm planning on giving her a bit of a workout tomorrow.
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The Sten looks a bit different with a pistol grip replacement for the stock. Nice option to have.
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