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Old July 13, 2017, 08:40   #101
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These were on my watch list to potentially bid on. After 30 bids they closed at $600 plus shipping and the side plates went for over $200.





The plates in above listing that I paid $200 for the set are much better plates. They are almost half the weight, multi-hit and stand alone, require no soft armor behind them. The dot gov plates will break if you drop them and must be worn with soft armor for threat level 3 rating. This is an example of how far the pendulum swings on ebay. Ended up with another pair of 7"×9" Protech Special Threat plates early this AM. Best online new price is $157 each and got one for $19.99 and another for $24.99. Past month am another 30 to 40 pieces of armor in the pile. Going to sort, shoot all that need for new project using high speed video, restack my personal kits then sell a big pile to recoup some money. Should be money in my pocket after destroying a pile and keeping a pile. Everyone can afford armor if put effort into deal searching. Don't watch a few crazy listing and give up. Takes daily effort for months.
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Old July 14, 2017, 12:41   #102
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Watched another set of above milsurp level 3 ceramic plates gavel off for $550 earlier today and a set wit front/rear/side plates go for $650 in well worn condition. For some reason people are paying same money for used military plates that are marked "fragile do not drop" and "property of U.S. Government" and seller does not show any proof of being legal to sell surplus. Buddy of mine coming home from Iraq said on plane they were given forms to fill out and their Gunnery Sergeant said to mark list anything lost while in country or travelling home on list and would be no questions asked unless it was a weapon, ordinance or night vision. Another has told me can list night vision as lost on the battle field currently in Afganistan with little trouble but in both cases have been advised to not sell anything on their "lost item list" on fleabay or may come back to bite them hard. I have one front plate and one side plate that were brought into LGS and owner wouldn't buy, said any of us was our business not his what happened in parking lot. I was out of store when this went down and another employee purchased then gave them to me as repayment of a favor. My plan is to shoot them and have not bid on any dot gov inventory except from vendors that post their letters where purchased from legal dot gov surplus auction. Just like to avoid potential trouble but it's odd how these heavy and bulky plates that are not top tier armor are selling for more than top tier items that come through civilian armor dealers and are better plates for less money.

Just closed a deal on these. Person listed three times in auction format with $300 opening bid, $600 "buy now", ran all three cycles without a bid. Didn't help seller that he misspelled armor as "armour" which totally put them out of most people's search criteria. This morning were relisted for $200 opening bid, $400 buy now or make offer. Sent a $150 offer for the pair and said would hit paypal button immediately if accepted. Just a few minutes ago got a notice offer was accepted, payed and already have a tracking number. Rifle plates are starting to pile to the ceilings around me...



These are Level 3/4 ICW plates. Means rated level 3 stand alone and level 4 in conjunction with level 3a soft armor. RBR was purchased recently by another company in the what seems like weekly corporate take overs of competators.

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LEVEL III / IV ICW TRIPLE CURVE HARD ARMOR PLATES
We offer several types of Hard Armor Plates capable of defeating high-powered Level III & IV rifle rounds either in combination with Level IIIA certified soft body armor systems or as a standalone. Most of these plates are available in a choice of up to three shapes (full-size, swimmer’s cut or shooter’s cut), designed to meet your individual needs for comfort and function. Additional options include the choice of ultra-light polyethylene or ceramic plates which will affect weight and thinness.

These triple curve plates listed below are NIJ .06 certified to be Level III standalone, or Level IV in conjunction with Level IIIA soft body armor.
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I'm running these in a medium Crye JPC with the VS-13A backers. They're about half as thick as the issued ESAPIs and a few pounds lighter when worn as a pair. I was shopping around for plates to replace my cracked ESAPIs and took the plunge on this set. I couldn't be happier with my purchase.
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Reviewer: C from United States*I've read only good things about these products. These plates do not disappoint. *I run a pair of them in conjunction with 3A kevlar inserts, and has proven to be very comfortable, even on long movements over rough terrain humping 100+ lbs of gear. Be aware that they are relatively small for your average barrel chested guy - for reference I am 6' 180 lbs - but they still offer good coverage of your vitals. Given their light weight and level 4 protection, I have nothing but good things to say about these plates.
These are their ceramic and HWMPE composite plates that retail for $299.99 plus shippimg at cheapest supplier was able to find. At 6.0 pounds a tad heavy for my taste but if consider Level 4 protection they are actually quite light. Amazing how can find plates a full level higher protection, pound or more less weight and $400 to $500 per set cheaper if just put some effort and research into your searches. Nobody has to hump mystery steel coated with truck bed liner unless they just want an overly heavy, uncertified plate that will spall like a sandblaster if hit.
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Old July 26, 2017, 19:01   #103
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Finally found the right deal from the right vendor and have two of these British Mk4 scalable armor sets. Like IOTV can run with or without shoulder, bicep, groin, etc panels. Managed to score the complete kits with all available accessories.



Have the Mk3 and Mk4 in desert but finding at fair price in Multicam has been a lot of work. Vendor had the complete kits with all magazine pouches, IFAK's, cumberbunds and even the small accessories plus British issue hard plates but none of the soft armor. Purchased three of the proper British plates so could shoot one and still have a set to use if like and found all the soft armor pieces for front, back, sides, shoulder DAPS, etc. Some is here, some shipping out of U.S., England and as always those guys in the Ukraine always have any giblets can't find elswhere. Should have both completely outfitted over next couple weeks along with high quality set of Dyneema/Ceramic composite plates for the kit will use with the L1a1's now so don't have to use desert camo here in the jungle to have authentic British armor for my Brit rifles even if running new generation armor with older vintage battle rifles.

Have really piled the kits and pieces up. Have two nice lightweight Level 4 kits now and 14 Level 3/3+ lightweight kits. Have over three dozen level 2 and 3a soft panels and six rifle panels in the shoot pile. Also have a half dozen special threat plates can afford to burn for testing. One of my vendors today finally figured out what am trying to do and found 3 late model military plates that are structurally fine and not compromised but so unattractive and nasty he doesn't want to sell. Said threw away a bunch that obviously had dried blood on them but knows I will pay shipping to get those now to blast. Inventoried a dozen personal Level 3a overt kits, 14 Level 2 overt kits and 7 level 2a overt kits that like the rifle kits are in like new condition and mostly still in warranty.

If SHTF can armor up whoever survives in my community. Add to that have enough ratty and older items to use for retesting now that have three high speed/slow motion video cameras. Still searching daily and may have a couple of manufacturers willing to donate product to the cause for testing. Goal is by Christmas to have a high quality group of websites that will help people choose armor and know how to find it on the cheap. One of my eleborate fleabay searches turned up a guy selling pairs of Safariland/Protech handgun special threat plates new in sealed packages for $25 per pair. Many sellers are starting at $50 to $75 each for used and used to paying $25 to $33 each which is my top limit. Four new sealed plates at $12.50 each means can pull at least a pair of the plates for testing. They retail for $150 each so hesitant to shoot as like having them in all my covert vests more than burning holes in them. Finally got the piles sorted, all that am willing to sacrifice piled up and it's more than enough to test about every combination from 2a without trauma panels to level 4 multihit rifle armor and everything in between from K15 Point Blank plates to the modern Dyneema and traditional soft Kevlar. Have shot most of these before but never with video, especially slow motion and a plan to do it as scientifically as possible.

The two newest sets of level 3+ and level 4 multihit rifle plates are stunning. 6.5 pound level 4 multihit rated to six rounds of 30-06 black tip are super sweet. The 4.5 pound multihit 3+ rated for M855 green tip are in the truck vest already. At least the web project is allowing me to justify upgrading and increasing my number of personal kits and rolling some of my older into the shoot pile. Now to just get it done without shooting myself, editing all the video and posting with results is going to be work but a lot of fun to repeat and think the video will really help tell the tale of why steel sucks.
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Old July 30, 2017, 16:48   #104
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Was telling my doc friend has purchased us a dot mil EKG machine with a gazillion miles of paper rolls. All in a self contaimed Pelican style hard case then he pulled out his I Phone and told me to put fingers of each hand on pads mounted on back. Very similar to this but marketed by a software and hardware company he owns. He closed his regular practice and does drug research along with software/hardware development because Nobama didn't stick his finger in that pie.



I was blown away. His not only ran a EKG/ECG but recorded the string of data, heart rate and measures blood pressure. The real kicker is it also diagnoses most likely heart issue from imformation recorded alomg with at least two alternative diagnosis that as check the symptom boxes keeps refining the diagnosis. I asked him why he hadn't kept me in the loop with all the other medical dianosis apps his IT people install on my phone. My stupid phone has more diagnostic capabilities and testing that the average well equipped doctors office of a decade ago. Now my phone has the little pads on back and I get to sit and watch my heart to make sure am still alive.

For any of you that are serious about your medical kits and ability to diagnose and treat new apps for smart phones are coming out almost weekly if can afford them as some are not cheap. Doc charges $499 for his spine analysis app. Take the phone and touch back of skull, neck, thoracic, lumbar and S.I. then it will superimpose a drawing of parents spine over a ghost image of non damaged spine. It may ask for a couple more areas to be touched but he says it's rock solid and allows a doctor to determine area of spine with issue, possi b let causes and lessens the need for a repeat X-Ray or MRI as know where need to look deeper just by using phone. He is so tuned into it he says can skip a scan if wants to make diagnosis but insurance requires scan, not a smart phone app before treatment plan ordered. At retail about $2,000 in apps will near about turn a layperson with some medical knowledge into a General Practitioner for diagnosing.

My phone has a medical profile app can run down like the big stack of new patient papers get at a doctors office checking boxes on previous history and family history. As enter meds take, answer more questions it fine tunes it's questions and asks more detailed questions based on a learning/diagnostic algorithm and by time get to end of list it has pretty much figured out what's most likely wrong with you and how to treat. While not everyone has a friend with a medical software/app development company there are a lot of moderately priced medical apps availabe and some free ones. When SHTF having a General Practitioner in your phone will be a huge advantage. Even if misses diagnosis and kills you your culled from the herd with the other weak. Start researching, I am having his guys load to all my devices including the tablet keep in a Faraday box.
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How long will your EKG phone work after EMP????

My Guess= Not Very long.

Man has survived many extinction events and though I see you one of the most prepared individuals, you or anyone can Not prepare for everything.

Some people are so afraid of Death, nothing any of us can do to stop it.
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My Guess= Not Very long.

Man has survived many extinction events and though I see you one of the most prepared individuals, you or anyone can Not prepare for everything.

Some people are so afraid of Death, nothing any of us can do to stop it.
Not afraid of it but does not mean have to lay down and die if SHTF for lack of a med kit and some tools.

Who cares how long my little smart phone EKG machine runs post EMP. Still have the big burly U.S. Army unit in hard case picked up off fleabay. Pretty sure its designed to take both physical and electrical abuse. What was really odd in way my new App timed out. Having knee surgery next week to tune the left knee before they do the right and orthopod wanted a full physical as I was 16 months out due to G.P. retiring. New G.P. Ordered an EKG as found it odd for a 54 year old male to not have high blood pressure, not drink or smoke. Had my records from recent CT Fast Scan Heart test showing a blockage score of 1 on scale of 0 to 100, no history of heart issues, perfect stress test at 50, non smoker, not overweight, etc. Just all the structural issues from multiple orthopedic injuries, few minor bouts with cancer and pituitary/thyroid/adrenals shot guess he expected to find more.

Was showing the tech (local EMT who works part time at doc office) my new toy. Held on to pressure pads while they ran the real machine. Doc came in as I was explaining to tech I kept a clip on heart rate monitor in every truck where the latex gloves and CPR Barriers stay though we just do compressions for most cases now. Have so many barriers collected over the years they tend to be everywhere lIke clip on heart rate monitors. New doc got involved and told him if have to start CPR plan to turn heart rate monitor on in logging mode, clip to victims finger and leave once EMT's package and haul off. That way emergency room doc can scroll history of all the readings it tracks from initial contact to hospital and may help with diagnosis. Whenever find them on sale under $20 buy another or two. Whats $20 if helps diagnose patient in ER faster and helps protect me as gone the extra mile under "Good Samaritan" act of giving care to a stranger. Keep my basic First Responder kit in whichever vehicle leave house with. Once I tear into gloves, barriers and other supplies have burned a $100 bill as anything opened that cant be decontaminated is trash can bound.

Doc was intrigued with my little Android EKG so compared it's readings to his machine with a dozen pads and had to shave spots all over chest for them to stick well. After comparing the two time lines from memory I bumped the button that gives Apps best guess at condition. He said it was spot on saying I was fine except for the one noisy valve have had for decade that without really checking often assumed a possible leaking valve. If I am first responder in situation where it's going to be a while before real help arrives can even forward readings from the EKG to an emergency room doc so can help advise treatment and have his EMT's briefed before arrive and be prepping a heart O.R. possibly long before would have had any idea of possible issue without the little toy.

Mine was free and have another coming. Can buy them under $100 if want. Will soon be common for people with heart issues to have one, if feeling odd can call their cardiac specialist, upload data from their phone through patient portal and know if having a real issue or just ate a bad taco. Have a Physicians Drug Reference in my phone, allergic interactions symptom app and more. In western NC, Colorado and many places it's easy to be in cell range but a half hour from ambulance arriving. More tools in a first responders pocket, especially when off the clock being a civilian the better. If I find me laying on ground and appear to be missing on a couple cylinders would appreciate someone treating for shock, clearing airway, running heart rate, blood pressure and EKG. That type person is the kind that buys others those magic minutes.
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Some stuff that's not EMP sensitive. Bought all these plates at a deal from one of my suppliers that had gotten down one of each and most people want pairs. Purchased cheap enough to shoot them all but two are probably too nice to burn for grins.

10.5"×13" Level 4 Multihit:





10"×12" Level 3+ HWMPE:



10.5"×12.5" Level 3 Composite:



Every one of these plates are top notch albeit maybe four to five years off their peak in technology. Only one shows real wear on its cover. Was stunned at weight to threat level ratio. My guys that lean on hard will often find me odd singles or buy a big batch and cut me a deal on the cosmetic blems. Usually a nice wipe down and glue down edges of covers a bit and are like new. Two of these are getting swapped into personal kits and will pull others to shoot or keep buying to pile up ugly plates in variety of composites and materials for my testing. Add in the Stainless Ruger Mini 14 Ranch Rifle in 6.8 that showed up today and has made my knee full of bees not seem so bad.
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Screw extending beyond bone in knee decided to change somehow and is eating my Patellar Tendon.



Hardware in other parts of left leg giving some issues, especially in winter.





Wednesday doctor is removing or trimming everything he can. Soon as heal having other knee rebuilt. Have one shoulder and one elbow not rebuilt yet and goal is by spring to have them repaired along with carpal tunnel syndrome fixed. Then we will see about fixing my hip. Considering eye surgery so glasses or contacts not required to see past my nose. If SHTF will have to live with anything didn't get fixed first. Add in the younger you are when done higher chance of success. Friend in late 60's died on table having rotator cuff repaired. His heart couldn't take it. SHTF survival is going to suck. Spent past decade getting patched up and just functional but realizing as time goes by insurance approves less and less procedures based on age, gets more dangerous and if society self destructs won't be any hospitals to get you crap fixed. If have been tolerating nagging issues, get them fixed before our health care system becomes full on British or Canadian where over 60 gets a bottle of pills and sent home. Been religious with my P.T., diet and other things recommended and come off six medications in past 18 months. This is survival whether SHTF or Nobamacare system gets worse in future. Goal is to fix it all like new before turn 56. Then it should mostly hold together barring falling off a roof, hitting another deer on motorcycle or text messaging hag not seeing the red light am sitting at. Can't fix all my issues but ones that can am not delaying anymore.
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Got call from hospital ask stop by before lunch today so they could check vitals and take blood sample. Ran me through full physical even though had a pre-op physical last week. Last minute nurse comes in and says anesthesiologist asked for an EKG. Told them had two last week. One at surgeons office and second on Thursday when had pre-op physical they requested for anesthesiologist... Nurse pulled up charts and both were there with report so said would go ask and come back. Other nurse continued checking vitals and such so evening shift would have less to do when check in this afternoon. Had all timed for full day of work.

Pulled out my phone and punched my EKG app and was showing nurse how easy do on Android or I-Phone now. Other nurse comes back in with a doctor to "explain" why they needed a third EKG and not even admitted to which I responded already in progress just check the readings running across screen of phone. Doc asked what was that and how was phone reading heart. Said look at the pad with metal pads had index and middle finger of each hand on. Pad links to phone via Bluetooth and put two fingers from each hand on pads and algorithm does the rest and even gives three most plausible diagnoses when finished. Doc had nurse hook me up, ran a cycle and compared their machine with six pads on chest (at least didn't shave more bald spots) with my cell phone read. Their machine and my phone results were so close he said could not say the phone had error. Phones number one diagnosis agreed with him that had no heart issues.

Admitted other than blood draw no reason to bring me in this morning except that since talked on phone yesterday had a 5 am slot open and moved my time up so going to admit me then and there for more time to prep as first orthopedic patient of the day. Told them that was fine but had three job sites left to do today and needed to take gun home along with work truck. He said I could just lock pistol in truck, security watches parking lot 24/7/365. Asked him where the most dangerous place in county was to a shoulder shrug and replied myself, emergency room parking lot. Three employees in the room and none knew about how many suicides in emergency room parking lot or robberies of people who looked like might have prescriptions in their paperwork. Then told him had two AR 15's, overt body armor and helmet in truck along with $20,000 worth tools. After surgery wife would take me home in her truck and mine could not sit till Thursday to which he replied I may still be in hospital rather than simple outpatient as hoped for. Also have to lock up work, set the backup alarm, lock gate and kill lights as expected to go back to office today.

They slapped an arm band on, said go lock up work, take truck and guns home and get someone bring me back ASAP.



Said had take a shower as already been sweating outside, ran table saw in shop and was filthy. They had the nerve to ask me not to get armband wet. Know they will add another when get back and likely replace this one so going to take a.real shower thus arm band will be wet. Asked if could be back before 2:00 pm and said no but be back fast as can. Got call into surgeon on his private cell to see what his take is but I would rather stay tonight and he first patient than risk getting delayed or pushed back on schedule tomorrow and stay up there after surgery though would get a morphine machine. Darn things don't take quarters anymore, they program and can only push button x times based on doctors orders. Wonder how easy it is to hack that thing? Of course if wanted to be strung out on morphine have plenty, just don't really enjoy it. What's the song??? Oh yeah, Stones covered it but I like the original by Marianne Faithful best. Can feel the desperation like chills running up your spine when she sings it.

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Here I lie in my hospital bed*
Tell me, sister Morphine, when are you coming round again?*
Oh, I don't think I can wait that long*
Oh, you see that I'm not that strong

The scream of the ambulance is sounding in my ears*
Tell me, sister Morphine, how long have I been lying here?*
What am I doing in this place?*
Why does the doctor have no face?

Oh, I can't crawl across the floor*
Ah, can't you see, Sister Morphine, I'm trying to score

Well it just goes to show*
Things are not what they seem*
Please, sister Morphine, turn my nightmares into dreams*
Oh, can't you see I'm fading fast?*
And that this shot will be my last
Basically no telling what ramblings the mods might have to ax tomorrow, hehe. Odds are I want even get a drip. Some big nurse named Annie Wilkes or Nurse Ratched who won't want to cross. See if either of those names pulls out any classic movie buffs.
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Last day in post op recovery jail. Doc said no driving for 24 hours and weight bearing at my discretion and return to work if choose today for light duty but had an anesthesiologist with great attitude and said doesn't skimp on meds for his patients that can tolerate them so nobody has to be uncomfortable under his care. My response was "bring on some happy sauce, just don't Michael Jackson me". His reply was M.J. could have afforded a good doctor and not some pill mill master.

So here is the main screw that was a half inch too long causing discomfort when one of my tendons decided to shift and get tangled up in it. New orthopod said it and some of the other hardware should have been removed once majority of leg healing had happened.



Was 14.5 hours on the table getting leg reassembled and unsure how long doctor was in my leg removing screw from knee but was 24 hours in hospital all total. According to checking internet, past orthopedic surgeries, discussing this procedure with insurance pre-certification that total cost with a one nights stay would be high side of $20,000. Outpatient would have been between $15,000 & $20,000 then add about $5,000 per nights stay. When did the damage in x-rays posted a couple posts up total cost for eight days, 14.5 hours on table, in-hospital rehab and such bill cracked $260,000. Got a lot more bang for buck on first trip as thirteen screws, three plates plus knee to ankle rod would say per screw was about $5,000 each. So now I have this really cool $20,000 to $25,000 screw. Will likely end up in one of my boxes of specialty fasteners and used on some future project. Likely land in some rifle project or such. After fix right knee we will go into left ankle to get loose and floating screw removed along with any others he feels will be better out than in. Had inquired about doing all.together but said can't work on two joints at same time unless it's an emergency situation. Do not want patient rehabbing multiple joints at one time as increases odds of injury during recovery. Said ankle will be more involved, probably two nights inpatient following that procedure so will have a $300,000 left leg. Insurance check is high but just this year now at eleven surgeries so even with premium almost at $4,000 per month it's actually a good value.

Insurance was $850 per month when Nobama was elected. Beginning of 2017 after eight years of his "fixing" our medical system to make it more accessible and affordable my monthly premium has risen to $3,800 per month and they can't use pre-existing or new conditions to raise prices as basically age and smoker/non smoker and home state are about all that affect it. Though kept highest tier of insurance available there are a lot of procedures and treatments no longer covered as Nobama says it's unfair for someone willing to pay for top notch insurance to get more than those who cheap out on it or have none at all. Where they really nailed me was beginning of 2017 and had to switch from my 30 year old policy as it didn't provide OBGYN care or pay for gender change. Promised could keep policy y if liked it and your doctor. Lost five docs and originally policy because it was not gender neutral. For those of you with ultra high deductible policies, my quarter million dollar leg was result of a simple motor vehicle accident and a tibia/fibula compound spiral fracture. Know a roofer who fell off ladder with same result. If your carrying a total of $10,000 in deductibles and copays can you afford to write a $10,000 check for a broken leg? Remember if your injured around Christmas and insurance resets at New Years one event could tap you for full deductible twice. If have accident or disease diagnosed where they jump in hard in last month of year and treatment continues into next calender year your paying $20,000 in med bills in a months time. Had exactly that happen a couple years ago and maximum $3,000 out of pocket in a calender year saved my butt even though $6k was tough in six week period.

Is this a survival issue? I consider financial survival very important and if someone has never faced a major medical issue it's bad enough dealing with the physical part and missed work to be compounded by money issues. If don't have a job that keeps paying your check while your down, decent insurance and some money stashed for emergencies it's like no water, food and ammo for when SHTF.
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Finally getting some help, showing some folk some of my preliminary work and results which has netted two companies helping now with my testing. They have the sense to know it will be free advertising when it all gets finished and posted to website with links to their products and uTube videos of their panels stopping stuff.



Got eight of these identical ICW Level 3/4 plates today. Rated level 3 stand alone and level 4 In Conjuction With Level 3a soft armor. Another guy shipped me six identical Level 3+ Lightweight plates today and both above and what's on the way cut me super deals allowing me to use fresh identical panels with high threat rounds so a failure due to being shot in other area of plate can't be blamed for a failure. Of course will still test multi-hit capabilities of same round and various rounds but leveling the playing field when comparing M80 to M80A1 or M855 to M855A1 with fresh panels will be more scientific. Already know M80A1 defeats Level 4 as well as some other military/L.E. offerings in 7.62×39, 5.56 NATO, 6.8 spc II and 7.62×51 NATO. 7.62×54 is almost cheating with several available rounds commonly found on internet and gun shows. Of course have a fair number of 7.62×51 NATO rounds wasting Level 4 and carrying enough payload, velocity and energy to ruin it's wearers day. That said, tested a backer from a specialty vendor behind Level 4 that put the brakes on M80A1. Only adds 1.7 pounds so now have them in my personal Level 4 kits so able to stop these new special threats if hit in a plate. Still a ways from going live with website and uTube but getting my testing well under way.
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Maker of these told me yesterday would ship. Arrived today FedX Express!



NIJ 3 rated, he calls them 3+ but sent picture of one that had been hit by 7.62×39 steel core, 5.56 55 grain ball, 7.62×51 M80 and 30-06 black tip. Has new machine that presses layers together and has much more pressure so added two extra layers of Kevlar in front of ceramic to reduce chance of breaking if dropped on hard surface without any increase in thickness and negligible weight difference. Says the originals sent for NIJ certificate were old style and didn't stop 30-06 black tip.

Wants me to test to Level 3 and 4 then based on results likely resubmit for Level 4 rating. Plates are 5.5 pounds which is heavy for me as a Level 3 or 3+ but if Level 4 then they are light. Can't wait to shoot them. Said when send results has another model prototyping that is lighter but will replace these as Level 3/3+ if these move up to 4. Said new level 3+ are just over four pounds and his prices are best on market for new if can prove these meet Level 4. His issue is inability to test in house due to size of facility and location. In a multi-tenant office/warehouse facility and can't fire guns on premises. Said if I can test to his satisfaction would be easier to send me plates and spend his time on design and manufacturing. So idea is me doing preliminary product testing before sending new models for NIJ certification giving me a steady diet of stuff to bust or not. He gets free product evaluation and if all works out I might sell on the new website as well or get another URL so don't mix independent testing with product sales.
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NIJ 3 rated, he calls them 3+ but sent picture of one that had been hit by 7.62×39 steel core, 5.56 55 grain ball, 7.62×51 M80 and 30-06 black tip. Has new machine that presses layers together and has much more pressure so added two extra layers of Kevlar in front of ceramic to reduce chance of breaking if dropped on hard surface without any increase in thickness and negligible weight difference. Says the originals sent for NIJ certificate were old style and didn't stop 30-06 black tip.

Wants me to test to Level 3 and 4 then based on results likely resubmit for Level 4 rating. Plates are 5.5 pounds which is heavy for me as a Level 3 or 3+ but if Level 4 then they are light. Can't wait to shoot them. Said when send results has another model prototyping that is lighter but will replace these as Level 3/3+ if these move up to 4. Said new level 3+ are just over four pounds and his prices are best on market for new if can prove these meet Level 4. His issue is inability to test in house due to size of facility and location. In a multi-tenant office/warehouse facility and can't fire guns on premises. Said if I can test to his satisfaction would be easier to send me plates and spend his time on design and manufacturing. So idea is me doing preliminary product testing before sending new models for NIJ certification giving me a steady diet of stuff to bust or not. He gets free product evaluation and if all works out I might sell on the new website as well or get another URL so don't mix independent testing with product sales.
Sounds like a fun side job! Also that X-ray there looks similar to my right ankle. I had my ortho pull all the metal out except the anchors. I keep the four inch screws on my climbing saddle to remind me to take it slow and remember that I break easier than I'd like to
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Been slowing my roll on builds due to running out of vault space. Today scored a fire proof, security rated three door filing cabinet from a bank branch closing. Has three drawers all 42" length, 12" tall and 18" deep inside dimension. Each drawer has two seven pin locks keyed alike. Thus key one unlocks both locks on top drawer, key two both locks middle drawer and so on. All bump resistant hardened security locks and 10 Guage steel construction with double walls. Rated to keep documents from damage up to 1,800° for 90 minutes. Longest rifle will hold straight line across drawer is 18" A2 AR 15. Only AR 15's that won't fit are my 24" A2 stocks but every single collapsible stock. Mocked up a set of templates using 1/4" plywood and jig saw that allow each drawer to hold six rifles easily without chance of bumping together. Tomorrow will cut racks on CNC router for each drawer and 18 of my bargain to mid price builds can go in. It's probably more secure than 1/2 the gun safes I see under $1,500. Already bolted to floor and the 12 rifles at house that are stashed for lack of vault space will get rearranged with main vaults and only our out all the time rifles will be left out with an empty drawer for more. This was designed to hold Title Deeds and originals of large dollar loams.

Found a jewelery safe for sale and going to pick it up over weekend. Is rated to 2,200° for 2.5 hours and has double steel wall construction with burly laminated armor door. Cool thing is allows multiple codes so can issue each person choose to give access and has a way to check and see who has opened how often and when plus a dual key and dial that over ride electronic lock. If lock it with keys the code holders are shut out. Dial opens in event power is lost and keypad is not useable. It has inside dimensions of 32" width, 26" depth and 64" height. Racking system laid out in CAD software will allow racking 24 long guns and over one row for short rifles will add a shelf and put a handgun storage system on inside of door. Will allow bringing a few rifles in shop safe home and growing room.

The great fire ratings on both is my best feature. House is so secure and dual alarms all a box has to do is slow a thief and cops will be on them. The jewelry safe exceeds security rating of any safe in LGS inventory. Actually hired a safe moving company to handle it. Have 21 barrels, 24 lowers, 26 uppers and rest of parts to assemble a passed of new AR's but been dragging my heels on them and three FAL's as with shop safes full, house safes full and a dozen running free not counting the rack rifles was scared of a fire creating a huge loss. While most of our safes are beyond Residential Security Container rating that most gun safes carry my first safe is an RSC but has a 90 minute fire rating. The jewelry safe is 1,100 pounds and rated to survive a three story fall. Means I can install upstairs and not worry about it bursting if falls through floor during house fire. Have several small safes upstairs rated for two story fall but this is first big one so going in master bedroom. With storage for 42 more rifles ordered a dozen more billet AR lowers to aid in filling to overflowing again. Majority of gun safes I see for sale are rated U.L. Residential Security Container or U.L. 8M10. If your safe carries those ratings you may want to look up what that really means and then go buy a real safe, my new filing cabinet carries a higher security rating that most safes I see in people's house.
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Been wanting a set of Hardwire plates since minute saw my first set. Level 3+ Dyneema with 25 year factory warranty. Of course like most of the quality small companies that develop a good product Safariland bought them out. These are not getting shot but going in one of my kits.



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Zig and zag as this thread has no set topic. On to batteries. Wife and I have a passel of Harley's from late model Twinkies, Evos, Shovels, Hummers and quite a fee basket cases yet restored from the late 1930's through 1988. Ready to ride span 1948 to 2007. The '07 Road King has dealer installed race tuner, pipes, breather and all sorts of power add on as wife never likes to be under powered if calls for it. Her '73 was tweaked and tuned by Elmer Tritt one of the fastest V-twin top fuel drag racers to ever live. His last two S&S modified from new in box are on our '73 Shovel and '78 restomod with Evo and six speed in a four speed frame with Panhead sheet metal but Progressive suspension parts so looks old school from 50 feet but will keep up with the Road King within reason. With our health we don't ride as often as would like and therefore regular maintenance is not quite regular. Yesterday she asked me to pull out the Road King, check tires, oil, etc and warm it up. Turned the ignition switch, turned motor switch to run and pressed start button to hear click, click, click, nothing.... Battery was too low to turn it over. Been on a battery tender but checked output with meter and like them all, had died after a decade. Put my multifunction battery charger on at 7:30 am set to 10 amps for sealed AGM battery and went to work. Came home about 2:00 pm so had a solid six hours of charge when came home. Pulled charger with same results telling me the battery had sulfated even though only three years old and supposidly on auto trickle when not being ridden. Been since spring since last time she was on it so my guess is trickle charger has been dead entire time.

Brought one of my other chargers up from basement use for myriad of backup batteries and a dedicated desulfate device. Set to 40 amps, let charge two hours and almost engaged starter drive. Wish modern bikes allowed a person to shut off headlight when not on road and don't want to cut original wiring harness to put in a headlight kill switch. Bigger charger went back on, set for 2 amp continuous with desulfator running.

Multi-battery automatic charger. Bought at NAPA for $29.99 when employee mis-marked chargers during a sale. Was supposed to be marked down from $199.99 to $149.99 but manager insisted I take it. Offered to leave and let them fix pricing but he said their mistake was my gain, likes to see good customers happy. Have so many battery chargers couldn't count them and purchased two more last week.



Dedicated battery desulfator with error codes to help diagnose exact issue. Works with most type batteries from 12v to 48v up to 400ah and street price is about $25. Have saved lots of batteries with this. Last night it showed C-12 code which tells operator that battery is a 12 volt unit then if battery has at least 11 volts will start pulsing and led light will flash letting you know it's working. If doesn't work have two other methods that either desulfate or cause catastrophic failure blowing a car size battery to pieces spreading acid for a 30 foot radius. Keep a few old batteries around just in case need an exploding battery. Imagine SHTF, slipping up on house that looks like may have useful items and old car battery showers you with hot burning acid...



This morning checked the smart charger which said battery was at 13.5 volts and 100% amperage capacity. Disconnected everything, put seat on and went through start cycle for an instant joy of big V-twin roaring to life. Can leave a desulfator on for hours, overnight, days or weeks. Some even hard wire to a battery group permanently. All batteries build up sulfates on plates degrading it's ability to function optimally or at all. Many dead batteries, especially ones that have been left unattended without use and cycling for a long period of time are actually quite use able if able to remove the contamination on plates. The desulfator sends short pulses of higher voltage (up to 60 volts with this unit) intermittently and varies the timing and voltage to shock the plates forcing them to blast off the contaminates. In old days it was common to put a 12 volt battery on a high amperage 24 or 48 volt charger and as acid began to boil would loosen some of the sulfates giving you a little more useable life but damage battery in process.
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Finally got around to stacking out my second British Mk 4 "Multicam" (not licensed Multicam but darn close copy, doubt a lawsuit against British military would be low odds and bad P.R. for trademark owners) and this one did for inch FAL's, last was for metric with 20 round mag pouches. Also have two desert pattern British Kestrel rifle rated vests, one metric, one inch but North GA is far from desert environment though they will work in fall and winter.

Removed from sealed package completely new carrier and accessories. Unlike my British Kestrel the Mk 4's could not be found with armor. For this found a beautiful set of Safariland Level 2 panels still in warranty period that fit dead solid perfect. Would almost swear were made for this. Also had a set of Level 2 Stab panels to protect from knives bayonets and pitchforks. From testing done myself, layer Level 2 stab panels over Level 2 ballistic panels and the two combined meet or exceed NIJ Level 3a soft armor. What motivated me to stack out this vest were my 25 year warranty Hardwire Level 3++ Dyneema plates arriving in mail. Another cool feature is rifle plate pocket had two different size pockets. My guess is so if used smaller plates would not be sliding around. Put the 10"×12" 3++ Dyneema plates in PO met just over soft armor and in front of them put a set of Protech 8"×10" Multithreat panels and my guess is that the two stacked on stab and ballistic armor will perform to Level 4 standards where the Protech panels overlap the Hardwire.



In the internal side pockets used CW Security Products Level 3 rifle rated smaller plates for side protection from rifles as well. In conjunction with the 5"×7" hard plates added a set of 6"×9" Level 3a stand alone soft Kevlar panels. This vest is pretty much tight for most common threats that rifle vests stop. 338 Mag or 50 BMG and your smoked but 308 and hotrod 5.56 rounds should not defeat this vest in any of the plate coverage areas. Hopefully if had to use and took rounds not falling over would baffle zombie long enough to burn his @$$.



This vest came with a boat load of accessories. Only things missing want to add are matching IFAK, groin and sacrum protection. Have the soft armor panels ordered for shoulder/bicep protectors as easy to snap on or off as need. The odd little "D" shaped panels are like little angels wings that mount to back and protect armpit area from rear. If someone can thread a shot through gap into armpit they can put one pretty much any area not protected from rifles so not going to add the weight and lost mobility but might get the armor if find cheap just to have. The neck collars are almost exactly like the Kestrel which I have extra soft panels to fill but on the Kestrel, the high stiff collars are hot and rub underside of chin and around lower hairline raw. Will just try to not get shot in the neck.



Not used to a new carrier coming with so many accessories. There were a lot of small things didn't bother to post pictures. Most important is seven magazine pouches that will hold two AR 15 thirty round mags or one FAL 30 round mag. This vest is all FAL unless decide to retask it some day which would just be swapping mags.



Front view stacked out with seven mag pouches, two accessories with radios plus a few extra gadgets like real compass to augment the electronic altimeter/barometer/compass/watch just under neck line mounted where easy to pivot up and check direction or track barometer trends for weather. Also has two dedicated radios, one Yaesu dual band H.T. with MARS/CAP free band mod. The FRS/GMRS will be replaced with digital wide band trunking scanner soon as find another at fair price and need to thread a real antenna in rear molle plus run wires for helmet headsets and throat mics.



Only accessory on rear is the proper bayonet for Inch L1a1's so when go all inch with an Aussie or Brit rifle will have a bayonet which can double for a lot of other uses. Do have a Leatherman Multi-Tool on board and when get IFAK and some other accessories will add a removable groin protector, dump pouch and water bladder.



Even with dual plates and stab panels the lightweight Dyneema plates kept weight down. 32 pounds is with seven 30 round magazines loaded 25 rounds each. Remove stab panels and Multi-threat plates over the Level 3++ and should drop to about 27/28 pounds. Considering 175 rounds of 7.62 ammo I consider this stack up a full on success.



All those 30 round L1a1 inch mags look sweet sitting ready for service.



When get my IFAK and load it up, add water bladder, wire radios for headsets and do a little tweaking this will be a 36 pound vest. At 32 now it balances well and is comfortable now but would not want to walk all day with it on carrying a rifle and fulfillment pack with food and spare ammo. Otherwise it looks cool and should perform very well. My metric with six 20 round mags, Goldshield Level 3a soft armor, Level 3 rifle plates front rear and sides, IFAK, radios and all bling is 32 pounds fully loaded with empty water bladder.



About to embark on a project to gift to a Files member and need someone with an industrial sewing machine to restitch a pair of overlapping split panels for front opening vest that will be rifle rated to help him protect his family. If anyone feels confident sewing a new seam so can cut these down about an inch all the way around I would appreciate it and it is a pay it forward project for a nice guy.
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Last night was pulling batteries out of five chargers and realized until wife finds another stack of dead devices that don't have enough batteries in the charge basket to really warrant loading the chargers. The two smart chargers hold four each, the slow charger four, the Nicad charger for devices that need full 1.5 volts per cell, the Nikon camera charger nor the LiPo or CR123 charger had enough low cells to warrant tending. All flashlights and small devices have fresh charged cells including flashlights in all vests, packs, kits and trucks.



By knowing which charger to use, having correct charger for job including two smart chargers that will do break in, discharge, multiple discharge/charge recovery and other cool things have batteries dated back to the 1990's still in service. Write month and year on each battery when put into service. Before end of 2017 will have three sets of NiMh that hit legal drinking age. Bet they have seen well over 500 cycles and maybe into four digits. Lot of my earlier cells died mountaineering and backpacking due to horrid technology of solar chargers around Y2K. Also bet I have saved enough money on batteries in past 25 years to buy a few nice rifles. Funny when I look at older AA's with 700 mah capacity next to current generation with 2,200 to 2,400 mah that I even still bother with them as one set only shows 300 mah total reserve capacity but in television and other remotes they last for months before needing a recharge and leaves sharp batteries freed up for other uses.

Last post didn't mention that in the vest panel pockets (do this with most vests) placed a project enclosure that holds ten AA batteries with a power port. When change batteries in these enclosures run through the vacuum sealer then use exacto knife to cut access to power port, plug accessory wire and seal with Andrews coax sealer then a wiring harness runs inside panels in best manner to plug in accessory power ports of radios. Some vests have to put the pack in an accessory pouch and weave wires through molle but if able to keep wires inside to reduce snagging, Ten 3,000 mAh batteries give 30 amp hours reserve energy for 12v electronics which saves carrying extra batteries specific to radio. One of my big full coverage vests has a pouch with light that will cut light steel is so bright. It actually has a power port on side so can use to run any 12 volt accessory or pull power from the flashlight as spare reserve or plug into reserve power port for extended run time.

Stacking out so many complete vests have to place a pair of comm devices in each. Normally I like to put a Motorola duty radio with encryption board and capability to program into a ham band, GMRS, MURS, etc. Hams all know it's against the rules to encrypt a transmission in manner others can't decrypt but there are a couple quasi legal ways don't think the FCC would do more than issue a letter as had OO send letter questioning mode were operating and response seemed to satisfy them. They didn't send warnings as so many digital modes were rolling out at one time they wanted to know what was up and when told it was a drill for worst case need to send HIPPA protected medical info and would only be using once a year for training and then in a SHTF situation where rules say all rules are off they seemed to ignore it. What a lot of people don't know is while Part 95 Amateur Radio doss not allow encryption part 90 Citizens Band, GMRS, MURS, etc enough encryption is allowed. So like to take Moto 2500 series radios as 1500 series have few features and 3500 series are still large money, put eight algorithm encryption boards and set up where when run in Part 90 which includes business band have a frequency leased that the same boards that FBI, Secret Service and others use for secure comms. Wife has a handheld and my three primary kits have radios that if I had to go outside after dark and she was using thermal, standard night vision and monitoring sis mic sensors, etc can feed me info without fear of anyone short of very high level dot gov alphabet agency could decrypt on the fly. First have to capture frequency which we would rotate, decrypt algorithm with changes with frequency and thus nobody with even a top dollar $10,000 scanner will grab the signal and decrypt. Add in P25 layer and it gets odd but in 20 years of having her trained in radios and my old Gen 1 night vision and seismic sensors worst issue we have had was going to neighbors houses to settle down elderly ladies that heard a noise or think they smell gas. Nothing happens around here other than a stray coyote, car broken down or vehicle wreck close to house after dark. Occasionally have renters from down road find their way in front yard inside fence line or boaters/fishermen on Corp property to figure out intent or boat dock that need run off.

Below is an Icom IC-T2A from group of several purchased from elderly guy getting out of ham radio emergency communications. Like me he felt a need to have a box of radios all programmed the same to hand out at incident as its suprising how many don't own or show up without a H.T. and if looking for a missing Alzheimers patient they can't drive their vehicles through the woods. On a cold winter night is just a matter of hours to find someone before die of exposure so I have robbed a lot of my better emcomm H.T.'s for vests and these type radios are going in emm comm box and redundant spare vests.



Purchased three of the above Icom IC-T2A's from same guy for $100 shipped. Was stunned when all were clean as a pin, had a hot OEM battery plus a auxiliary battery pack that holds ten AA batteries. Have long term storage, four times reserve capacity Lithium batteries in the backup packs and will monitor for days and key down for several hours even on full power. All had chargers and came with a programming cable plus software. Now have at least eight of the IC-T2A's in emcomm box plus all vests without quad-band or tri-band unlocked ham with wide band scan mode to back up the Motorola's or use wide band P25 digital trunking scanners behind the transmit radios if their "dumb" radios. Just can't bring myself to buy these cheap

If looking at an easy to use handheld P25 wide band scanner the Whistler TRX-1 can be found under $500 and covers pretty much everything from 25 MHz low band to 1300 MHz including public service and can be unlocked for some blocked frequencies if that's your thing then piped through a laptop or netbook for decryption of certain signals. It's a lot of scanner in small package. Find them at fair price from people who purchased and was initially unhappy with function. There are two years of firmware patches and upgrades in programming that if loaded to current revisions is a good unit. Of course if have double to spend on a handheld scanner then better can be had. Some of the Rat Shack P25 wide band scanners are coming into their own, especially the full sized units piped through a computer with some aftermarket support software. Thus when I give weight on a vest it includes a lot of accessories beyond armor and ammo. Situational awareness may be your key if in sticky situation. If zombies are about using radio comms can listen in one ear while wife feeds info in other ear through highly encrypted methods all while being able to amplify surrounding sounds up to 4x for my deaf @$$ and mute gunshots or other ear damaging volume sounds if put on headset or helmet and plug two wires from vest into headset or single wire with dual channel PTT and have switched to throat mics and have my first "bone phone" that transmits sound through jawbone to ear and can run regular ear plugs or triple down on input but when do that information overload gets loopy trying to keep up with. My new Kyocera Duraphone Pro gets dropped in kit because of shooting apps for long shot solutions and may need cell capability and several vests are wired for it as well.
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If anyone finds the three piece "soft armor" package for U.S. issue IOTV vests made by Point Blank with this model number in any size jump on them or point me toward them.

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Have about a dozen sets of IOTV and often buy carriers without soft armor or soft armor without carriers and slowly match then add rifle plates and accessories based on need at time. Purchased a multi-unit lot of soft panels and one set was significantly different than all other IOTV panels have sourced from Point Blank, Second Chance, or any number of contractors for military IOTV armor and carriers. These have a thin, semi flexible steel layer inside plus extra layers of Kevlar. Adds only about 1.5 pounds to kit but even without rifle plates at all, the soft armor will stop 7.62×39. So if we're in an area where majority of zombies were using AK's and SKS's could drop huge weight leaving out your rifle plates front, rear and sides and be protected from all handguns, shrapnel and up to ×39 rifles while not carrying huge weight and full protection, not just area covered by rifle plates. Put them in a woodland I.O.T.V. with set of Multi-Threat Dyneema plates that weigh under a pound each and vest stacked out as lightest rifle vest I own though won't stop 5.56 or 308 unless distant oblique shot.
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Had a thread while back asking about Kyrocera Duraforce Pro military specification 810G cell phones. Had either all positive or total crap reviews. Purchased two for testing, one for work phone other for personal. Can take photos or video under water and called "drop proof" with sapphire screen instead of glass. Did not put either in protective cases but did put screen protectors out of habit and less than $5 each. Both are dead solid perfect, all data transferred from Galaxy Active S5 and S3 just fine plus linked to al Bluetooth and wired headsets seamlessly. Have latest Android Marshmallow release which has not locked up even when try by running four or five tasks at same time. Was running restore on contacts, text messages and pictures, installing apps, running apps all at same time to try and lock it up and kept running.

Bought new A,T&T unlocked for any carrier new in generic boxes with charger for $287 delivered. Found company selling "factory refurbs" with six month warranty and can choose cosmetic ratings from 6 to 9 with 10 being new. Each supposidly has no scratched or damaged screens just marks on cases and dents on back cover. Can get the cosmetic 8 rated under $200 shipped. A,T&T or Verizon and unlocked for all services, just get a Ma Bell logo or Verizon on startup but will work with any service just have to get correct SIM card installed. Going to order another new for wife and pair of cosmetic 8's for me. Wish there was a way to get one of these in a cash, reload minutes via card paid with cash to replace my aging burn phone that never called a friend or client on. Wife doesn't even have number. Great for calling competetors for pricing or people need to yank chains. The two cosmetic blems will go into my primary overt rifle vests so wired in and don't have to try and deal with phone under stress. That way vests have phones with ballistic apps and more data may need on board. So cheap to add devices to my unlimited corporate plan no sense not doing it. Got my mom a semi smart phone with big buttons and panic button that links to dedicated representative that can handle medical to vehicle emergencies. She didn't like the complicated true smart phone. All she wants is GPS and how to find restaurants or antique stores.

If the Duraforce Pro phones decide to give any problems will post it up. Meanwhile another thing I like are they are dense as a brick. Believe will be double to triple the blunt force weapon of any cell phone since my original Motorola brick phone from 1980's and a few other early portable cells.
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We all know I am a total.creak about batteries and maintaining them. In past hear we have lost two motorcycle batteries due to Battery Tender dying and not knowing on bikes seldom ridden. Now we have this friend.



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Very easy to install, just plug in line between tender and battery plus easy to configure. Have on two least ridden bikes already and more ordered. Street price is just $19 and my wholesale is very reasonable. If you keep boats, motorcycles, cars or other 12v DC stuff on float charge it's a must have. Nothing worse than a dead float charger causing several hundred dollars in batteries to die when for a twenty dollar bill can get alerts sent to your computer and phone or just check status of all batteries when thought crosses your mind. Once other three arrive one is going in experimental use on a large stack of big batteries. If does what I want will order another dozen.
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Rather than drift another thread or start another been doing what can to work, deal with death in family and create for wife while participating in loading equipment and materials headed towards the Gulf. Been monitoring radio traffic while work during day and load trailers at night as having to keep up with some clients needs. We already have res is workers and other first responders coming under fire from gang bangers looting businesses and homes. This is just a weather issue that was predicted and assets in place before made landfall and we have people shooting at each other. If we have a real SHTF national or worldwide event where continuity of government fails what have discussed in the antibiotic thread is being proven right now in Houston and surrounding area.
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Response to questions in ammunition thread.

Discussed how a new projectile was working in the ammunition thread and caught a little flack. Moved my response to the no topic thread. Now all that want to plot on me have some basic idea of the terrain surrounding my home though if used a little Googlefu based on information in my personal website and public tax records anyone that wanted to storm the gates could easily find this and more. It's amazing how many Files members have done a Google Earth flyover of their homes and places of work.

Noticed neighbors on porch and walked over. Asked if noticed the small mess behind house and said yes, assumed a coyote had gotten hold of feral cat during night. Told them I vaporized the big fat ground hog not been able to get a clean shot on in three years since started hunting him specifically. Largest ground hog ever killed and he didn't get that old and fat by being dumb living next door to me. His dens were always in bushes on end of house facing me. Almost every time saw him the house next door was directly behind him or he was at a dead run toward the house and don't take low percentage shots on a moving ground hog in the neighborhood.

Both said had seen fat boy, guy said he has tried half dozen times to shoot him since moved in and never got a round on target. Told them he was just standing on back legs looking around and put a specialty subsonic 308 round on him through a suppressor. Had to hike to house and carry the FAL over and we set up a target in back yard. He fired three rounds and was stunned. Hearing the bullet hit backstop louder than sound of rifle and mechanical movement of action over muzzle blast seemed to be life changing. Wants me to take him to LGS and see if we can get him a can that will fit multiple rifles but he has odd assortment. Most of his rifles are combloc or lever action. Would have to have his AK's rethreaded due to lack of concentric muzzle threads and have one of his 30-30 lever actions threaded and only bolt rifles he has are some sportorized pre WWII vintage european military units might have LGS check on. Suggested he maybe just buy an AR and inexpensive direct thread can but he likes the snap on/snap off design of the AAC.

They said my assumption that till see them on front porch smoking first cigarette of day they are inside house. Also if in back yard will most likely be on Scag mower or using other power equipment. We nailed down pre 8 am shots are fine if have good view of what's behind varmint and to call before squeezing trigger if later in day except for when out of town. Most of his work is in Kentucky and North Louisiana and they come tell us when leaving so can watch their house. He collects antique motorcycles as well and likes fact we keep eye out just in effort to keep ground hogs at bay. Neighbors on either side have them but we don't. Both have asked me to please shoot them if sure of shot like I have told them about deer.

Previous owner in the "other house" was manager of gun shop and indoor range. Shot six deer per year either in his or our yard. New neighbor in that house usually wounds them and has to fire a follow up and track them. Hate it but he doesn't ever shoot toward house. His carport is 75 feet from our bedroom window and he uses 30-06. Most times he shoots about 7:15 on Sunday morning and rolls us out of bed. Wish he would get a can, the previous owner hunted with a can and all our friends that hunt from our deck use cans. Way our houses are loacted in straight line with 100 to 250 yards to Corp of Engineers line in rear can shoot from decks or patios without risk of hitting anything unexpected unless just purely stupid. Gun fire is very regular and wife normally shoots mid day while most neighbors are at work.

For you folks that think this odd would have to see layout of homes and know neighbors. When a new one moves in which is about once every three to five years take them a pair of my home baked pies, introduce wife and self, give them our neighbor and tell them if need help just call and if hear gunfire it's just normal around here.

Give away the farm, burgundy metal roof is mine. Both houses left and both houses right facing road for orientation shoot and fairly often. House with big back green flat yard is my sniping zone. We have a 75 yard range with backstop plus I have multiple bullet traps in my back yard at fenceline.



Zoom out and will see we are a peninsula surrounded by water.



Behind us it's 250 to 300 yards to closest structure and all have safe backstop to keep rounds from crossing Corp Line. Not a bad place to live or protect. Drop or block bridge 1/3 mile north and drop trees across road four houses down and we become an island in a way.
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Getting all my apps moved into the new Kyocera Duraphone Pro's. Thus far the phones are proving tough and neither have locked up or "bricked". Notice many I have the free and the paid version. If the free app is good, always try the upgraded version. Bullet Flight is not worth the $50 but had to buy it to find out. Should have known since dot gov buys it and maker does not have a free version or trial to save my money.

Page of ballistics apps.



Mixed page of timing apps and reloading.



When get all installed use in phones will be a page of ballistics apps for doping shots from premium paid apps to free apps from makers of scopes I us apps. Will be a page of reloading then a third of ballistics charts and power factor calculating apps plus factory ammo information. Strelock Pro is the best of all and cheap.
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Know from Houston to the Florida Keys people are in the hurt locker. About 8:00 pm local after a day of tag team reloading and watching the weather worsen on north side of Atlanta worsen the heavy rain and wind finally took out our power. Got traffic as early as 6:45 pm power in Gwinnett County and about 7:30 that power in White, Habersham and Banks Counties was down. That's north, south, east and west. Disconnected house from grid and pushed the happy switch on the generator and house came back to life. It's now 11:00 am and we are watching 9/11 memorial shows and thanking God we are dry, safe and living as normal except for hum of generator if walk into kitchen.

Wife and I spent the day in reloading room working on ammo. She decided to pilfer all the boxes and organize for me. She found 1,200 once fired boxer primed brass 7.62x39 cases and about 600 Berdan primed brass as well. While she kept organizing brass and discovering boxes of magazines not yet put into long term storage I went to work to check on the place and run the 600 brass x39 cases to boxer primed using a jig have made for the big drill press. Got to end of road of work to discover police had it blocked as crew cleared one of my trees out of the road. Cop leaned in truck and saw the Run-N-Gun kit laying in passenger seat with a bandoleer holding eight spare magazines See below.



He asked what was up with that said whenever power goes down odds of looters go up and would have to pull into parking lot and be face to face with bad guys unprotected. He said a rifle might be better and flipped up passenger seat so he could see the Flaming Pig in police style lock. About same time he noticed passenger seat cover was a front entry multi threat rated vest. Flagged me through and found work fine, modified my cases and locked it down. So now we are watching DVD's, eating microwave popcorn and all is normal for us. Feel for the neighbors but generators cost the same for everyone, just have to want it when you need it and not after its too late. Don't understand not having basics as often as we have power outages from ice storms, tail ends of hurricanes, general storms and cars hitting power poles.Guess need to get to this popcorn and movie...
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Had to run last winter seven straight days on generator. Felt we needed a little more power and was tossing around the idea of getting one tied into our gas line hooked up right to the house. Power goes out, bam generator turns on. So I was looking at a .gov auction and came across a 6500 watt diesel generator. Our max bid put us at $500 after fees. Well we won. After 3 hours tinkering with the fuses, pulling the fuel delivery system clean apart and getting that little 14hp diesel motor running like a champ... find out after hooking the multimeter up to the main line out (bypassing the board) that the lil generator that could was pushing out a whopping 2.1 watts $500, 370lb boat anchor...
Never again will I take a gamble like that. Anyways... Huey, I'm glad you and the missus are comfortable, safe, warm and dry. By the way nice run n gun kit
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Every dot gov generator ever purchased was at auction with inspection period or purchased with intent to part out. Almost every Vietnam Era Air Force generator we bought were used for powering up jet engines and had big Chrysler Hemi engines some used DC electricity, flexible shaft gear drives or pneumatic systems. Only one of the Air Force units we purchased stayed a generator because it put out useable AC electricity but it's mostly used as a display piece at antique equipment shows at present. Eventually it's value for use in a hot rod clone will have to be tapped as it really sucks fuel. Military generators can be odd and unless can inspect and test or cross reference it model and specs to know what have and buy dirt cheap then can risk getting a bad unit or two before getting a good one. Best way to buy military generators are from companies that make their living buying dot gov items in bulk for resale or parting out. These resellers usually are not greedy and allow testing.

I lucked out when very active in Army MARS the Army gave me a Signal Corp generator and two 30 foot crank up towers. One tower rides in cradle on either side and then has a big spool of wire to pull power far enough away from generator it's noise didn't affect field radio operations. Have tried a half dozen time to return it, told it was written off books and can't take it back without huge paperwork hassle. Have letter saying mine to use as see fit. It's going to get pulled off its trailer and pad mounted in second generator shed behind house. Last night we were being careful to not run too many systems at same time as HVAC, refrigerator, freezer, and entertainment center ran full time along with one light upstairs and one downstairs. Beyond that could run microwave, coffee pot, a few other lights but having calculated watts, can't just flip everything on in house indescriminately. Wife asked a lot of questions about the main generator before going to bed. She decided that I should start looking for a bigger unit as when I bought and installed current Generac we had not done any additions, put in the new big central HVAC system, added battery stacks to keep topped off and my system of running majority of systems off the big Generac and topping off batteries with one or both of the small Generac's she wants a new generator that will pull entire house without fear of overloading. She also realizes the current generator though starts first push of the button, purrs for days on end like a kitten it is twenty years old now and run for up to a week once and two to four days during winter ice storm is not uncommon.

Explained to her we have a 10,000 watt generator and the number of watts required for HVAC to run and that it pulls double in start up. Same with freezer and fridge, neither take huge wattage to run but when compressors kick in they take a lot of starting watts and why if HVAC and refrigerator start up at same time we get some light dimming. Told her our current unit has a 12,500 watt surge which when added up systems added and house additions past 20 years leaves us a little short. Told her the big diesel three phase will stop that but will have to Frankenstein a bit. Am under orders to start shopping for a new Generac in the 15,000 watt continuous and 17,500 watt surge with goal of installing inside of 12 months. She wants the current generator left where it is as a backup to the new generator then if want to use to big diesel to set up small neighborhood power grid (should run three houses) could keep friends post SHTF by giving surrounding homes a couple hours electricity per day on rotating system if they played ball on our team. I believe our more dependable neighbors would appreciate a neighborhood grid where half a dozen houses got a few hours electricity per day on rotating basis if they helped supply fuel. Would pull our electricity off that system and our primary systems would only be used for when we absolutely needed it to conserve fuel. 1,000 gallons of propane and 500 gallons of gasoline with a few smaller stashes won't last forever.
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Had to run last winter seven straight days on generator. Felt we needed a little more power and was tossing around the idea of getting one tied into our gas line hooked up right to the house. Power goes out, bam generator turns on. So I was looking at a .gov auction and came across a 6500 watt diesel generator. Our max bid put us at $500 after fees. Well we won. After 3 hours tinkering with the fuses, pulling the fuel delivery system clean apart and getting that little 14hp diesel motor running like a champ... find out after hooking the multimeter up to the main line out (bypassing the board) that the lil generator that could was pushing out a whopping 2.1 watts $500, 370lb boat anchor...
Never again will I take a gamble like that. Anyways... Huey, I'm glad you and the missus are comfortable, safe, warm and dry. By the way nice run n gun kit
Just thinking about your generator. Most of mine throttle down and output power based on load asked of it. Did you try to put a load on it and see what happened. A 1,200 watt hair dryer is a good test unit to ask a generator to spool up and it's $19 to replace if smoke it. Also it's hard to measure total wattage output using a standard multimeter. A cheap 1,000 watt to 1,500 watt microwave oven is good to use testing a generator. Have a fair idea of actual load it pulls, plug up and insert probes of mutimeter. Watch voltage as hit power button, if hair dryer or microwave power up and run and voltage doesn't drop/sag much then your own right track to a generator to put in service. 6,500 watts is small to use for whole house unless heat with wood or fuel oil. 10,000 watts is minimum for most small houses and ran math for friend recently (has 3,800 s.f. house plus basement with two HVAC systems, two kitchens and six bedrooms) to discover to just run his mandatory systems desired he needed 25,000 watts with 35,000 watt surge if both HVAC systems started at same time.

A Generac 5802 portable at 10,000 watt continuous with 12,000 watt surge can be purchased for under $2,000 then add a trifuel kit for $250 to hook to your natural gas, propane or run on gasoline, just turn a knob. Does your house have a disconnect at meter base so don't back feed into grid and kill a power worker plus loose a lot of your power trying to light up neighbors homes? A disconnect is best but can pull or flip mains at top of panel if want to skip this expense. I like being able to isolate my house from grid when choose at the flip of a switch on side of house.
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So we plugged in an angle grinder into every plug ouutlet on the generator and got nada, ziltch, nothing. Checked the breaker on the panel for continuity and the breaker was good. Pulled the pannel off to test the wires coming into the breaker on the panel and thats where we got the reading of 2.1 watts. I havent junked it yet, I was thinking of talking to a geneator repair guy to see what he says. I like your idea of the 10,00 watt generac w/ the tri-fuel kit. I am going to look into that. When we do decide to install I am going to have my buddy who is an electrician install a disconnect at my meter because that seems to be the right wat to do it. Hopefully this will all come together before the snow gets here. Word onn the street is that it'll be another winter like the last... 700 inches of snow
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Don't know about your neck of the woods will have to pull an electrical permit to add the disconnect as goes between the meter and pole. Basically replace your meter base with new base that has a big 200 or 250 amp breaker. I would not mention whole house generator in scope of work as they may dig way deep into your system requiring expensive dedicated transfer switches and subpanel plus imstallation. I can show you with photos from my system and quite a few others have installed how to wire generator into your breaker panel if have room for a 240 volt 60 amp breaker. It's 100% safe, reliable and inexpensive. Save you $1,000 on transfer switches. If have room for a pair of two gang breakers then put two 240 volt 40 amp breakers and not pull all your power through one. This is the current model of generator we are using now but an older version.



You could step up to a 15,000 watt continuous run Generac 15000E for $2,500 and have even more headroom. If knew square footage of house, basic list of appliances and size/type of HVAC system could calculate watts. I like an industrial portable that can move if necessary. Add tri-fuel system to either the 10,000 or 15,000 watt versions you may not be able to run every system in house but all critical systems plus watch DVD's and eat microwave popcorn. We are back on generator after having power from about sunrise 5:45 am till 8:30 am and house went dark then heard the big generator throttle up at the Hall County Emergency Management/911 Center. That close can hear their generator so if world goes so sideways have to become a government man to survive reason I keep my relationship with them active.

Our system and most I have installed you flip emergency disconnect to separate from grid. (Can use mains but I prefer now power surges as they work on stuff and more damage occurs hitting my mains in top of panel) Then turn on fuel to generator and pressure start button. Let it warm for half a minute, turn off choke and turn on "auto idle", come back inside and kill mains then flip breakers that feed generator into panel. That gives me two disconnects between live panel, generator and house. The $1,000 to $1,500 saved on transfer switches and subpanel is more money can spend in generator. If want it all to happen automatically without your input then still go with Generac dedicated whole house system. In the 25 years have been installing generators for people if they ignored me and bought anything other than Generac or Onan to save money they always had problems. I don't want to be depending on a Chinese Harbor Freight generator when life sucks if it quits working. Also why have backup generators home and work.

Just fixed wife and I some lunch and going to ride by work and check it out. We have made huge progress reloading and organizing. Wife removed anvils from 2,000 large rifle primers all total so have good stock of short Berdan primers for loading 7.62×39. I pushed through 1,200 40 Smith rounds, 1,000 6.8 spc II with 90 grain Speer TNT's after wife ran all projectiles through bullet pointing die. Decapping 7.62 NATO Berdan cases now with intent to load 10,000 rounds of 155 grain bullets into my best once fired Berdan cases. In good rifle this load shoots sub 1 MOA and in FAL shoots as well as the FAL lob it from can. Lots like this put 1/2 back for SHTF inventory and rest is for use when shoot places can't recover my brass. Hate to sacrifice Boxer primed cases so try to always take Berdan to places where they don't allow people to wander around policing up brass as they want it for club members.
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Had doctors appointments till lunch today. Went in to work to see if had power yet (not yet, being only three phase customer on the road is not helpful when power company is deciding which jobs takes precidence) and found two friends on my list with tickets to the party running chain saws cleaning up downed trees best they could till GA Power shows up. They ran me off so came home to find my neighbors had cut up all the debris in our yard and were loading last of it on a trailer to pitch in the big hole we throw dead ground hogs and coyote. Never asked anyone for help, intended to do myself as spent yesterday putting sharp chains on my pole saw, big farm saw and prepping other tools. To have work and house done out of people's just being decent gives me hope that if the world turns inside out, a few of us might actually work together for the good of the hive.

Broke my own rule and loaned out my two small household backup generators as neighbors began worrying about loosing food in freezer second day without power. It told me first they had freezers of food stored and turns out they were the ones cleaning up at the house today. They had each come over second day without power and asked if able to cobble together enough drop cords if o.k. to plug up just their freezers. Just wanted to borrow a cup of electricity not a truckload. Handed each a 2,000 watt generator, said not to overload the small machines, if breaker trips have exceeded it's capacity and unplug something. Asked them to please use my fuel as it's all ethanol free and don't like ethanol in my machines. We got power back for good as of 06:00 this morning. GA Power sent texts saying should not be any more intermittent outages as work on other areas downstream.

One of the guys cleaning up at shop I had installed his whole house generator three years ago as a favor. Been friends almost 30 years and helped each other forever. He lives in neighborhood with very small lots and I oversized his generator because I know how he is and got a text from him Saturday saying two of his neighbors had their refrigerators plugged into his generator and wold it hurt it? Put a 20,000 watt machine in for him and we built as soundproof of a generator enclosure we could due to proximity of neighbors. Temperatures were nice so wasn't having to run HVAC much and stretching two drop cords didn't impact his needs. Amazing how so many pull together, others go help strangers just to help while others rape, pillage and loot. We need some serious shoot looters on sight laws and people that will pull the trigger. Every event each community would have a gene pool purge of criminals. The three families have mentioned would be a problem were knocking on doors asking for food and the grocery store was open with food on shelves. My guess is they figured folks were sucker for a sob story and some were. I made note of those that gave them food and put on my list of ignorant neighbors. Reason these people were out of food is they sell their food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar then get food from food banks and all the local food banks closed during worst of weather. During small and moderate emergencies watch neighbors close before, during and after. Will give you insight as to how they will behave when SHTF.
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We got our power back Monday but people less than a mile from us on side branches off main line are still out of power as my business still is. Am at work now and running off my three phase diesel but cant run entire shop. a computer or two, half the lights, one big piece of equipment and a small piece or two. Would not dare try to run the 8"x50"x100" CNC router as requires three phase 30,000 rpm spindle motor and controller, three phase 28 horsepower vacuum hold down, 30 horsepower three phase air compressor and 220 volt single phase dust collection system along with a stable computer all at the same time so my key money making piece of equipment is down and since I am the only three phase customer on street and all the single phase customers are on-line, Ga Power says likely be next week before they get to my business.

This morning one of the houses less than a mile from me went up in flames. saw the smoke heard no sirens. Stepped in my firefighters boots, pulled up my Nomex pants, pulled on Nomex shirt, suspenders over shoulders and pulled on my firefighters coat. Grabbed my Nomex balaclava, helmet, gloves and two biggest fire extinguishers in garage and sprinted toward my little red truck. Turned out in road and could hear sirens in the distance. Turned out of drive, went 1/3 mile, quick right, quick left and went past house careful not to block fire hydrant or access and jumped out pulling on hood, gloves and helmet. As getting extinguishers out of the back of the truck realized unless was told there was a kid trapped the house was toast and I wasn't going to be of any help. Their landlines wee down and local cell towers are all loopy going down as much as staying up on north side of county.

Started walking as two first responder vehicles rolled in Code 3. Captain in an SUV and advance fast response unit that started dragging a 2" Kevlar hose to hydrant and hooking to small outlet saving the big holes for the big pumpers that were in route. I had got to residents before F.D. and asked if anyone was inside to which they said no, everyone was out. 30 seconds later they were telling the first responder that calls in for additional resources as needed and assumes control. While the two man team were spraying water on closest neighbors house and Captain called in all his codes after questioning the victims asked me who I was. Said just a neighbor who saw smoke and heard no sirens. Said didn't recognize markings on my coat and said it was personal and part of upgraded kit from when used to be a volunteer firefighter in next county. Was told they were writing this house off as a total loss and bringing in crews to keep neighbors houses form catching but at present with nobody inside was too hot and too involved to even throw water at till it burned down some more as would just be risking me to put them close.

Cause of fire??? Refueling a generator while still hot and spilled some gas. Shut it down but didn't let it cool. I am guilty of same thing in fact, when run on gas I usually refuel while still running rather than let generator run out of fuel. Now we don't switch to gasoline until propane runs out or choose to burn gasoline. We have a big ABC generator inside and outside on corner of generator shed plus big extinguisher on wall as exit rear door. Before installed tri-fuel kit would always put on my Nomex hood, coat and gloves, wife would do the same and she would stand back about ten feet with extinguisher while I poured fuel.

In our basement panic room we both have a full firefighters turnout kit from Nomex underwear to outerwear and long-johns if winter. We both have same upstairs in bedroom in case wake up to find house burning down around us, can be in our boots, pants, coat, balaclava, gloves and helmet in under a minute. Could easily be the difference between getting out alive or not. Every room of house has two extinguishers. A high dollar Halon, Hallitron 2 or Dupont FE-36 plus and ABC. the expensive extinguishers are to try and stop a fife while saving contents and the ABC are for fighting our way out knowing there is another in next room, don't be stingy and keep spraying. Trapped in a fire is one of my worst nightmares. In our panic room have a fire fighters rescue saw with rescue chain for cutting through wood, nails, drywall and most construction debris including light metal. if tornado drops house on top of us and smell smoke and not waiting for 911 to come cut my @$$ out of a burning house in a storm. Not doing it in flip-flops and pajamas either. May have pajamas on under my turn out wear but outer layer will be fireproof, heat shielded, padded and thick.

Friday local EMA announced if winds were in excess of 50 mph they would only send out ambulances and fire trucks on a case by case judgment call. If were gusting hard enough to flip high wind profile vehicles citizens were on their own so stay at home and be careful. Might get any response to a wreck, fire or medical call. Also even if operating system could get overloaded and with phones going down could still not make all runs due to people not being able to call or shortage of equipment and manpower. I went out to bush near our water meter, turned on main underground valve that feeds the 2.5" standpipe, attached our 2" Kevlar hose and uncoiled it till reached around back of house to far corner of house where generator is located. If generator or anything else caused a fire wife and I would pull on our turn out gear and she would head for ball valve lever at standpipe while I went for fighting end of hose. If fire went up during generator refuel or maintenance, we would already be dressed out waste up and wife would hold hose after dumping her extinguisher and a second one while I ran for the valve.

When the SHTF, do you have the clothing and equipment to fight a fire? I just upgraded our coats off fleabay a year ago for $50 each to some nice clean surplus units from a volunteer department upgrade. All our gloves and suck were bought new on the cheap from Air Force surplus for refueling planes and such. All of our camouflage is Nomex as well. During outage less than 30 minutes after we fired generator wife and I practiced getting out of a chair and into our upstairs gear three times and then went to panic room and practiced getting fully outfitted in downstairs firefighters gear three times. As long as house was on generator we wore Nomex socks and fatigues. Made it easy if needed to step into boots just like sit in a fire house then pull up pants, secure suspenders, pull on balaclava, coat, helmet and gloves. We could both do it in under a minute with change. Did notice that one set of our balaclavas were showing some age so ordered a pair of Majestic PAC II Nomex Firefighting Hoods for $52 shipped. Having your head on fire would double suck. About once a year I upgrade one piece of our gear or add something we didn't have before. Start now and in five years should have a coat, balaclava, gloves, boots, pants and helmet for everyone in the family.

May never need them but watching the houses burn locally past week area has been on generators and burning candles, camp stoves, oil lamps, etc can say for sure at least a couple houses a day that I can see the smoke on the horizon and hear the calls go out on the scanner know there is another home where people would have paid big money to have a turn out kit and fire fighting equipment. We either knock it down fast, are still fighting when F.D. shows up or escape with our lives and are trying to spray water when F.D. shows up. I could have a new truck for what have invested in total fire prevention and fighting equipment but figure keeping my house from burning is more important than a new truck every four years.
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Just had knock on door at work, ask if generator isolated from grid and said yes. GA Power suit & tie man in parking lot with independent tree cutting crew, truck driving/work uniformed company supervisor and said had a lineman crew on way. Suit was upset about discovering my initial call about dangerous situation (live wire on ground under a fallen tree) came in last Saturday and my business is less than a mile from GA Power work facility where all trucks for area dispatch from. I called yesterday about lunch to re-report a dangerous situation (neighborhood kids duck under gate when soccer ball gets away and live three phase feed on ground needed to at least be shut off) and suit called me late yesterday and asked where we were. Said turn left out of their drive, go 1/2 mile, turn right and 200 yards on left. He was stunned. Came in this morning to make sure put back online today as said unreasonable for commercial account to go over a week without power almost within site of their yard. Especially with live wire on ground.

Talked to him about how wanted to upgrade from WW II era Delta Y three phase and said he didn't realize still any Delta Y left in area. Showed him my existing panel and the new panel/disconnect/breakers/conduit and all needed to upgrade the building had been sitting in corner over a decade. Asked why not swapped and said called twice, engineer came out and said I would have to pay for three new transformers on pole since only three phase customer on street to tune of $7,000 first request and $9,000 second request. He said transformers had to be 50 years old or more and told him they were old and rusty when purchased building in 1985. He said all he has to do is confirm PCB's in oil and they would pick up the tab so may finally get modern three phase that doesn't confuse most electricians these days as many have never worked on Delta Y system. Said he is staying on site and will personally cross reference my transformers once line crew gets here.

Walked around back and asked how much diesel the three phase generator had burned in a week and told him had not checked tank as didn't want to know. Fuel company will send bill, accountant will pay and I don't have to be upset seeing the numbers. I have not opened a letter from IRS or any state/federal tax division in 25 years as usually they made mistake, say I owe four or five figures, would flip out just to have accountant make a phone call and get the dot gov people to correct their computer glitch. Decided not worth dying of heart attack or stroke opening such letters and bills so like the song says "I have accountants, pay for it all. They say I'm crazy but I have a have a good time. I'm just looking for clues at the scene of the crime. Life's been good to me so far..." Anything from dot gov goes in the envelope and somebody opens it and makes it go away if there is an issue. Funny thing is every audit ever been through was either dead solid perfect or dot gov owed me money as auditor said we failed to write something questionable off.

GA Power suit and field supervisor (both from out of this district but pulled in to help with mitigation as still people out of power and local crews overwhelmed) walked around shop and found the indoor range interesting but said better not be shooting on the clock when asked if wanted to bust some caps. Looking at my equipment and generator asked how I had run some of my stuff and said I didn't. Can run air compressor (240 volt three phase 30 horsepower plus 220 volt single phase aftercooler), welders (only one at a time) and not compressor and welder at same time or my CNC router as required 28 H.P. vacuum, compressor, dust collection and would not carry that much load. Ran half the lights, two computers and one big tool and one small tool at a time. Also some printers not willing to run off generator as frequency varies a bit based on load. Didn't want to smoke a five figure printer.

Toured the radio room and were impressed still on batteries eight days after power went down. The radios I think blew their mind more than anything else and told them did emergency communications for different groups and handled a few shifts passing traffic out of Harvey and some Florida traffic if heard a request though still doing more Harvey comms than Irma. Sad but through all this and after the Katrina event and Louisiana has least organized response and mitigation of anyone else. So now am sitting and surfing net on tablet. Started to load truck and go on the road but they want to check power at my panel when done as have a potential issue with the neutral wire.

The Delta Y had a GA Power engineer and field supervisor scratching their heads when I killed generator and hit big lever in disconnect. Even with wire under tree building has power but if touch light switch, conduit or anything metal with electricity get a mild shock. They were double confused about what the big beer keg looking device above panel was and told them was an independent thermal actuated fire suppression system. If electrical panel overheats and breakers start burning it pops and hopefully squashes the fire. Pointed out Halon systems over expensive equipment and other Stat-X systems over paint lockers and welders. Explained the Dupont FE-36 hand helds at each end of CNC router, CO2 hand held extinguishers at welders and manual machine equipment, Halitron 2 at generator and battery stacks and all the ABC as code calls for x number of ABC of specific size per square feet and the $500 to $1,000 good units don't meet code as so few people use outside of marine and aircraft industry only federal agencies really concern themselves with such. Both nice guys, seemed genuinely interested and concerned plus the front reception area with book shelves of Bibles and signs saying "free take one or more" then telling them whenever their crews working in walking distance of shop I go offer them Bibles for trucks they took handful to put in some of the trucks working me now. Have found a lot of guys that work with line voltage/amperage power that requires genetic swabs to determine which gobs of goo belong to which worker if screw up belive in Jesus. The supervisor was serious as said 20 years as lineman before becoming supervisor only God could have kept him alive some days on the job. We discussed home generators and number of structure fires past week, burn and electrocution victims plus how fragile the grid really is. They said I was one of few people outside of industry they had heard discuss knowledge that electricity was a luxury that could go away in the blink of an eye.
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Guy in suit left just before I made last post, supervisor said looks like everything is good as tree guys had placed "men working" signs, backed chipper truck in fence, had outriggers for bucket truck on ground, had helmets on and saws warming up and line crew was dropping outriggers out at the pole where the three phase transformers sit. Supervisor got a call about another commercial client in Clayton, asked both crews if they had all the resources needed and said yes and told me would prefer me to go inside or if wanted to eat lunch didn't want a "civilian" in the work zone. Came in shop, decided could use time to run to paint store, parts store and Lowes while power was down.

Just got back to office and everybody is gone, tree is still on wire, wire is still hot. They had three trucks, chipper running, saws running and outriggers down when pulled out of lot to run do my chores and in matter of 35 minutes the entire circus packed up and left town with the ticket money and no show for the kids. Luckily the suit and the supervisor gave me their cell phone numbers and said to call if had any issues. Just got off phone with suit and he called supervisor before I could. Super called me and if a person can turn inside-out he just did. Said he hasn't been home in over a week and till all his priority commercial sites are cleared he can't go home and is almost to Clayton for what he hoped was his last job and chance of getting back home tonight so able to go to church tomorrow. My guess is heads are rolling unless some really good excuse was not tendered.

Eight days without power and less than a mile from the repair and construction dispatch yard... It's almost funny, guess better me than some old person with medical issues like a friend who has his grandmother because her house is still out of service and oxygen generator doesn't run without power. How could a family allow grandma who lives alone and requires life critical medical equipment not have backup power? When dad got sick the family split the cost of an automatic whole house system for him and mom. What if weather had been bad enough they could not have gotten over the river and through the woods to grandmothers house even with a one horse open sleigh? I just don't understand people not being prepared so the shop is back on generator till figure out what the heck is up.

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Less than an hour after calling the guy in the suit and getting a call from the field supervisor it looked like the Big Red One was rolling in on my location. Trucks scattered every direction, saws started running, power guys started working o wires and in under 20 minutes they were gone and I have power. And now that I have power realize my count of days is off as all of my cellular devices are telling me the wrong day and date. its only been six days without power here at work and was two full days at home plus on and off the third day. Still plenty of people out but every hour getting texts or calls from friends and family that live out in the hills saying their power just came back. Maybe its about over for this event. Wife and I have been looking back at how much time over the past decade we have been out of power and on generator and its been surprising. Especially at work in the middle of town. Power company emergency crews have a tendency to put the single phase back up on this street and forget there is a lone three phase customer till I b!tch and moan for a week.
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Got home from work today to see wife's spare Nomex firefighting coat in front of one of the motorcycles.



Asked her what was up and said she had rolled all the bikes out and fired them up, let them get above 200° head temperature to make sure any moisture that had been hydroscopically absorbed into the oil was boiled out as she has learned to use a non contact thermometer and check head, exhaust and crankcase temperatures. While all our dipsticks have oil temperature gauges and normally would assume when needle came into green was warm, those dipstick dial gauges are not known for accuracy so we always have a non contact laser thermometer. She said been quite a while since a couple of the older bikes had been cranked so she expected them to puke oil, spit and sputter as is normal for 40 to 70 year old Harley's. If it doesn't bleed if isn't alive and why I wonder about the late model Road King as it doesn't drip anything but water if park after riding in the rain. Said she put on the firefighters coat and had a Halon fire extinguisher sitting in the midst of bikes in case one of the older ones puked a big wad of oil and it got hot or backfired through the carb. Just gotta love old motorcycles that spit, sputter, leak, backfire and catch on fire when their cranked as well as riding down the road. Wife is a hoot when she gets to worrying about her bikes, guess it's time for me to service them all so she just worries about riding.

What's odd is she decided to pull out her B grade Nomex coat and balaclava on the same day mail delivered two new firefighters balaclavas today. During hurricane and doing our drills we always do when go to generator power on getting in our upstairs "A" grade and downstairs "B" grade firefighters turn out gear noticed the downstairs Nomex balaclavas were looking frayed so ordered up some new.





So now we have a nice crisp new Nomex hood so our heads don't catch on fire if trying to save the house or escape with our lives. If your wife has long hair like mine does, better realize how flammable it is and your the one that has to look at her and put up with her for the rest of her life if head is nothing but nasty skin grafts where her hair used to be. I have long hair too and even if didn't if involved in a fire if can protect your head and upper body have a darn big start to surviving with minimum damage. What is one more coat with a set of Nomex gloves and hood in the closet or for us a little closer? House fires are common enough, odds go way up during bad weather and power outages plus some of us store things an average home doesn't have.

Thus far have read of fatal house fires in a few mile radius of our home during the hurricane spin out from tipped over candles, generators, oil lamps, cooking on grills on decks or under carports, power surges and spikes as power went off or came back on, falling trees and more. When weather gets bad, people resort to half @$$ tools to mitigate lack of utilities it's easy to let one thing get away and suddenly your in the middle of a fire. What are you going to do if it happens right now where your sitting? Do you have a fire extinguisher close, in the same room, opposite end of house or not at all? Do you have another in case it doesn't knock down the fire and need another to clear an escape path? Do you have smoke alarms to wake you if sleeping and fire starts? When have my triple filtered BiPap ASV mask on at night it's going to take a lot of smoke to wake me. Odds are as smoke alarm pops and dive for the turn out gear and extinguisher monitoring station is already dispatching F.D. if their operating or not overwhelmed. $35 for a good used coat, $25 per new hood and $20 for Nomex gloves adds up to $80 per person for fire fighting and escape wear. Fire is more likely than an armed intruder and what have most of us spent to mitigate that scenario?
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