The FAL Files  

Go Back   The FAL Files > Discussion Forums > Gear & Accessories

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old November 10, 2012, 17:50   #1
Jpanzer
Registered
 
Jpanzer's Avatar
 
FALaholic #: 53708
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Georgia, C.S.A.
Posts: 622
Swiss M90 rucksack?

Greetings. I have a small yet handy little rucksack I bought from Numrich a couple of years ago. This rucksack has been commonly referred to as the Swiss M90 ruck, though whether that is correct or not I don't know:



These are pretty easy to find all over the web, and most have had surplus Austrian or German Y-straps added to their backside to carry them by:



Mine however came in its original configuration, which has a square webbing yoke affixed to the back to serve as an attachment to something else. I think it was meant to add to a larger pack, but haven't been able to find anything about the Swiss? M90 system or it's components. Does anyone have any info on where to find out more about this item as it was originally issued?

I like it's small size and ruggedness, and would like to have the main pack it mates with or find out a way to actually add some functional shoulder straps to it. Any help would be appreciated...
Jpanzer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 11, 2012, 22:55   #2
Jpanzer
Registered
 
Jpanzer's Avatar
 
FALaholic #: 53708
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Georgia, C.S.A.
Posts: 622
Here is how the back of my rucksack looks:



I've been able to find the backpack that is the some of the same gear:





Haven't been able to determine if the ruck interfaces with the pack since I don't have the pack.
Curious about the entire set of this gear, and would love to know more about it. I have been able to find ammo pouches as well, but no webbing or yoke that would attach all this together...

Jpanzer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 12, 2012, 22:44   #3
GRUMPY
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 1534
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: georgia, usa
Posts: 188
Here is some info on the Grundtrageinheit 90 and Kampfbekleidung 90 (search these on the web):



GRUMPY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 13, 2012, 00:54   #4
BC
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 752
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: cc
Posts: 2,849
The Swiss load bearing system is almost like the British PLCE 90.

GRUMPY, what are the four pouches from left to right?

Jpanzer, the double pouch can be attached to either side of the large backpack. I could be wrong, but I think I saw a picture of such.
BC is online now   Reply With Quote
Old November 13, 2012, 04:23   #5
Jpanzer
Registered
 
Jpanzer's Avatar
 
FALaholic #: 53708
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Georgia, C.S.A.
Posts: 622
AWESOME INFO GUYS! Just what I was hoping to find. Now off to research...

I knew the FAL FILES wouldn't let me down!
Jpanzer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 13, 2012, 22:46   #6
BC
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 752
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: cc
Posts: 2,849
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jpanzer View Post
I have been able to find ammo pouches as well, but no webbing or yoke that would attach all this together...
I'd love to buy some ammo pouches, if you know where to. But, those double pouches are not ammo pouches.
BC is online now   Reply With Quote
Old November 13, 2012, 23:59   #7
GRUMPY
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 1534
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: georgia, usa
Posts: 188
I don't know all of intended use the pouches. Most I have seen are of a general utility nature. The ammo pouches seem to be for 4 mags each on edge. I have a large .pdf from the Armee CH if someone can tell me how to post? Or I can email.
GRUMPY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 14, 2012, 00:09   #8
BC
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 752
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: cc
Posts: 2,849
Which pouch is the ammo pouch? I don't think the double kidney pouch is the ammo pouch.
BC is online now   Reply With Quote
Old November 14, 2012, 03:21   #9
Jpanzer
Registered
 
Jpanzer's Avatar
 
FALaholic #: 53708
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Georgia, C.S.A.
Posts: 622
I would love to have a document of some kind explaining the use of each component and more important the assembly of said components onto the yoke base or onto each other.

BC, all I have been able to find so far on those pouches are they are sort of a general purpose pouch, able to carry six SIG mags in each pouch.

When worn in this configuration it looks feasible to me:


A schematic or sketch showing the assembly of these items would go a long way towards all these questions up...

This pic shows what I assume to be the complete rig, again the squarish pouches look to be used as ammo pouches:


I don't think these are the same pouches as the large ones in the pic of the female soldier on back of her rucksack. The ones I've seen for sale appear to be the smallish "ammo" type pouches.

But at this point, it's all speculation by me until I can find out more info...

Last edited by Jpanzer; November 14, 2012 at 03:34.
Jpanzer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 14, 2012, 04:09   #10
Jpanzer
Registered
 
Jpanzer's Avatar
 
FALaholic #: 53708
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Georgia, C.S.A.
Posts: 622
Also found this:




Loose translation of the components (thanks to Google translate):


1 Yoke
2 belt
3 stabilization belt
4 mounting straps
5 Helmet attachment hooks
6 pocket (with insert) for NBC protective mask (it is a tab for the bayonet
and being removed thanks to quick fasteners)
7 ammo pouches, when not used for ammunition or special equipment they
can be used for the hearing protection device, or a flashlight.
8 Field Flask Bag
9 bayonet mount on the yoke part (used in remote pocket for NBC protective
mask or on the orders of superiors used)
10 bayonet mount on the waist belt (used in remote pocket for NBC protective mask or on the orders of superiors used)
Jpanzer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 14, 2012, 07:11   #11
BC
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 752
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: cc
Posts: 2,849
6 pocket (with insert) for NBC protective mask (it is a tab for the bayonet
and being removed thanks to quick fasteners)

This is the gas mask pouch. The bayonet is also attached to it.

7 ammo pouches, when not used for ammunition or special equipment they
can be used for the hearing protection device, or a flashlight.

Since these pouches are really meant for the magazines, let's call them mag pouch to avoid any confusion.

8 Field Flask Bag

This is the canteen pouch.
BC is online now   Reply With Quote
Old November 14, 2012, 07:20   #12
BC
Registered
 
FALaholic #: 752
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: cc
Posts: 2,849
Jpanzer, are we talking about these for holding 6 mags in each pocket?



They are different pouches.

BC is online now   Reply With Quote
Old November 14, 2012, 15:25   #13
Jpanzer
Registered
 
Jpanzer's Avatar
 
FALaholic #: 53708
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Georgia, C.S.A.
Posts: 622
BC, I think you are correct. Double checking on the ones I've found for sale they seem to come in attached pairs, not separate like the mag pouches on that soldier pic.

Keep Shooting is selling what they call a (Swiss Combat 2 -pack) and they are clearly not back packs of any sort.

Though these are separate, the strap leads me to believe maybe this is the gas mask pouch in a 2 pack, not a ammo pouch?
Jpanzer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old November 17, 2012, 02:30   #14
Jpanzer
Registered
 
Jpanzer's Avatar
 
FALaholic #: 53708
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Georgia, C.S.A.
Posts: 622
Found a web site where you can supposedly buy the components of the Grundtrageinheit 90 system. This web site is in Switzerland and is: http://www.green-store.ch/

I have placed a order for the the back pack support straps for my rucksack, we shall see how it goes.

Most parts of the gear are relatively affordable, but they want 46.58 USD PER ammo pouch, and that ain't gonna happen from me! This is before shipping cost, which I fear will be through the roof even for small items. They do have some pretty neat gear for sale, though it's a shame the exchange rate isn't better between the Swiss Franc and US Dollars...

Last edited by Jpanzer; November 17, 2012 at 16:17.
Jpanzer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 04, 2012, 17:03   #15
Jpanzer
Registered
 
Jpanzer's Avatar
 
FALaholic #: 53708
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Georgia, C.S.A.
Posts: 622
Got the straps for the small rucksack today. http://www.green-store.ch/ came through, although shipping from Switzerland was kinda steep. They are simple shoulder straps that clip on to existing buckles on the ruck, enabling you to utilize it independent from other gear. Don't know how it will work with a heavy load, but at least the ruck is now usable. Should be good for a day hike or short overnight trip.

Anyway, thought some might be interested that the company I ordered from IS legit...
Jpanzer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 04, 2012, 19:03   #16
NEWFNL1A1
Registered
Bronze Contributor
 
NEWFNL1A1's Avatar
 
FALaholic #: 43401
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Tx
Posts: 3,980
I got one of these rucksacks off eBay for around 30 bucks...decent little bag...thanks for the thread!
__________________
Neo-Luddite - Traigo Mi Cuarenta y Cinco - Inch Guy
I'm just a peckerwood who lives in the hills with too many hours on Call of Duty.
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/smoke/cigar-smoker.gif
"Hell, Jack...the only thing worse than a politician is a child molester" - Sheriff Hank Pearson, Extreme Prejudice - (1987)
NEWFNL1A1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old December 04, 2012, 23:03   #17
Jpanzer
Registered
 
Jpanzer's Avatar
 
FALaholic #: 53708
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Georgia, C.S.A.
Posts: 622
Quote:
Originally Posted by NEWFNL1A1 View Post
I got one of these rucksacks off eBay for around 30 bucks...decent little bag...thanks for the thread!
You're welcome!
Jpanzer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 23:00.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
©1998-2012 The FAL Files