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Old May 01, 2012, 11:57   #101
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The epoxy will shrink when it cures. I'd recommend that you skim coat a thin layer of epoxy on top of what you've got and re-bed the receiver. Clean the existing epoxy with water, to remove the amine blush, before prepping the surface with acetone and applying more epoxy.

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Old May 05, 2012, 13:21   #102
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Just back from the range. I had the chance to shot just few rounds with match configuration at 300 meter and I'm pretty happy.

The first 5 shots (highlighted in yellow) showed a significant shift of the zero suggesting that the bedding is exercising some influence.

I shot the last 17 rounds without any further adjustment, just to see how it works. The theoretical score is 184/200, Billabong's best since ever. I'm pretty sure that providing I do my part we can be competitive


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Old May 05, 2012, 14:19   #103
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The best strategy I was able to plan to eliminate the rear upper play is a laser/epoxy bedding.
There is a tool for expanding the sides of the lower receiver to obtain a tighter fit.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316936

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Old May 21, 2012, 03:24   #104
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Yesterday we had the 2nd NM in Carrara on Versilia coast , another beautiful place.


Once again the weather has been miserable, heavy rain all the week end.

Billabong scored 2nd with just the same score (but with one X less) of the winner and present Italian Champion of group 3



I shot 4 consecutive "8" and it's all my fault since I simply forgot the very strong grip that Billa apparently likes the most.

Lessons learnt:
- Epoxy bedding seems to work well,
- the heavy .308 is not really effected by heavy rain, at least at 300 m
- I was scared to ruin the bedding so I didn't clean the barrel or the action during the least weeks. The FAL can handle this without any problem with normal gas valve setting.
- In this configuration Billa really enjoys a very very firm grip.
- the wide rear aperture is a very good asset during grey rainy days. Considering the long sight radius it don't bother that much.

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Old May 22, 2012, 08:59   #105
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This Guy should write a book, suggesting title;"THE NEW FAL BIBLE". You have presented more information as to the practical improvement of the FAL platform than, I think since the gun was developed! But I'm just a Noob.
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Old June 10, 2012, 13:56   #106
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I'm just back fro the 3rd NM held this week end in the small village of Codogno, south east of Milan.
Finally crystal clear sky and no wind.

This time I wrote on my score board to hold very firmly and I didn't forget it!





Yes! Billabong won the Match with 190/200 duplicating the Italian Record set 2 years ago by Angelo Arienti with a TRW M14



Long life to out FALs

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Old June 10, 2012, 14:40   #107
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Congratulations, Paulo. Excellent shooting, both you and Billabong.

I see a family member shot in 7th place. Please say hi to Valeria from a cousin in the USA.

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Old June 10, 2012, 15:36   #108
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Old June 10, 2012, 15:38   #109
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Congratulations! It's good to see all of your work pay off!!
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Old June 10, 2012, 17:19   #110
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Old June 10, 2012, 17:50   #111
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All right! Congratulations to you and Billabong!!!!!

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Old June 10, 2012, 17:55   #112
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9 ring = 20 cm so that's 19 of 20 in a 2.6 moa circle at 300 yds with open sights. Awesome!

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Old June 12, 2012, 21:20   #113
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Congrats!

Great Job, Congratulations on your shooting!

I see lots of FALs and STG58s in the top 10
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Old June 13, 2012, 04:12   #114
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Thank you very very much, I'll do my best to defend the good name of FAL Files.

Yes in our group 3 (semiautos up to 1970) there are quite a lot of FALs. Most of the fall shooters think that the average mechanic and barrel quality of an Austrian made by Steyr is higher then an average imperial.


Personally I do not think that the steel handguards make any good to the barrel dynamic, but of course I do not have any evidence that this is true, but they are very well assembled.

During the last two championships all the top shooters had an Israeli FAL that I found simply awful . but they performed really well.

Its heavy barrel is theoretically a plus even if my friend Derrick Martins of Accuracy Speaks says that bullets don't know barrel weight.

We have some few M1/M14, one is shot by my team mate, friend and FAL member Slo Cat's cousin Valeria. This rifle has first class sights and I can't understand why it's not more popular here. One reason is that it's pretty expensive here, in the range of 1300/1500 € vs. 600€ of Billabong.

Another fine rifle that should be much much more present at the highest level of the score board is the STGW 57

Yes, it's ugly but if you will have the luck to have a close look to this gun you will see an esquisite piece of mechanic. It is designed and machined just like a luxury swiss watch. Apparently none of the shooter have been able so far to duplicate the very accurate Swiss Army loads and the scores achieved so far do not make justice to this fine (and expensive) machine.

I've never seen a Vietnam era AR15 that in my opinion could perform pretty well. The very few available here (Malesian contract) are not really in competitive conditions.

Also Garands are pretty rare.

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Absolutely awesome thread.....


Thank you paolo!!!!
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Old June 14, 2012, 14:47   #116
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Excellent thread. Gives me alot of ideas for the new builds I am starting.
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Old June 14, 2012, 20:21   #117
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Old July 02, 2012, 05:41   #118
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Yesterday we has the 4th tournament of our NM in Somma Lombardo. The star of the day was my friend Giorgio and his Israeli FAL that scored 190, 5x, new Italian Record since ever ! Billa did third with 185 and I'm pretty happy.

The updated ranking after 4 tournaments is:

1) Paolo's Billa 725
2) Cesare's Israeli 722
3) Giorgio's Israeli 721
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Three s are in pole position!

The last two matches of the season will be in September and October. The games are still open!
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Old July 09, 2012, 13:13   #120
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Hi everybody. I'm taking advantage of the summer break for some maintenance and some further development.

There is something in the way the hammer strikes the firing pin extension that I do not like that much.
Can anybody check for me the value of the distance d with bolt assembly in ready to fire conditions?

Thank you very much.

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Can anybody check for me the value of the distance d with bolt assembly in ready to fire conditions?
I get a measurement of 5.85mm on my British L1A1 and 5.87mm on the Aussie (which has less wear). Hope this helps.

Thanks for a great thread!
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Something I've had come to mind...since you obviously don't want to open up the action on a rifle like this any more than necessary, once it's zeroed and shooting right, how do you keep the inner workings lubed and clean?
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No, actually I clean the barrel and the action every 4 shooting sessions (about 160 rounds). I didn't see any shift of the point of impact so far.

I keep the bedding under close control and most likely I will "refresh" it soon. As expected I doesn't look to last long.

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I cannot believe I missed this thread somehow! Very well done, sir - and thank you for taking the time to post so many details and descriptions. I may have to try bedding my lug and TMH now.
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Show us how it went and let us know if that improves your group.
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Old September 17, 2012, 08:03   #126
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Yesterday we had the next to last match in Caprino Veronese close to the Garda lake. 3 top competitors scored 183/200 (two FAL and one M14) in a very difficult match against the sun.
After the count of the "X" and "10" Billabong has been named the winner .

The championship is still open and the final in Revere will be decisive. So far the score is:
1) Paolo's Billabong: 558/9 (points/Xring)
2) Cesare's Israeli HB FAl: 557/6
3) Giorgio's Israeli HB FAL: 555/11
Everything can still happens.

I had a couple of minutes of panic because at the very beginning of the tournament Billa refused to bang. I was sure I had a broken firing pin. Lucky enough I was able to field strip the bolt check that everything looked fine and reassemble the rifle. It worked ok for the rest of the match, but I was not able to identify the problem. I definitely need to find out more even if I have the suspect it's something about the last photo posted here.

Stay tuned.

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very happy for you!! ive enjoyed reading this along the way, congrats so far and good luck in the future!
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Old October 18, 2012, 23:17   #128
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Superb info. Paolo does what we all wish we had the time or resources to do.

Paolo, thank you!
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We have finally the official score board of the last National Match in Revere and the final results of the 2012 Championship. The winner and Italian Champion 2012 is Cesare with his Israeli HB FAL with 741 point. Billabong is 2nd with .... 740 points.

The team of the city of Milan (Cesare A., Cesare N. and myself) is the Italian Champion Iron Sights Team 2012.

I'm preparing a "Lesson Learnt" list about competitive Fals

In the meantime I would like to thank very very much the readers of this long thread for their support and they great suggestions.
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This is a great thread. Looking forward to that list!
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Old November 02, 2012, 22:28   #131
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Good Evening Paolo,
This has been a most educational thread! I would like to try the trigger return spring replacement you detailed in post #36. Would you please let me know what size the music wire you used is?

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Hey Tony, the music wire I used is 1.00 mm

However a friend ask me to think about a new system to reset the trigger by a conventional coiled spring. I'm making some test right now but I think I could find the final configuration and fire test it in a couple of weeks. If you do not hear from me send me a PM to remind and I'll post here my findings.

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Old November 04, 2012, 01:08   #133
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Watching eagerly. This is all fascinating!
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Old November 11, 2012, 13:10   #134
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Paolo,

Is Cesare's Israeli HB FAL in the squad machine gun configuration (FALO)? The FALO shoots from bipods. It weights considerably more than anything else in the match.
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Yes BC, it's like this:

It was not very common up to a couple of years ago. Today it's "quite" easy to find a good Israeli FAL for about 1500€ that is about twice the cost of regular Fal (StGw are a little bit more expensive).
There were no HB FAL in our championship before 2011. I would say that all the shooters of HB FAL have replaced the original bipod with a Harris in order to keep the rifle closer to the ground.

Apparently a gun trader here in Italy will receive soon a lot of M16A1, export contract (no US Govmt. marking). He says they are brand new, unfired (?). I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them next year in the match.

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Old November 21, 2012, 08:42   #136
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Left to right: Gabriele (H&R M14), Paolo (FAL Billa), Cesare (Israeli FAL), Cesare (Israeli FAL).


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I finally have the time to come back to this long thread about the few “lessons learned” that I’ve promised to share with you. I would like to begin with some thoughts about the “hardware” and the key points (in my opinion) that can make the difference. This is my list.

1) Reliability, reliability and reliability again. I would like to stress this point because I keep on seeing here very good and accurate rifles not performing so well in term of reliability and a failure on the shooting line can ruin your week-end. At the end of the day we shoot military rifle and their first and utmost performance is to go bang every time we pull the trigger. Luckily enough our FALs usually excel in this compartment. Proper gas valve setting, good extractor and a magazine in good shape are the best warranty for trouble free operation. Just remember that ALL your reloaded ammos shall pass the headspace gauge test. It’s of paramount importance in any semiauto.
2) Bedding the rear side of the lower has been the single modification that made the largest improvement in accuracy. It’s not about receivers tightness, it just about sights tightness!
3) The flash hider has been found not true with the barrel axis and I’m sure it badly effected the accuracy.
4) Muzzle crow is never a bad idea, but I can’t say how much it improved things.
5) Eliminating plays at the rear sight didn’t improve the ballistic accuracy of my FAL, but it’s a very important asset to make the target much bigger. Also, misoperating the windage screws under the stress of competition can cost you a lot of points. A white felt pent marks are a cheap and effective insurance. Same for the front sight.
6) A smooth trigger, with a small overtravel won’t make your rifle shooting any better, but it will also make the target bigger. Do not trade trigger weight versus its reliability and your safety. A clean trigger pull of 2 kilos is just fine for this rifle.
7) I’ve never noticed any “first round syndrome” but I always try to never run my magazine empty (you never know).
8) Despite it’s standard barrel profile I’ve never experience point of impact shift due to the increasing barrel temperature. Apparently 23 rounds in a match of 25 minutes do not represent any problem.
9) Tightening the pivot screw didn’t make things any better (at least in my experience)
10) Headspace and cartridge free bore are extremely important as far as safe is concerned and every FAL shooter should know and check them routinely.

Hope this can be of help.
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Thank you

Great stuff here, I really want to accurize a Fal, I'm thinking my Israeli Clone would be the best candidate as my L1a1 is the most "correct" and barrel is better on the Israeli.

Most of all thank you Paolo for this thread!
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Yes BC, it's like this:

It was not very common up to a couple of years ago. Today it's "quite" easy to find a good Israeli FAL for about 1500€ that is about twice the cost of regular Fal (StGw are a little bit more expensive).
There were no HB FAL in our championship before 2011. I would say that all the shooters of HB FAL have replaced the original bipod with a Harris in order to keep the rifle closer to the ground.

Apparently a gun trader here in Italy will receive soon a lot of M16A1, export contract (no US Govmt. marking). He says they are brand new, unfired (?). I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them next year in the match.

isn't that Izzy a romat? looks like a light barrel. by the way, love reading your thread, now I want to build a Aussie
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Oh yes you are right! This is the HB
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THANK YOU FOR SHARING WITH US.

I will be going back and forth fairly regularly from Hungary and the USA.

I so want to get a L1A1 in Hungary and compete along your side.
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How did I miss this thread for an entire year?!

Great thread, Paolo - thank you very much for your time and your practical insights. This will help me a bunch.

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I too dont know how i missed this thread!!!
alot of great info... thank you Paolo for sharing all your info!!!
if you ever have a chance to come to alaska you have a place to come and shoot!!!

https://sites.google.com/site/21milegun/home

we have some loaner rifles you can use same with extra gear!!!

Grazie Paolo per tutte le informazioni che grande avete pubblicato e tra l'altro .. la molla nuovo trigger avete maggiori informazioni?
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I first want to apologize for not being able to come back to this thread earlier but the last months have been professionally very busy and I simply didn't have time for anything. Last time I shoot my FAL has been in December 2012 (!!!) and now I have just 2 weeks before the begin of the National Match 2013.

As promised long ago I would like to share with you a new configuration for the trigger spring that a friend of mine ask me to develop because he didn't feel comfortable with the building of the "special" trigger return spring and he needs also an easier way to manage the trigger overtravel.

The modification is actually very simple but you need to TIG weld a small steel extension on the left side of the rigger. The purpose of this extension is to house a regular coiled spring on its tip and adjust its preload with a little screw. The FAL lower has plenty of room in the left side of the trigger assembly and it's not difficult at all to install this modification even on those (lucky) guns equipped with safety sear.



There is a trick about the adjusting screw. It's a very wise idea to remove some of the threads and machine a kind of stem that will keep the spring in position and will work as a pilot for the spring itself while pulling the trigger. If you want you can arrange the lenght of the stem so that it will be your trigger stop just after the hammer has been release.
It's a trial and error process but I'm sure you will find the perfect configuration (trigger pull, trigger over-travel) pretty easily.



Do not forget to Loctite and grease the assembly. On my friend's FAL it has been so far very reliable and pretty efficient.
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if you ever have a chance to come to alaska you have a place to come and shoot!!!

https://sites.google.com/site/21milegun/home

I would really love that!!! Thanks! You never know,maybe one day. World is getting such a small place.
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Thank you Paolo !!!
Will have to wait till I get back to Alaska... Im in Texas right now...
Have a spare lower that I will use for testing... for sure will have to find someone to do the welding and the taping.... dont have the tools
Good Luck at the Nationals this year and keep us posted!

Oh by the way Condor German Airlines have some good deals to fly to Alaska!!!
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Last weekend we had the first NM 2013 in the small village of Colle Val d'Elsa in Chiuanti. A breathtaking place!! We stay at a 500 years old B&B.

It you will have the chance to travel here you definitely have to spend a couple of days in this part of Italy.

The match went very well for Billa who won with 189/200 and also Angelino (my Italian - American AR15) won its division

Here is Doris, Italian Champion in charge, group 10 (bolt action rifles with no limitation at all) celebrating Billabong and myself wearing Clack Kent glasses.



WARNING LAPUA Brasses: my friend Giorgio and I both have a batch of new Lapua Match shells that out of the box can't hold the bullet in place. It has happened to 3 shells out of 100 in .308 and 5 out of 100 in .223. We never resize brand new shell, but we will surely do that from now. My AR blew two primers probably because the bullet went into the case during feeding.

Stay tuned.

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complimenti! Io sono italiano, la mia famiglia è da lì. Ho avuto modo di andare a visitare li a pochi anni fa. vivono a nord di Venezia, in una città chiamata Eraclea. questo un grande filo iniziare. mantenere il buon lavoro!
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Eraclea questo è la casa per la Laggon della spiaggia Morti e bellissima e quasi 4 miglia di lunghezza.
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Eraclea questo è la casa per la Laggon della spiaggia Morti e bellissima e quasi 4 miglia di lunghezza.

Sono andato a fare il bagno nel mare Adriatico molto quando ero lì, ma non ho potuto vedere la laguna. sei mai stato lì?
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